Cameron and co. get their wish to bomb syria. So lets get this straight, since the referendum, Scotland has been landed with: A government that makes Thatcher's era look moderate. Austerity cuts that are crippling the poorest in our country. Trident renewal against our wishes. Job losses on a massive scale , despite promises to the contrary to fool people to vote no. Now we are getting draged into another war despite the fact that 57 of the 59 MP's voted against it. If you voted no and this does not tell you that you have made a dreadful mistake , then I feel sorry for you, it is obvious that you are suffering from mental slavery and a severe case of inferiority complex. Time to grow a backbone and end this nonsense once and for all.
The no vote was democracy in action as was the yes vote to attack Syria.
Where is the problem?
last I heard we were part of the uk so the vote was democratic and fair
Off the 57 snp,mp's how many did not have the backbone to actually vote for what they thought ? !!!
Were they permitted a free vote?
Yes. Let's get it straight, because you rarely do. Let's explore your statements SINCE THE REFERENDUM..............
No decision has been made on trident renewal.
No we're not. We were already bombing ISIS is Iraq. Now we're bombing them accross the border in Syria. Nothing has changed.
We don't have 59 MP's. We have 650. That is because we voted NO to independence.
And the majority of those 650 who voted, voted YES to bombing ISIS.
Democracy.
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; Nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.
- Charles de Gaulle
Ok if we had voted yes then it would because we had been duped and lied to...oil...its not a bonus.... and SNP fiscal figures on oil revenues are out by 6,000% as we speak ............not 5 / 10 / 15% but 6,000% : a yes vote would mean Scotland would now be totally screwed or maybe you fall into the camp of " so what at least we would be free"
WHat pirate ship are you on................independance costings were based on SNP figures of $110 a barrel and yer right of course as eveyone now knows oil is volatile and always will be which is why the figures were laughed at first time round, at $43.84 per barrel ( brent ) as of today the SNP forecast is out by 6000% so what would plug the fiscal gap, what other commodities can plug the gap ?? .....you are in complete denial, still at least you can sail off in yer pirate ship with the rest of yer pirates eh ? The emphasis on oil is because oil / tax revenues were to contribute to funding an indy scotland as declared by the SNP and secondly if you cannot see that the low oil price is hammering north east scotland then you are blind. Before you start......Oil price fluctuations are not the sole responsibility of the SNP, they would hit and are hitting any government in power during the price crash.
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Had Scotland voted Yes to independence, it would now be looking at oil revenues of £1.25bn instead of £6.9bn in 2016-17 — its first year as a new country — while facing a deficit of close to 6 per cent of national income, compared with a UK forecast of 2.1 per cent.
Professor Alexander Kemp of the University of Aberdeen said an oil price below $70 a barrel in the longer term would damage prospects for future Scottish oil extraction ( ITS NOW $43 ) . He forecast the lower price would mean the number of probable new oilfields over the next 35 years would more than halve from 188 to 85. “Clearly, tax revenues will come right down,” he added. read the rest yerself http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d97d49ce-8...#axzz3tMlwCXVV ALso in an independent Scotland, oil price collapses would wipe 15% from the planned public expenditure budget. That sort of uncertainty would cause huge challenges, in planning, budgeting, and in proving to the banks that Scotland is a viable risk. The only way to manage an economy with such volatility at its core would be to have huge reserves to carry it through which Scotland doesnt have ( certainly blame previous labour and tory governments for not building a Norwegain sytle oil stash but theres nowt we can do about it ) ! Can you not see now why oil plays a big part in Scotlands finances, we do have a diversified economy Im not denying that, but its not strong enough to withstand such a price collapse in oil prices, thats why you arent getting indy 2 now or at any time, until prices pick up ( if ever ) cos they wouldnt have the money !
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Hold on a minute Rob - this wonderful diversivied economy - the Northern Powerhouse ? . Methinks still far to dependant on the financial services industry London based and thats really served us well hasn't it? and I'll know you'll come back with RBS and all that and if we had been independant etc etc the country would have gone down the tubes and we'd never been able to afford the losses. There must be a better way than this Mickey Mouse,Westminster, BoE, way of running a country.
No IM simply stating known and accepted economic facts, the scottish economy is diversified, a lot more than say Norway, but the oil collapse has impacted on Scotlands ability to pay its way. Wings over Scotland and other propoganda machines spout that oil is a bonus we can do without it etc, well the fiscal sums as drawn up by the SNP on oil price assupmtions to run the country is out by 6000%.... fact. So what plugs the gap ? Or do we live in the land of make believe ? Financial services is part of the scottish economy and plays a big part but we need more diversity and control. As you say there must be a better way of running the country and I agree, we should be forging ahead with renewables, remeber Salmonds claim of scotland being the saudi arabia of renewables ? well we're not renewable copanies are folding so are not leaders as a starter for 1. You cannot blame westminster for the absence of a clear cohesive developmental renewables strategy where is the SNP's strategy ?? They dont have one . How can you trust a party that made such outrageous ill founded claims ? Id have more respect for SNP if they showed as much energy and committment to developing the scottish economy than they do with their obvious indy 2 strategy and politicing shenanigans. SOme people want facts not fantasies.
I'm sorry, but if Westminster controls the big economic levers then the Scottish parliament is left to do with what it can with the crumbs. eg Peterhead carbon capture dropped at the stroke of a pen and as for renewables, wave and tide needs huge long term investment and you ain't going to get that from the fast buck city culture.
Peterhead is sod all to do with renewable energy, its carbon related /environmental and its knock back is an affront to Scotland and a disgrace.Yes renewables needs start up short term investment due to market failure ( fast buck investors wont invest in costly long pay back projects as proved time immemorial ) so this is usually supplied by the state whose job is to interfere where this is a market failure ( in this case private investment holding back from re newables investment and development ), you haven't remotely addressed key issues, where is Scotlands renewables strategy...answer...they haven't got one... rather a patch work of ad hoc mostly wind turbine projects ( big deal and look at latest knock back.....on wind farm ). As for big levers, do me a favour you got them and they aint crumbs and you are getting more, you can raise / reduce taxes taxes but are in paralysis aren't you, as you don't as a party know what to do, ie keep on buying votes ( with non means tested freebies / council tax freeze all benefiting the affluent ) or redirecting monies to economic growth ie renewable developments for one. Im afraid you cannot square the circle and with respect your cliched wind over scotland based arguments do not hold under any serious scrutiny. I cannot take you seriously as your parties raison d etre is indy, thats why your politicking is doing sod all for Scotlands development ( economically ).
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Are you seriously asking me to trust an SNP government whose fiscal forecasts were 6,000% out ? Nah, at least I know with a degree of certainty what crumbs are available like a lot of people Ive a future to consider and plan, that future doesn't lie with lying duplicitous non entities. Sturgeon promised a new politics, whiter than white, consensual and listening, well look at the recent track record, financial shenanigans by SNP MP's,lies, political posturing making Scotland a laughing stock, MP's not looking after constituent interest, as for Mogodon yer local man, why would Caithnessians vote for an anti nuclear party ? whats he doing to mitigate the collapse of the Caithness north Sutherland economy when Dounreay goes? Ah I know, the economy will miraculously adapt and become an arts /culture centre !! Renewables in the firth is 100% required to sustain engineering in particular. Well you did vote for an egotist so take the consequences your welcome to it. Wake up and smell the roses, look locally as you are being ignored. Whats more important, Mogodon posturing to anti Syrian bombing protestors, jaunts abroad, daft tweets or him progressing you own well being ?
Ok if we had voted yes then it would because we had been duped and lied to...oil...its not a bonus.... and SNP fiscal figures on oil revenues are out by 6,000% as we speak ............not 5 / 10 / 15% but 6,000% : a yes vote would mean Scotland would now be totally screwed or maybe you fall into the camp of " so what at least we would be free"
Can someone tell me where the 6000% comes from?
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