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    Default Pylons vs Wind Turbines.

    Why the Hate for Pylons?
    What is the difference with Wind Turbines?

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    one transmits electricity and the other generates it
    W.A.T.P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mi16 View Post
    one transmits electricity and the other generates it
    Yes I know that…My question was why everyone is ‘up in arms’ about the Transmitting Pylons, when they seem OK with Windmills.
    Some people were acceding to the ‘Pylons, as the End of the World’ as we know it.

    ******Or could it be that The Community receives a Payment from the Windmills?****
    One must remember that any Payment made to a Community, is part of the Profits made by the Company…..In other words….
    To receive a Community Payment/Gift people have to pay extra Electricity prices! Capiche……
    Last edited by The Horseman; 20-Mar-24 at 23:16.

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    Am trying to figure out why more complaints are in The Groat’ over the Power Lines.
    I see there are over 1800 ‘VIEWS’ to my post, and no response from anyone explaining the issue.
    These large Pylons are likely over a Half Mile apart, and the Electrical Current from the wires poses no danger to the public as long as you are not standing within 50 feet…..Enlighten me please. Ty.

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    If we want wind power we must have wind turbines. I suppose many people would say that a line of pylons streching for many miles from the electricity is generated to where the electricity is consumed is an eyesore. Power cables could be buried underground (although that is much more expensive). Some electrical cables are under sea for example the Caithness–Moray Link:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caithness_-_Moray_Link

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    Aesthetics! The cost does come into it…..
    Thank you….

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horseman View Post
    Yes I know that…My question was why everyone is ‘up in arms’ about the Transmitting Pylons, when they seem OK with Windmills. Some people were acceding to the ‘Pylons, as the End of the World’ as we know it. ******Or could it be that The Community receives a Payment from the Windmills?**** One must remember that any Payment made to a Community, is part of the Profits made by the Company…..In other words…. To receive a Community Payment/Gift people have to pay extra Electricity prices! Capiche……
    Because if we were a bunch of rich folk, they'd spend the money to bury them underground. Or, if we were in England, they'd also bury them. But because we aren't, we get the cheapest solution. Also, there's no concern at all for what impact it might have on tourism. Sure, we aren't the hottest spot on the tourist maps, but people certainly don't want to look at pylons after spending so much money to get here. One would think the Scottish government would step in and insist things are done right in order to protect the tourism industry.

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    I think we all want cheap power, that's the main reason for pylons v underground cables. It's us, the consumer who ultimately pays for everything.Reading what SSEN says " Underground transmission circuits at 400kV require up to five cables per phase. In order to deliver the necessary capacity, which requires a three phase 400kV double circuit, up to 30 parallel cables will be required. For electrical reasons, these cables need to be suitably spaced out. To achieve the required spacing, a trench of over 40m wide would need to be excavated, typically between 1m and 7m deep. During the construction period, a working corridor of more than 70m wide is required for cable installation."That would be a heck of a scar, 70 meters wide and up to 7M deep!

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    Turbines, when they come to the end of their working life. Who pays for the dismantling and removal from the site

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    Decommissioning requirements are set in the planning conditions for each project that has received permission. Most projects will have agreed a 'decommissioning bond' with the local planning authority at the point of planning consent to cover the costs of decommissioning, usually in the form of a planning condition.

    Highland Council often have bond requirements for ganing planning permission.

    For Example the recent Borrowstone Mains, Forss, Thurso application on 30 January 2024 had the following -
    No development shall commence until:
    i. Full details of a guarantee, bond or other financial provision to
    be put in place to cover all of the decommissioning and Site
    restoration measures outlined in the Decommissioning and
    Restoration Plan approved under Condition 4 of this permission
    have been submitted to, and approved in writing by, the
    Planning Authority. For the avoidance of doubt the bond must
    be called upon by The Highland Council and be enforceable
    against the operator and landowner and / or leaseholder; and,
    ii. Confirmation in writing by a suitably qualified independent
    professional that the amount of financial provision proposed
    under part (i) above is sufficient to meet the full estimated costs
    of all decommissioning, dismantling, removal, disposal, Site
    restoration, remediation and incidental work, as well as
    associated professional costs, has been submitted to, and
    approved in writing by, the planning authority; and
    iii. Documentary evidence that the guarantee, bond or other
    financial provision approved under parts (i) and (ii) above is in
    place has been submitted to, and confirmation in writing that the
    financial provision is satisfactory has been issued by, the
    Planning Authority.
    Thereafter, the Operator, and Leaseholder and/or Landowner, shall:
    i. Ensure that the guarantee, bond or other financial provision is
    maintained throughout the duration of this permission; and,
    ii. Pay for the guarantee, bond or other financial provision to be
    subject to a review five years after the commencement of
    development and every five years thereafter until such time as
    the wind farm is decommissioned and the Site restored.

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    Default Decommissioning Bonds etc…

    Bill Fernie’s comments work well in the perfect World.Many Wind Farms are built on Grants and Loans.Just have to wait and see how many get thrown into The Flow Country……..Just think. In the North many Windmills are built in Bog Land. Dig it out, fill it with stone.‘Has anyone seen the building of a base for a Windmill….Unbelievable.Then construct re-bar and fill with concrete, which is the most highly toxic product. This includes roads to said sites.Transportation of all these materials, diesel fuel etc etc. windmills and blades from afar!And then The Landowners Levy…enormous…..Communities get a few £’s and they are ecstatic…...Methinks we will eventually see this is a Failed System.

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    A 2 Megawatt windmill is made up of 200 tons of steel, that required 300 tons of Iron Ore and 170 ton of coking coal, all mined, transported and produced by Hydrocarbons. A windmill could spin until it falls apart, and never generate as much energy as is invested in building it. Plus the Base! Just imagine that….
    Last edited by The Horseman; 24-Jun-24 at 15:20.

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    I suggest you take a look at the CommunitiesB4PowerCompanies FB page- you'll see that there are now over 3300 people signed up to that group and a huge amount of very active opposition to both the grid upgrade, the battery storage plants, the new sub stations being speared into the Highlands and beyond. It is very much on the agenda for very many people. Every newspaper now and TV are carrying letters and features on this but all the political parties are committed to it and have so far refused to pause to consider whether any of this is green or will ever work.

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    Default It’s nearly all Fake!

    We had a ‘huge windmill’ erected at a Nuke Plant just outside Toronto.We were told this was a great example of ‘Wind Power’!BUT….then we found out it was never hooked up! Likely there for 15 years…..they had to take it down as it was deteriorating! YUP.So what is the purpose? Perhaps another item to pay Tax on!

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