Yes Scotland/Yes Caithness

[gerry4]

I have just come back from the initial meeting of Yes Highland in Inverness.

There were many people attending, from all parties, Greens, Socialists, Labour & myself a LibDem, as well as the SNP. This is Yes Scotlands aim, to bring together people from all parties, people not aligned to any party, to work for a Yes vote in 2014.

Yes Scotland wants local groups. Why not think about working with like minded people, from all parties, for the Yes vote in 2014 and then be able to vote for the government that the scottish people want in 2016?

[secrets in symmetry]

How can you have "like minded" people in a Yes campaign? Where are the minds you need for that?

[ducati]

Great idea. I'll start a local don't be daft group

[cptdodger]

Yes Scotland wants local groups. Why not think about working with like minded people, from all parties, for the Yes vote in 2014 and then be able to vote for the government that the scottish people want in 2016?

I do'nt understand, if you have already decided to vote yes - why do you need to form local groups? To work towards what exactly? I know how I'm voting, and no amount of groups this "Yes Scotland" lot come up with will make me change my mind.

[gerry4]

I am glad cptdodger that you have made up your mind but around a 1/3 have not. The No parties have their structures already in place and people to canvas for them. As LibDem I know that their local party machine will be working to persuade people to vote again an independent scotland. Combine that with the Labour & the Conservative local party machines also persuading people to vote No then the Yes campaign has a job to get its vote heard.

The Yes Scotland group is non political, non party group. We do not propose policies for a independent Scotland. That will come in the 2016 election when independence is won. It is also a group that people from all parties can join.

[John Little]

'Yes Scotland' is non political ???

[BlingBling]

"Like minded"? SMALL minded more like. Every opinion poll for years shows that "No No No!" will prevail. The referendum and all the campaigning is a complete waste of time and money - other than that the final result in 2014 will put the Nats firmly back in their box.

I have just come back from the initial meeting of Yes Highland in Inverness.

There were many people attending, from all parties, Greens, Socialists, Labour & myself a LibDem, as well as the SNP. This is Yes Scotlands aim, to bring together people from all parties, people not aligned to any party, to work for a Yes vote in 2014.

Yes Scotland wants local groups. Why not think about working with like minded people, from all parties, for the Yes vote in 2014 and then be able to vote for the government that the scottish people want in 2016?

[golach]

Have to say I am with cptdodger, I have already made up my mind on how I am going to vote, best of luck with your yes campaign, it does nothing for me.

[billmoseley]

Now i know all this independence thing is very important and should not be taken lightly but am i the only person on the org that is getting tired of every other thread being about it. Could the Org Master not start a separate part of the Org devoted to it?

[secrets in symmetry]

'Yes Scotland' is non political ???

You couldn't make it up!

The problem is that the secessionists do make it up! They redefine terms such as "non political" to mean the opposite of what it really means, they make up "facts", they make up everything! They should be locked up!

At least their energy policies will provide jobs for all.

[Rheghead]

Now i know all this independence thing is very important and should not be taken lightly but am i the only person on the org that is getting tired of every other thread being about it. Could the Org Master not start a separate part of the Org devoted to it?

That would be good in theory but it seems the secessionists are now blaming the Union for everything.

[gerry4]

'Yes Scotland' is non political ???

Yes, by non political I mean they do not put forward policies from any particular party. Remember the SNP are not the only party supporting Yes Scotland. The Greens, Scottish Socialist, as well as members of Labour & LibDem's. We all have our vision of an independant Scotland. Some parts will be the same, others different.

billmoseley Sorry if there are too many threats for you but I did try to make mine obvious by the title and so those not interested could avoid it.

Those who do not wish for a proper discussion, I will ignore. If they wish to waste their time then so be it.

[cptdodger]

That will come in the 2016 election when independence is won.

Again, what are the groups for ? You have stated that every single person eligible to vote, is going to vote for independence, so why bother. With that statement you are either very naive, or very arrogant.

[Rheghead]

The Yes Scotland group is non political

I thought the Conservative party's full name included the line 'and Unionist party' as well? So your attempt to redefine what you think is non political has met its first stumbling block.

[Jerrico]

Europe's the worlds debt crisis is not just causing economic chaos. It is also providing ammunition to opponents of Scottish independence, who are preparing for 2014 referendum. Scots who think the economy would be a lot stronger under independence are very mistaken. Support for independence dropped Scots now believed a independent Scottish economy would be a lot weaker turning the country into third world status. Its common sense to keep the union in this uncertain economic future. One might be turned into voting YES if the worlds economy was booming and there's major growth in all sectors in Scotland, with the way things are now looking I'm defiantly voting NO and no SNP or any politician with the YES agenda will convince me other wise. Voting YES is suicide for Scotland and will ruin my Bonnie Scotland.

[Camra]

I'm interested as to how we ensure only Scottish nationals are able to vote on this issue

[John Little]

I'm interested as to how we ensure only Scottish nationals are able to vote on this issue

Well I aint no genius on the issue but it seems to me that online registration requiring place of birth, date etc might be a start.

Birth place is a major consideration. You may not be President of the United States if born outside the country.

But if a Scot wants a better life, or a warm climate, or job opportunities not north of the wall, then they seem to lose their say.

To me that's the distinction. Scots voting on Scotland is Nationalism and fair enough.

Tom, Dick and Harriet voting on Scotland because they happen to have moved there is Secession- and if they can do that, then why not Yorkshire?

[Oddquine]

Have to say I am with cptdodger, I have already made up my mind on how I am going to vote, best of luck with your yes campaign, it does nothing for me.

So the easy thing to do is put you on ignore if it is pointless responding to you when you post to argue not discuss?

I'm not bothered about my pension in an Independent Scotland, btw...kinda wonder why you are. I'd have thought that either the UK would be obliged to treat people who live in Scotland exactly the same as they do people who off to live in Spain, Thailand, the USA, Canada etc...as in they get their pensions, because they have paid for them...or alternatively, the rUK could decide to give us a pot of money which would allow Scotland to meet the old UK obligations on the pension front. Never quite managed to work out why a divorce between countries should be considered that much different from a divorce from any other legal contract tbh. You care to tell me the difference you perceive?

[Oddquine]

Well I aint no genius on the issue but it seems to me that online registration requiring place of birth, date etc might be a start.

Birth place is a major consideration. You may not be President of the United States if born outside the country.

But if a Scot wants a better life, or a warm climate, or job opportunities not north of the wall, then they seem to lose their say.

To me that's the distinction. Scots voting on Scotland is Nationalism and fair enough.

Tom, Dick and Harriet voting on Scotland because they happen to have moved there is Secession- and if they can do that, then why not Yorkshire?

Why would Scottish nationals be the only people allowed to vote when that is never the way it has worked in any other election in Scotland? In every other election, those registered to vote in Scotland can vote. If Scots no longer in Scotland still wanted input into our decisions...well, they could always have not registered to vote where they were currently living, and held onto their vote here......couldn't they?

[Oddquine]

I thought the Conservative party's full name included the line 'and Unionist party' as well? So your attempt to redefine what you think is non political has met its first stumbling block.

The YES, Scotland Group is not a political party...so big fail there for a start, Rheghead! Have you actually ever read the website?

Out of interest, if Scotland had not been in the Union since 1707 and was still an Independent Country...would you be voting for us to join the Union now?