Fullfact has investigated the claim that Spain would veto an independent Scotland's application for full EU membership to be bogus.
https://fullfact.org/bbcqt/2017/Mar/16
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
Madame May will not allow a Scottish referendumuntil Brexit has been completed.....so sayeth the U.K. 'Rags' today.
Brexit negotiations are due to be completed within 18 months, when the terms are put to the other 27 EU Nations to be voted on, so the deal will be known, substantially at least, by September 2019. There is no need to wait until Brexit is completed and the UK is out of the EU......we just need to wait until it is clear what the negotiations have produced.
I cannot get my head around Scotland exiting. If they were Monte Carlo or some exotic place with a certain appeal, I could see it.
Was in Inverness when the last referendum was happening and a guy with a canoe was paddling up and down the River with a large YES sign!
I don't think he does.
W.A.T.P.
Here's the thing...... no matter what political side you are on, everything is about to change throughout the UK. There is no longer a status quo. Even most of the arguments from the last Scottish referendum have changed. So, the question now is..... who do you trust to lead us into the future? You have the choice of May or Sturgeon. That's it.
I personally know who I trust with my future, and it certainly isn't a Tory government based in Westminster.
But the UK is taking a leap off a cliff with Brexit except it wasn't blind or on faith. The rest of the UK knew exactly what the consequences were to the economy and they said it was just scaremongering and they voted for Brexit for reasons which most of us feel are absurd. The vast majority of economists, business leaders, scientists, social groups and politicians etc warned that Brexit would be damaging and the crows are now coming home to roost.
I think the people of Scotland are waking up to the reality that their country is not safe in the hands of a majority of voters in England that do not share their own social values. Once we do not have that shared interest then the Union of GB is finished.
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
I do not live in Scotland but return regularly to the North....
Yes we should be proud of whom we are....
Years ago I used to fly into Prestwick Airport and on the walls were pictures and descriptions of those Scots who did great things around the World. We had more successful people per Capita than any other Country!
But Scotland is populated by 5 million people....England is 50 million.
It is the Economy I think about and if we split can we go it on our own...Oil is being depleted rapidly in the North East and in addition the prices crashed and methinks the prices are on their way down again. Yes we have Wind farms but as I said on another thread they will become unaffordable, and they won't have many people on Windmills.
With the present set up when joined as the United Kingdom, Scotland gets bits and pieces. I am sure much more than would apportioned in a 1 to 10 ratio. So where are the revenues to come from? You think the ecenomy is bad now.....and the healthcare system......
I have watched the issues of separation over the years.....and have yet to read/ hear anything that would make it a feasible proposition.....I read that Air Bases are closing....how about the employment with the Trident issue.....like it or not it is a pay check which is/was then spent in the local economy, as is the good money that was taken in from North Sea oil....
In my opinion and others, The European Union is in it's last 10 years. They live on debt , each Country owing the other....That is called a Ponzi scheme......recently there was a documentary on the Brussels HQ. Quite a bureaucracy, and unaffordable..
I dunno....someone do the Math....just my thoughts....
Last edited by The Horseman; 19-Mar-17 at 17:47.
Either way we are out of Europe
in 2014 we voted as a nation to remain as part of the U.K. as such we go with the U.K. democratic decisions
W.A.T.P.
I have more political interest in where we are going to instead of where we have come from. I believe that people who live in a country should have sovereignty over that country. Localism usually works best. I see the UK as a means of control for Scotland but as a means to exploit the resources for another. The UK wanted out of the EU because it wants its sovereignty back, but that was really England and Wales speaking, Brexit was a referendum on English and Welsh independence. Scotland didn't vote for Brexit. Scotland isn't even getting the powers from the EU back. If Theresa May had assured Scotland that powers on agriculture and fisheries were coming to Holyrood then she could have killed the referendum dead but she hasn't. She is a centralist from Westminster, they do not like to give powers away.
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
I shall be over in 6 weeks and I shall give you my expert opinion after that.......haha
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