Are you referring to the churches and female bishops, or is your point wider than that? Sorry, I'm a little slow today and very unclear as to what you mean by "the old order". :)Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
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Are you referring to the churches and female bishops, or is your point wider than that? Sorry, I'm a little slow today and very unclear as to what you mean by "the old order". :)Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
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Originally Posted by canuck
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Originally Posted by sjwahwah
this is hardly what I meant by my post. I mean how do people around the world who are under much suffering and living in fear NOT anticipate gloom and doom and how do they just be happy and positive. it might be simply said in Canada, "ya ay"?.. you don't have all that much to worry about until the North American Union of course and then you'll get your new world order.Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
some weigh up what's happened though history AND what is going on presently and don't see too many avenues of hope for ourselves or our children here or elsewhere on this planet in future unless we do a little more than positive thinking today. I'm not saying myself nor anyone has "hope" of course we do... or we would not be motivated to do anything.... but, everybody has their choice... ignore what's going on or just think well it doesn't effect me directly so I'll just be happy and positive about everything and it will turn out all right for me. that's called denial and lack of empathy. but, I think a little more than that needs to be done and I don't think we can afford to wait around for our politicians to do it.
my point was if we can not raise awareness and fix what's right today... what will the future be like???
but, tying in with the thread is what is going on NOW... nuclear weapons being used in the middle east right now in Lebanon and Iraq.. on civilians, soldiers, women, children.. even babies!!! In Iraq the depleted uranium radiation equals that of 250,000 Nagasaki bombs! After the last Gulf war they report 67% of children that are born in the former battle regions are born with some type of birth defect from all the depleted uranium WE used over there and continue to do so now... what isn't gloomy about that and what will these childrens lives be like in future? btw... Canada is the LARGEST exporter of uranium.
No, I was refering to the wider world. (I know the church system, I live in the church system.) I meant the way the world organizes itself for the good of all the world. That order worked once (I know that is debatable, but lets pretend that it functioned). Yet the structures and the forms once put in place for people and nations to relate to one another just don't work now. In our passion to protect that which once was, hoping if we do the old stuff better that we will be okay, we loose the good things emerging. All of our energies and resources go to supporting an old way that just doesn't work anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by j4bberw0ck
I know that the word oil is seen as the reason for Bush's foreign policy. Rather, I think that the administration is trying desparately to protect the old order. Oil just makes a nice public face to work behind.
We really do get off topic don't we? I suppose that is the beauty of such a free flowing form of communication. The thread started with a discussion around Enola Gay. The world has changed in 61 years because of that project. And the world will continue to change until we can live in peace.
It was the doom and gloomsters of the org that I was meaning back there.Quote:
Originally Posted by sjwahwah
Yes, I know that Canada is the largest exporter of uranium.
Yes I freely admit to being a gloom and doomster. The past and present does not create much hope for anyone's future and instead of getting better with increased awareness it seems to be getting worse. I am a realist who, although he retains a degree of hope, does not give our children much of a chance on a planet that has gone past the point of no return. Look after your own backyard, keep your own kharma clean and maybe you'll have a chance at the next stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
Agree wi' ye Gleber 2.Bring yir kids up in the best way ye can and the future looks bright.There is a lot of good things left in this world and the kids will bring it through that we all have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gleber2
Its very deep this thread has turned from its original from pultneytooner,but it has still opened my eyes from diffirent peoples perspectives.
The thread has changed and evolved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cedric
It's just like a normal conversation, thread drift is cool by me.:)
Pultneytooner,yer true in what ye say.The best thing of this forum of ours is at the start ye might be talkin aboot one thing but the end aboot another.Quote:
Originally Posted by pultneytooner
I feel sometimes that folk get banned for nothing and others get away wi' onythin':lol:
Have you ever been on a course on managing your emotions? They're really good. They cover the psychology of distress, and they help you to understand when and why you use expressions like "deal with it", and what's going on inside your brain when you classify others as childish. They teach you what to eat to stay healthy and be calm and cool all the time. I can thoroughly recommend one in Glasgow if you're interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by j4bberw0ck
You've gotten me confused. Are you claiming to know about employment law or the glamour industry?Quote:
Originally Posted by j4bberw0ck
I think you might be misunderstanding what I'm saying. Preparation of ground by XY's isn't what's needed here. The pressure from change needs to come from the XX's inside the oppressed communities.Quote:
Originally Posted by j4bberw0ck
I think this thread has evolved too far now. We went from bombs to psychology via sexism and other bad stuff.
Cedric, are we reading the same words from Gleber2? I don't understand him as you do at all. Maybe his plea "to not be misunderstood" got through to you, but it sure didn't get through to me. An XY thing I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cedric
Gleber2 I don't agree with you as I read you. Nothing new in that statement. Should I ever change my mind, I'll make sure that you are the first to know. But don't keep the light on waiting for that day.
Canuck,I'm not an XY.I m a guy in Caithness trying to bring up my kids,with Obiron,to make them appreciate the best things in life.To appreciate the best in all life and to see the good in their days.Their too young now to see if it matters but a few years down the line I know I'm gonnae be proud of them!!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by canuck
You are correct JAWS, thank you. I did the googling and indeed New World Order does convey something very different from what I was getting at.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAWS
Yes, I agree. But what you suggest is so foreign to the way the world works now that much work will be necessary to achieve an inner liberation that is effective for the whole of society.Quote:
Originally Posted by gleeber
And I totally agree with you. I just don't see how what you have written is the same thing that Gleber2 is saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cedric
Crikey sjwahwah, I know that massaging of data is an important part of an activist's armoury, but do you really not understand the difference between a conventional explosive in a depleted-uranium tin can with a pointy nose and a nuclear explosion? Get a lesson quick girl or you'll be ripped to shrapnel by anyone with an ounce of understanding of the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by sjwahwah
Where's szin when he's needed?
I quoted one of Gleber2 posts,not what he had said before.Sometimes I agree and sometimes not.If an orger says something I relate to then I will reply.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by canuck
the radiation crayola.. the amount of radiation?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by crayola
and besides we've had this conversation with ex-Army already... see depleted uranium munitions thread. Ex-Army had nae clue as to even what was in the munitions he was using as far as I could make out and and what he says he does know he ain't tellin... that answers my questions. look up Dr. Doug Rokke.
:eek: Radiation - Nuclear -Atomic - Grrrrrrrrrr8 STUFF!
Lets face it where would we be without it !
Thurso and indeed Caithness wouldn't be what it is today.
Orgers would be talking about sheep , tatties 'n' turnips !
Thank you for your concern. What a lovely start to the morning! Someone who cares! http://www.teddies.be/Forum/images/smiles/taetschel.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by crayola
Sorry. Actually I was referring to the experience of finding oneself in a job, and marginalised in some way - and of dealing with it. Oh rats, there's that expression again. Terribly sorry. Deep breathing, all together now, one................ two.................. http://www.teddies.be/Forum/images/smiles/undwech.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by crayola
Glebers last post takes us to the heart (and soul) of the problem that concerns all of us when atomic warfare is mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
Ever since archeologists unearthed the first burial chamber, it has become apparent that human beings belief in Gods and afterlife has been around for a long time.
Not only does Gleber use his vision to see the future but he also uses it to suggest there are other levels of existance where his actions in this life will be taken into account in the next. Does that notion ring any bells?
The doom scenario, "the end of the world is nigh" is recorded in every holy book since the beginning of time. Its a human trait which has become more probable, ever since the blast that obliterated Hiroshima occured 60 years ago.
There's a certain inevitability in Glebers post, and although I see a similar inevitability Canucks posts, although she's more hopeful, I suspect both scenarios are powered by the personal religious beliefs they both hold.
That doesnt mean it's going to happen though.
My own faith lies in the goodness of the human animal to overcome the challenges before us.
Freud opened a door over 100 years ago and that door wont shut even though some of you think he was a fraud or barking up the wrong tree. He was warped and egotistical in his contact with people but his idea that the individual is a series of unconscious, as well as conscious drives and instincts is beyond dispute.
Its easier to replace those deep and dark motives hiding in the corners of our personalities with some religion or God rather than delve and become aware of the things that make us how we are.
Einstien explained the outside world and we all see the power that is released when his ideas are taken seriously.
Freud believed his new science would equip the individual to tackle the world in a different way. I think he may have been right.
PS. Freud had an "end of the world is nigh" thing too. He called it the death instinct.;)
I'd add to that only the word "ingenuity". Well said, gleeber.Quote:
Originally Posted by gleeber