They say that you get the face you deserve...proof positive in this case.Originally Posted by percy toboggan
Not a fan of either the man or his nasty racist views.
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Powell...
I had to resort to the BBC i player to watch last Friday's BBC 2 programme on the 'Rivers of Blood' speech. I only caught the first twenty minutes and have 24 hours to catch the rest - no downloads were available - oddly.
I have my views, which I'll largely keep to myself. Enoch chose some poor terminology but whatever you think of the man he was a visionary, and time has proved his theories were not the ramblings of a demented, prejudiced mind....well, certainly not demented.
Ironically , his speech had a debillitating effect on the resistance of mass immigration. Outraged opinion within the higher strata of political society forever kept the man at arms length, whilst many of the working classes (then worthy of the name) in the shape of organised labour rallied behind him. Marginalised, but not alone, Powell became a bit part political player from then on.
Enoch was ill served by his facial expression. The piercing, staring eyes...the moustache...the military bearing..one wonders how history will see him in fifty years time.
(I'm off to watch the rest of it)
They say that you get the face you deserve...proof positive in this case.
Not a fan of either the man or his nasty racist views.
1K.Orger
Aye, not just the fact that he was racist but the fact that he so obviously relished it , and incited others to be so.
Nothing like dedication , eh !!
The world , hopefully, moves on....
Last edited by Dog-eared; 14-Mar-08 at 20:06.
We can only hope so Dog-eared.....at least nowadays 'incitement to racial hatred' is an actual offence...not merely offensive.
Karia
Last edited by karia; 14-Mar-08 at 21:02.
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Having watched all of this now I can say the man has been proved more or less correct in his predictions. Nothing new here, the Toxteth, Handsworth and Brixton riots confirmed it much, much earlier.
Have either of you watched this film?
The most astute comment came near then end when a contributor said 'the distinctions now are not black and white skin colour...they are between those who can live in a secular society, with common sense of purpose and common law....and those who for whatever social and historic reasons cannot.
Indeed times have moved on...but until these differences are resolved Britain can never ever be a cohesive society, even in the widest sense.
The prog left me with a deep sense of regret that Edward Heath won victory for the Tories in the 1970 General Election (against expectations).
If he had not, then the two greatest ills to beset my country in my lifetime - Margaret Thatcher, and mass immigration might never have happened.
The knee jerk reaction to Powell's infamous speech was an acceptance of multi-culturalism, which is now a busted flush. The acquiescence of mainstream politicans like Roy Hattersley (who in the film confirmed he's an out of touch buffoon) was shaming. Only Frank Field - a real world socialist Labour M.P. spoke the absolute truth, at leats as I , and millions like me see it.
If you are blessed with an attention span I suggest you look at this on www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer search for Rivers of Blood - tomorrow evening it will be gone.
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Under the law you cite, it is highly unlikely that Powell would have been cautioned, or even charged after the speech he delivered in Wolverhampton.
Last edited by percy toboggan; 14-Mar-08 at 22:51.
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The rivers of blood thing was done to death in another thread a while ago.
Glad to see that Percy thinks it could have been put better; however that man was one of the towering intellects of his generation. He knew exactly what he was saying and it's likely effect.
Since then thousands of booted skinheads in bomber jackets have justified themselves with "Enoch was right". If he saw tensions arising, as an intelligent and supposedly responsible man he should have sought solutions rather than fuel the flames and provide facists a platform from which to spread their poison.
He made himself a "bit player", he was too haughty to ever admit the damage he'd done. He made a mistake, made far worse by the fact that he had the wit and political nouse to see what would result.
1K.Orger
True.Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by different sections of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population.
TrueAs time goes on, the proportion of this total who are immigrant descendants, those born in England, who arrived here by exactly the same route as the rest of us, will rapidly increase.
TrueIt almost passes belief that at this moment twenty or thirty additional immigrant children are arriving from overseas in Wolverhampton alone every week - and that means fifteen or twenty additional families of a decade or two hence.
True, now they are all bleating about their loss of national identity, let's swear allegiance to the queen to show our Britishness, dry your eyes folks.I turn to re-emigration. If all immigration ended tomorrow, the rate of growth of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population would be substantially reduced, but the prospective size of this element in the population would still leave the basic character of the national danger unaffected. This can only be tackled while a considerable proportion of the total still comprises persons who entered this country during the last ten years or so. Hence the urgency of implementing now the second element of the Conservative Party's policy: the encouragement of re-emigration.
Are they not building housing for the influx of immigrants now and exluding people that were born here.The third element of the Conservative Party's policy is that all who are in this country as citizens should be equal before the law and that there shall be no discrimination or difference made between them by public authority. As Mr. Heath has put it, we will have no 'first-class citizens' and 'second-class citizens'. This does not mean that the immigrant and his descendants should be elevated into a privileged or special class or that the citizen should be denied his right to discriminate in the management of his own affairs between one fellow citizen and another or that he should be subjected to inquisition as to his reasons and motives for behaving in one lawful manner rather than another.
Are these quotes from Mr Powell's speech?...you did not make the source clear TBH.
But I found this billet doux between you and Percy on my travels..unconnected?!
Surely not!
Last edited by karia; 14-Mar-08 at 22:56.
1K.Orger
Yes these are quotes from his speach and no you have not found any love letters. So percy starts a thread about Enoch Powell and that somehow connects to a previous post of mine.By the way, remember that some radicals that were born and raised in this country would love to kill you and eradicate everything that you stand for, does that not bother you and what is your solution, give them a pat on the head and tell them to run along?
Last edited by TBH; 14-Mar-08 at 23:03.
Not at all..see the quote.Yes these are quotes from his speach and no you have not found any love letters. So percy starts a thread about Enoch Powell and that somehow connects to a previous post of mine.
And what gives you any impression that you know what I stand for?
Last edited by karia; 14-Mar-08 at 23:10.
It's good that you have friends..a rarity in 'powell supporters.
kx
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I posted this thread without the consideration, or consultation of any other poster. I'm studying French at the moment but haven't got up to 'billet doux' it sounds gallic.....whatever can it mean? Maybe I can hazard a guess in my ignorance....
I don't form alliances with other posters - as you will no doubt have realised by now - and post solely from the top of my head on matters that interest me. The org. seems to be a place which will tolerate non febrile discussion of weighty issues. This is why I raised the subject on here...if it's good enough for the BBC, then surely it's good enough for 'the org'
1K.Orger
How can you say it is a rarity in Powell supporters when you didn't even know where the quotes came from.
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billet doux: a 'love letter' (thanks google)It's good that you have friends..a rarity in 'powell supporters.
kx
You've obviously been on the red wine again Karia.
So have I, but can handle it so much better.
You're out of touch with the feelings of those who populate street, rather than road....or avenue. I speak metaphorically of course..it's a handy reference to working class opinion. Anachronistic, like Powell but most people who can sink a bottle of wine and remain coherent will recognise the concept.
1K.Orger
I posted this
Percy posted that
I replied with this, keep up Karia, engage your brain sometimes before posting, it does help.
Ha...nice try Percy but I don't drink of a week...and I live in a street where 75% of the residents are over 65.
Sad that you have to defend yourself thus....protesting too much methinks..
'and i'll walk down the avenue..til I'm there'..cannae beat e musicals.!
Keep up?...engage my brain?
When the insults start a flying...those who pitch them have no decent arguments left.
Everyone here knows exactly what I stand for...
....yourself?
1K.Orger
I could have sworn you started it with some paranoid accusation?Keep up?...engage my brain?
When the insults start a flying...those who pitch them have no decent arguments left.
Everyone here knows exactly what I stand for...
....your elf?
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For a 'University Lecturer' your arguments are often pedestrian.Ha...nice try Percy but I don't drink of a week...and I live in a street where 75% of the residents are over 65.
Sad that you have to defend yourself thus....protesting too much methinks.
'and i'll walk down the avenue..til I'm there'..cannae beat e musicals.!
This response is particularly poor.
I can't say I'm surprised.
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