Forgive me if I'm wrong, but surely Fox is Republican leaning?
Personally, I think Obama would be a dreadful Prez, and McCain less so. Although the presence of Biden has made me more comfortable with the Democrats.
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"Race" for the White House
Is there anyone else in the race for the Presidency of the United States of America? I ask because the only news I see on this subject involves Obama, the only speeches I see broadcast are by Obama or supporters of Obama. Anyone in the USA care to give their perspective on this? I regularly skip between Sky News, Fox News, Al Jazeera International and BBC World – but have seen nothing of the McCain campaign. If it were the other way around I am sure there are those who would be shouting about discrimination.
'Cause if my eyes don't deceive me,
There's something going wrong around here
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but surely Fox is Republican leaning?
Personally, I think Obama would be a dreadful Prez, and McCain less so. Although the presence of Biden has made me more comfortable with the Democrats.
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Would this be the same fox news that tried to do a hatchet Job on Obama?
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Fox News/Sky News they are basically the same - all I am saying is that I have not seen a speech or heard anything from McCain, and I am sure that he has a campaign.
'Cause if my eyes don't deceive me,
There's something going wrong around here
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Having seen American broadcasts of Fox (which have to be to be believed), I assume there's a watered-down tranmission for international consumption, just as al-Jaz tones down its rhetoric in English.
Pro-McCain coverage is going on where it matters; American voters. Whomever wins, I have a feeling is going to be a one-term President.
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Scotsboy, I'm not American and I pretty much stick to BBC and CNN news and Justin Webb (latter obviously very pro-Obama), but you're right - it's all Obama. When I did a search for McCain, I had trouble spelling his name ........... which tells me a great deal.Originally Posted by scotsboy
I've not listened to last night's speech, not having 45 minutes to spare right now, but having trawled the US news just now, it looks like he's pulled it off, inspite of the "Temple of the Anointed One" background and doing it on the anniversary of Dr MLK Jr's "I Have a Dream." I don't think he's playing the race card - only an idiot would think that would work. He's playing the youth and JFK cards because McCain's biggest bugbear is his age. If he's elected without having to play a religion card my opinion of the US will rise considerably.
What I do get (unfortunately) is emails from the States that slag Obama off very very viciously. I bin them but wish I'd kept the latest for you so you can see McCain supporters are alive and well. Only thing I can remember skimming on this last was that Obama's not even really black but Middle Eastern, his ancestors were slave-owners bla bla bla, Muslims will take over US if he gets in, Christians should pray for rain at democratic nomination. Real crackpot stuff.
Obama's made a very wise move choosing Biden. We'll hear more of McCain when he announces his running mate etc.
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I laughed when BBC News 24 described Biden as "critical of the Iraq war". Let's forget the fact it's over, Biden in fact supported it and has a son about to be posted there. But don't let that get in the way of a steely attempt to deny reality.Obama's made a very wise move choosing Biden.
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Agree. And I have a feeling we'll be seeing more of Mrs. Clinton in 2012.
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God I hope not. Has Monica got a brother?
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If McCain wins. I can't think of more than one instance of an incumbent declining/loosing the nomination. With the general air even now, the cries of "racism" would become deafening with any suggestion that Obama step down.
Personally, my dream ticket would be Biden and Petreus, although runing against each other would be delicious.
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Why did Petreus call Biden a bead rattler?
'Cause if my eyes don't deceive me,
There's something going wrong around here
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I'm fairly sure there should be comma there, Scotsboy. Also, less about McCain's age. His mother's sharp as a tack.
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Nah, no comma, but my grammar goes into lazy mode on messageboards. I think it should have read:
Why? Did Petreus call Biden a bead rattler?
'Cause if my eyes don't deceive me,
There's something going wrong around here
.Orger
Sorry - that's what I meant.
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I Think if Obama wins, it'll will be great for the World. he's a breath of fresh air through american politics. He's an excellent speaker and seems to have an audience in the palm of his hand. The only problem would be America's weird and wonderful white supremicists(who are still holed out in the mountains awaiting "the war"). They can have a big influence, just look at the numpties who were planning to assisinate him!. There must be trailer parks throughout the country with duke, luke and little missie may worrying about "that there black man ruling our country",as they cant tell the difference between OSAMA and OBAMA!! With people like them making a sizable portion of the electorate, he needs alot of support, but he seems to be getting it, I for one hope he does.
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Thank, alas, is it, and does not negate his casual acquaintence with the truth, complete lack of any experience in executive power (even McCain, hardly inspiring, has over 25 years at Capitol level) and, to name but one skeleton in the closet, a race-baiting pastor who, had he been McCain's confident, would have sunk him.He's an excellent speaker and seems to have an audience in the palm of his hand.
In the words of Biden, the US Presidency does not lend itself to on-the-job training.
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Still like him and think he's good for the world and has more potential than McCain!
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IMHO, Obama has charisma coming out of every pore and has the media eating out of his hand, but he has very little substance beyond that. Ms Clinton might not have the same charisma but she does have the substance. What does this say about Americans who want a figurehead with no back up plan.
With only the media to inform me I know almost nothing about McCain but he does appear to be the all American white boy, the type who normally gets into the white house. Re his politics or anything about him, I know practically nothing.
I personally would like a black president if only to wind up the folks in the deep south. They will be spitting feathers if it actually happens.
Spring has sprung, the grass is ris', I wonder where the birdies is, the birdies is on d' wing, now thats absurd, everyone knows d' wing is on d' bird
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Will she be in the Olympics too?
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That's funny, because I think he's a vacuous media creation whose perception of himself and his supporters of him is best summed-up by the Obama Temple and who, if elected, would prove himself to be the President which Kennedy would have been had he not been whacked. And that ain't a compliment.
Which is what McCain appears to have done by appointing the ex-Python as his Veep. Love BBC News 24 first impressions: she has a son about to serve in Iraq. Don't recall that being emphasised about Biden.
I've always got the impression that inter-marriage in Southern states was much more fluid than the prim and proper North, especially rural areas. It was hardly rosy for poor whites (not least because, antebellum, there was at least a supposed... and often enacted... duty of food and board, whilst freemen, such as Irish who'd fled the Famine were on their own).I personally would like a black president if only to wind up the folks in the deep south. They will be spitting feathers if it actually happens.
The first two black US Senators represented Mississippi during the early Reconstruction for the Republicans. The first popular vote of one came almost 100 years later, albeit Massachuetts but still Republican (this was before the two parties went topsy-turvy).
Only one other individual to serve as Senator and to be described as being descended from slaves (although many will have served). Similar patterns exists for Congressmen. The first were during the Reconstruction, and all Republican. It took 60 years before the Democrats and Northern states started electing them, and then not with sufficient keen-ness to suggest whites were voting themselves.
The first state governor defined as African American was, again, a Southern state, in 1989. But, c'mon, depending on the light he looks like McCain!
That ain't fair. He's got a brother who lives on a dollar a day.I know almost nothing about McCain but he does appear to be the all American white boy, the type who normally gets into the white house.
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