Shocking

[golach]

I just do not understand the gun culture of the USA, this to me is shocking

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/ar...-5-killed?bn=1

[bagpuss]

but remove a citizen's right to bear arms.........

[sandyr1]

To us in Canada it is also disturbing.....
Casper, Wyoming........Man drives into Town with 2 rifles and a shotgun in the back window of the pickup truck.
Gets out. Wearing Jeans, and harris tweed jacket..gun belt with a 38 calibre bull barrel revolver with perhaps 40 cartridges around
the belt. Wears it over his jacket.....offence to wear it under/concealed then!
Normal behaviour. Go to the Hilton Hotel bar....gun belts are hung up outside the area they sell the liquor in. Cannot take a gun in where
booze is being sold.....Speak to the female Manager. Joking... say I guess you don't have a gun. She pulls out a 2 shot Derringer from her
boot!
Different States have different Regs. Yes it is strange to me and stranger to people from the UK ....but... Charlton Heston...Ben Hur.... was
their main spokesperson before he died. How can you argue!
Police Officers from around the World gathered there...All paraded in their Dress/Ceremonial Uniforms...Jeans, cowboy boots, plaid shirt with
their sidearm, riding a horse with a 30-30 rifle in a scabbard on the horse....for a number of US States.
It is their 'rite to bear arms'.

[chordie]

What's more shocking is that the media is more focused on one woman who survived than the 5 who didn't.

[sids]

Wearing Jeans, and harris tweed jacket..'.

That really is a bit of a shock!

[Anfield]

You reap what you sow.
Whilst the USA has such a stupid and crass gun control system, events like this will continue to happen.
Even if they prohibited the sale of any more guns, there are so many guns in the USA to ensure that there will be many many repetitions of mass shootings such as this

[sandyr1]

You reap what you sow.
Whilst the USA has such a stupid and crass gun control system, events like this will continue to happen.
Even if they prohibited the sale of any more guns, there are so many guns in the USA to ensure that there will be many many repetitions of mass shootings such as this

Perhaps you should make suggestions, rather than slag a system you know nothing about...Who is stooopid!
They have 350 M people with a porous Border to Mexico, and you know what goes on there..Yes it could be better, but the UK.... and OK.... Canada all have their problems.

[billmoseley]

it seems that no matter how many controls you have on fire arms if someone wants a weapon enough they will get hold of one even here in the uk. alas this will probably won't be the last time we see such shootings

[peter macdonald]

From todays Guardian ....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...09/usa-arizona
Very scary stuff....... especially the Palin references ..remember this loony was almost vice president of the USA

[sandyr1]

From todays Guardian ....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...09/usa-arizona
Very scary stuff....... especially the Palin references ..remember this loony was almost vice president of the USA

Gosh P....Is she a looney??? Because she has a different view...I dunno where this all comes from.

[sandyr1]

it seems that no matter how many controls you have on fire arms if someone wants a weapon enough they will get hold of one even here in the uk. alas this will probably won't be the last time we see such shootings

Yes so very true....The whole World has seen this go on...Is it there are more shootings nowadays or is it the Media who profile it more....for ratings!
Our area... 1250 sq miles/ population 700,000, had 3 Sexuals Assaults over a period of 6 months, and one newspaper said we had a serial Rapist...but 2 were not rapes!

[Anfield]

Perhaps you should make suggestions, rather than slag a system you know nothing about...Who is stooopid!
They have 350 M people with a porous Border to Mexico, and you know what goes on there..Yes it could be better, but the UK.... and OK.... Canada all have their problems.

What has the border with Mexico got to do with the price of fish?
You dont need to smuggle guns in from Mexico, they are there, in the thousands of shops selling "weapoms of mass destruction" to anyone who wants one.

[ducati]

Well if the UK with its tight gun controls can't avoid giving a licence to looneys.........

[redeyedtreefrog]

The guy was deemed too unstable to join the army, too unstable to stay at the college which he attended, but stable enough to be able to buy a machine specifically designed to kill or maim another human.

[orkneycadian]

Very roughly (from some quick Googling and mentally averaging the immediate results that come back....), Between 3 and 4 times the number of people who die in the USA per year as a result of firearms, die in the UK from smoking. Bearing in mind the population of the USA is something like 4 times that of the UK, deaths from firearms in the USA is a piddling statistic compared to deaths from smoking in the UK.

Apparantly, the majority of the firearm deaths in the USA are suicides (reportedly about 2/3 of the total). It could be suggested that smoking is a similar form of "self euthanasia...."

So if USA deaths from firearms are shocking, and the death rate in the UK from smoking is something like 12-16 times per capita then surely there must be a case for an outright ban on smoking in the UK as from midnight tonight?

Perspective.

[Mystical Potato Head]

Very roughly (from some quick Googling and mentally averaging the immediate results that come back....), Between 3 and 4 times the number of people who die in the USA per year as a result of firearms, die in the UK from smoking. Bearing in mind the population of the USA is something like 4 times that of the UK, deaths from firearms in the USA is a piddling statistic compared to deaths from smoking in the UK.

Apparantly, the majority of the firearm deaths in the USA are suicides (reportedly about 2/3 of the total). It could be suggested that smoking is a similar form of "self euthanasia...."

So if USA deaths from firearms are shocking, and the death rate in the UK from smoking is something like 12-16 times per capita then surely there must be a case for an outright ban on smoking in the UK as from midnight tonight?

Perspective.

I'm surprised the news channels haven't picked up on this,its a marvelous example of reasoning.

[brandy]

it was only a few months ago in england that a man went on a killing spree.. with a gun.. that led to a chase and eventually his death.. what was the total number of deaths there again?
gun laws often do not matter.. the good guys very rarely have guns.. and its the baddies that have the weapons.
even people that do have guns thru proper channels.. which in the states is a large number.. how many of them per capita do you see committing violent crimes?
the most often you hear about is heat of passion crimes.. which lest face it.. here in wick.. there have been prg. women having an axe taken to them by boyfriend.. stabbings... swords... and even women taking a razon from a disposable razor and slashing another woman in front of both their respective children.. on a street that had loads of other children about playing. now all this is in a town of just over 7000 people. also in the past months.. so moral of the story is.. people should look to their own doors first before they get all uppity about whats going on in other places and stop looking down their noses at everything.

[theone]

Very roughly (from some quick Googling and mentally averaging the immediate results that come back....), Between 3 and 4 times the number of people who die in the USA per year as a result of firearms, die in the UK from smoking. Bearing in mind the population of the USA is something like 4 times that of the UK, deaths from firearms in the USA is a piddling statistic compared to deaths from smoking in the UK.

Apparantly, the majority of the firearm deaths in the USA are suicides (reportedly about 2/3 of the total). It could be suggested that smoking is a similar form of "self euthanasia...."

So if USA deaths from firearms are shocking, and the death rate in the UK from smoking is something like 12-16 times per capita then surely there must be a case for an outright ban on smoking in the UK as from midnight tonight?

Perspective.

Excellent post.

The only problem with perspective is that it continues to be outdone by hype, hysteria and scaremongering.

Sensible statistics don't sell newspapers or increase viewer ratings.

[Bazeye]

Very roughly (from some quick Googling and mentally averaging the immediate results that come back....), Between 3 and 4 times the number of people who die in the USA per year as a result of firearms, die in the UK from smoking. Bearing in mind the population of the USA is something like 4 times that of the UK, deaths from firearms in the USA is a piddling statistic compared to deaths from smoking in the UK.

Apparantly, the majority of the firearm deaths in the USA are suicides (reportedly about 2/3 of the total). It could be suggested that smoking is a similar form of "self euthanasia...."

So if USA deaths from firearms are shocking, and the death rate in the UK from smoking is something like 12-16 times per capita then surely there must be a case for an outright ban on smoking in the UK as from midnight tonight?

Perspective.

Too much revenue lost for that though.

[sandyr1]

What has the border with Mexico got to do with the price of fish?
You dont need to smuggle guns in from Mexico, they are there, in the thousands of shops selling "weapoms of mass destruction" to anyone who wants one.

I am trying to lead you by the hand and explain life to you.
Unfortunately you are not open minded enough to understand. And the price of fish...A wee bitty smelly to me!
Weapons of Mass destruction.....Oh Gawd! You have been watching too much George W Bush magic.
What else can I say...other than Michael Stone was convicted....read all about it.....