The SDA

[secrets in symmetry]

I have been informed that there have been some pro-SDA posts on the forum.

I don't have the inclination to go looking for those posts, but I can tell you something about the SDA from first-hand experience.

The SDA are Scotland's Tea Party. They are extreme-right libertarians. Many of their senior members are failed right-wing Tories who know they have no chance of power in the Tory party in Scotland, and no chance of power whilst Scotland remains in the UK. That's why they support secession.

I know all this because I have known a good number of their senior members for a long time.

[Phill]

What has the Sexual Dysfunction Association got to do with ex Tories.......... Oh, I see, never mind.

[secrets in symmetry]

There'd be no bedroom tax in an SDA-run Scotland - because there'd be no benefit to "tax"!

You have no idea how right-wing these people are. Ducati would run for his life!

[squidge]

Currently those voters who are naturally right of centre are poorly served in Scotland. The Tories are practically unelectable and the SDA may offer an alternative. Their policies are not for me and I wouldnt vote for them full stop, but I found their members interesting and pleasant to disagree with. No insults or brow beating or patronising dismissal like you can find on these boards.

[ducati]

Currently those voters who are naturally right of centre are poorly served in Scotland. The Tories are practically unelectable and the SDA may offer an alternative. Their policies are not for me and I wouldnt vote for them full stop, but I found their members interesting and pleasant to disagree with. No insults or brow beating or patronising dismissal like you can find on these boards.

That's why I like being in the UK. No need to elect Torys in Scotland as long as they are elected to Westminster once in a while. The cycle is; a succession of left of centre govs. wreck the economy. The Torys are elected (fully or almost) to put it right, then the next lefty..er Socialist gov come in and the cycle starts again. In an Independent Scotland it would just spiral down and down until it disappeared up it's own.......

[secrets in symmetry]

That's why I like being in the UK. No need to elect Torys in Scotland as long as they are elected to Westminster once in a while. The cycle is; a succession of left of centre govs. wreck the economy. The Torys are elected (fully or almost) to put it right, then the next lefty..er Socialist gov come in and the cycle starts again. In an Independent Scotland it would just spiral down and down until it disappeared up it's own.......

Lol!

That post exemplifies why I love you ducati.

You propagate the Tory faithful's economic myth that has had no connection with reality for more than half a century.

The SDA leadership would scare the living daylights out of you!

[John Little]

That's why I like being in the UK. No need to elect Torys in Scotland as long as they are elected to Westminster once in a while. The cycle is; a succession of left of centre govs. wreck the economy. The Torys are elected (fully or almost) to put it right, then the next lefty..er Socialist gov come in and the cycle starts again. In an Independent Scotland it would just spiral down and down until it disappeared up it's own.......

History does not back this up.

The Tories have dominated UK politics for most of the last century. When in power they have usually presided over an economic mess. 1900-1910. World recession - Tories till 1906 then using the Lords to block everything the Liberals tried to do.

1920s. Lloyd George coalition dominated by Tories. Total mess.

1930s mass unemployment and poverty under Baldwin. Appeasement and defence cuts.

1950s balance of payments in the red and more cuts.

1970s under Heath, mess. 1980s under Thatcher, runaway monetarism death of coal and selling of of industries which now cost us a lot more.

Now a boy chancellor wedded to 6th form economics, increasing the numbers of people on benefits whilst sapping demand with purchase taxes. Hardly competent - or elevating. The one thing they do well is propaganda because they own most of he media so tell everyone how well they are doing. Except they are not!

[David Banks]

That's why I like being in the UK. No need to elect Torys in Scotland as long as they are elected to Westminster once in a while. The cycle is; a succession of left of centre govs. wreck the economy. The Torys are elected (fully or almost) to put it right, then the next lefty..er Socialist gov come in and the cycle starts again. In an Independent Scotland it would just spiral down and down until it disappeared up it's own.......

"The cycle" as you describe it has certainly Not been the case, as you describe it, in Canada or the US since I came across the pond in 1975.

I would like to hear you, Ducati, or anyone else, prove the validity of your claim as it applies to the UK in the last little while.

P.S.: While I was writing, I see the discussion has been joined!

[secrets in symmetry]

P.S.: While I was writing, I see the discussion has been joined!

Indeed it was - and we all rubbished poor ducati's Tory economic mythology lol!

[ducati]

Lol!

That post exemplifies why I love you ducati.

You propagate the Tory faithful's economic myth that has had no connection with reality for more than half a century.

The SDA leadership would scare the living daylights out of you!

I've lived through the cycle many times, I may or may not be deluded, but I can observe accurately what is actually happening. Everyone puts their own interpretation on this however. No idea who or what the SDA are and frankly, don't care.

[ducati]

Indeed it was - and we all rubbished poor ducati's Tory economic mythology lol!

Do you believe life would be better without Conservative politics? I don't believe it would be.

[ducati]

Indeed it was - and we all rubbished poor ducati's Tory economic mythology lol!

That's because you are all idio..misguided.

[secrets in symmetry]

That's because you are all idio..misguided.

Idiosyncratic?

[David Banks]

Do you believe life would be better without Conservative politics? I don't believe it would be.

I believe that, when any one party has been “in power“ more than two or three terms, there needs to be a change.

My preferred solution (in Canada) would be, in part, proportional representation.

Alternatives, of whatever “stripe,“ should be welcomed.

[secrets in symmetry]

I believe that, when any one party has been “in power“ more than two or three terms, there needs to be a change.

My preferred solution (in Canada) would be, in part, proportional representation.

Alternatives, of whatever “stripe,“ should be welcomed.

Yes, I think two or three terms are enough.

We allegedly have proportional representation at Holyrood - except that it didn't work at the last election because of the idiotic way the system avoids the divide by zero problem!

Eck and Nickers won easily - I don't deny that - but the PR system broke.

[ducati]

Idiosyncratic?

Er..yeah...er..OK