buggyracer;609874]so why has the Govt not tried to ban the outright culling of foxes? to me it seems the only way this can be stopped?
I never said that there isn't a need for culling of Foxes. I daresay that in some areas there may be this need, although does anyone know what the Fox population has to reach to actually be deemed necessary to cull? And/or why?
Foxes maybe more of a nuisance in inner cities now than they ever were but this doesn't necessarily suggest an increase in population. To me it suggests that we have developed more and more of their habitat that they have little other choice.
Farmers don't like Foxes because they may prey on livestock but does this mean it is right to cull them? Not in my opinion it doesn't.
Do you honestly believe the only way to cull a Fox is to chase it down out numbered and tear it to shreds?
There are many marksmen that are more than able to take down a Fox with one shot from a rifle. The kill is much more swift and humane.
Wonder how long it will be before we cull the Fox to near extinction? May seem an unlikely outcome right now but we thought that about many species at one point or another.
The reason many people will stand against a Hunting ban is because it has become a way of life for many many people, not because they think it is the right way to keep the Fox population down.
Also many people stand against it simply because they don't like the idea of yet another civil liberty being taken away from them. They do not care about the ethics behind any of it.
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nor did i say you did.
the law of culling foxes doesnt care for your opinion, i have seen first hand the damage caused by a fox with a taste for livestock, in this case they need culled.
i have stated before on the "rabbiting" thread, a marksman does have some degree of error, heck even military snipers dont hit there target everytime with a clean kill, a dog on the other hand either makes a catch or doesnt, and if the rabbit or fox is fit and healthy it stands more than a good chance of making its escape!
Trust me a fox is far too cunning and numbers to many to allow that to happen, they are one of the most increadable wild animals to inhabit this isle!
why should the voice of a few overule the many?
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In any debate situation just because someone's opinion differs from your own does not make them wrong or justifies the name calling and questioning of their moral value, we should be more tollerant of opinions and not ram them down the throats of others. I personally respect those who would not participate in hunting on horseback if they feel strongly about it, but struggle to feel for the objectors who attack and prevent the hunts. The short and long of it for me is as a country person I would like to regain the right to choose, surely that is what folk want in most situations not to be told what we can and can't do? I know there is no hunt locally but if there was one I would turn out and support it and have my kids ride out with the hunt too. This doesn't make me a blood thirsty savage. On the subject of hunting on horseback...are we having a Caithness boxing day hunt? (mock of course)
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If you can't handle being called something that is an apt description, tough.
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Are urban foxes culled at all, and if so, how? (Haven't seen the cavalry complete with baying hounds charging down an English high street at full throttle.)
Looks like there's a few ruffled feathers on here.....must be a fox about
The fox population in urban areas has come about because of the easy pickings to be had. As far as 'loss of habitat' accounting for their appearance in our towns - I don't think this is a good argument. Foxes aren't daft, they'll go where the free meal is.
Talking to the older end in Caithness who have worked the land all their lives, it would appear that there has never been as many foxes in the Far North as there is now. The damage they can do to lambs can be quite substantial, however, fencing isn't a viable option in most situations because of the huge areas that would need to be covered. Not only that, foxes are quick to dig under obstacles when they need to.
As for some of the comments made on here about 'Toffs' and tight fisted farmers...well, there's nothing like a wildly inaccurate sterotype to give the ill-informed something to focus on.......
Certainly the Foxhound packs in the North of England are manly foot packs. And most of them have 'working' class' (hate to use a ridiculous 'class' description, but it fits, I suppose) roots. In the Holme and Colne Valleys of West Yorkshire, the millworkers had their own packs and were sometimes given the Saturday off so they could hunt. So hardly wealthy landowning and banking types, are they?
Is it cruel? Personally, I'd sooner see them shot. But there y'go.
I have no problem with people being anti-foxhunting, but it's suprising how many times references to perceived wealth and status are chucked in by the Anti mob. More to do with social division and plebs having a chip on their shoulder about money and land, methinks, rather than being 'onside' with Reynard.....
BTW 'Ignoramus' isn't an insult, it's a perfectly acceptable way of describing someone who talks about a subject upon which they have little, or ill-informed, knowledge. If you speak from a position of ignorance - you are an Ignoramus. Fact.
MrsK has put up no insult, if people do not understand the meaning of a certain word, then it is hardly fair to berate the person using it, is it?
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