birth defects 13 times higher .......

[onecalledk]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/8548961.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/8548707.stm

it seems that the chemicals used in bombing have now affected those being born. Unbelievably the women of the country were warned NOT to have children.

K

[golach]

Saddam started it. Who was the worst?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3738368.stm

[onecalledk]

women and children SUFFERED. FULL STOP. It is irrelevant whether that suffering was caused by one evil dictator or anyone else.

K

[fred]

Saddam started it. Who was the worst?

We are, we are by far the worse.

Saddam only killed once then stopped, we have contaminated the land, altered the DNA, our killing in Falujah will go on a thousand years then another. We have condemned their children and their children's children.

[northener]

Hang on a minute, Fred.

Where does it say that Coalition forces have been proved, beyond reasonable doubt, to be responsible for this?

[fred]

Hang on a minute, Fred.

Where does it say that Coalition forces have been proved, beyond reasonable doubt, to be responsible for this?

Yeh yeh, the Americans say "we know of no official report" but neglect to say they refuse to let any officials in there to make a report.

We fired at least two and a half million pounds of nuclear waste at them, don't give me the reasonable doubt excuse.

[onecalledk]

it is IRRELEVANT who caused it, the suffering will continue until man realises that wars dont solve problems.

Wars divide they dont unite. We ALL SHARE this planet. Its like throwing a stone into a pond and the ripples it causes. Those who have been affected in this case by being damaged by the chemicals are in the inner part of the ripples.........

K

[northener]

Yeh yeh, the Americans say "we know of no official report" but neglect to say they refuse to let any officials in there to make a report.

We fired at least two and a half million pounds of nuclear waste at them, don't give me the reasonable doubt excuse.

So, guilty as charged then. Job done.

Next.

[roadbowler]

northerner, the proof is in the pudding. What's quiet right now in the mainstream media is that our soldiers are dying from cancers and all sorts because of their exposure using depleted uranium. They've been testing urine of sick soldiers and they are heavily exposed! Their children are being born with birth defects too. Not only that, got any clue as to how much depleted uranium was dropped in and about the solway firth while they were testing these weapons? These weapons violate international law and we've been using them other places, including the balkans not just iraq. Good posts onecalledk!

[northener]

northerner, the proof is in the pudding. What's quiet right now in the mainstream media is that our soldiers are dying from cancers and all sorts because of their exposure using depleted uranium. They've been testing urine of sick soldiers and they are heavily exposed! Their children are being born with birth defects too. Not only that, got any clue as to how much depleted uranium was dropped in and about the solway firth while they were testing these weapons? These weapons violate international law and we've been using them other places, including the balkans not just iraq. Good posts onecalledk!

This appears to say differently:

http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q746.html

[Anfield]

Saddam started it. Who was the worst?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3738368.stm

Ever heard of Porton Down in Wiltshire?

[The Drunken Duck]

Ever heard of Porton Down in Wiltshire?

Been there, whats your point ??

[The Drunken Duck]

So, guilty as charged then. Job done.

Next.

Have you seen the "Man Eating Badger" accusations from 2007 ?? .. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6295138.stm

Highly Amusing.

[northener]

Ever heard of Porton Down in Wiltshire?

Certainly have, Anfield.

[Anfield]

Been there, whats your point ??

Take your pick:

http://www.rense.com/general39/secret.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...fare-mortality

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porton_Down

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Christopher_Kelly

Just four of many.

Also, can I ask in what capacity you visited Porton Down? or is that "hush hush"

[northener]

Have you seen the "Man Eating Badger" accusations from 2007 ?? .. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6295138.stm

Highly Amusing.

And a sad indictment of how some people are ready to attach blame without the benefit of an investigation and evidence......

[ducati]

This appears to say differently:

http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q746.html

Thanks Northener, thought I'd seen that somewere.

Another reason to look further than the histerical on the Internet. As the answer says don't divert attention from the search for the real causes.

[northener]

Take your pick:

http://www.rense.com/general39/secret.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...fare-mortality

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porton_Down

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Christopher_Kelly

"

Anfield, what are you getting at here? Interesting, flawed in places and irrelevant in others......but I fail to see what this has to do with Feluja?

[Stavro]

it is IRRELEVANT who caused it, ...

No. It is extremely relevant who has caused this.

Here is what a US military-man said: "No studies to date have indicated environmental issues resulting in specific health issues." And then, "Unexploded ordinance, including improvised explosive devises, are a recognised hazard."

Here is what a medical doctor on the ground is saying: "We are seeing a very significant increase in central nervous system anomalies. Before 2003 [the start of the war] I was seeing sporadic numbers of deformities in babies. Now the frequency of deformities has increased dramatically. Most are in the head and spinal cord, but there are also many deficiencies in lower limbs. There is also a very marked increase in the number of cases of less than two years [old] with brain tumours. This is now a focus area of multiple tumours." - Dr Ayman Qais, Director and Senior Consultant, Falluja General Hospital.

(Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...#ixzz0hDkYIkSw )

The article carries a photo taken in Fallujah -



Notice the infrastructure that the Iraqis had before the illegal American invasion - modern street lighting, telegraph poles, electricity transformers, wide pavements, well-laid roads, a mixture of buildings and trees.

And look at it now.

We are supposed to believe, like dummies, that things are "improving," because we have restored (actually this word is rarely used I think) the electricity supply to the hospital. As if the West is doing them some sort of favour being there!!!

[northener]

No. It is extremely relevant who has caused this.

Here is what a US military-man said: "No studies to date have indicated environmental issues resulting in specific health issues." And then, "Unexploded ordinance, including improvised explosive devises, are a recognised hazard."

Here is what a medical doctor on the ground is saying: "We are seeing a very significant increase in central nervous system anomalies. Before 2003 [the start of the war] I was seeing sporadic numbers of deformities in babies. Now the frequency of deformities has increased dramatically. Most are in the head and spinal cord, but there are also many deficiencies in lower limbs. There is also a very marked increase in the number of cases of less than two years [old] with brain tumours. This is now a focus area of multiple tumours." - Dr Ayman Qais, Director and Senior Consultant, Falluja General Hospital.

(Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...#ixzz0hDkYIkSw )

The article carries a photo taken in Fallujah -

Notice the infrastructure that the Iraqis had before the illegal American invasion - modern street lighting, telegraph poles, electricity transformers, wide pavements, well-laid roads, a mixture of buildings and trees.

And look at it now.

We are supposed to believe, like dummies, that things are "improving," because we have restored (actually this word is rarely used I think) the electricity supply to the hospital. As if the West is doing them some sort of favour being there!!!

Whoah, stop righ there Stavro. No-one is denying there is a problem with birth defects in Fallujah. The dispute is over what's causung them.

The US response is simple. "unexploded ordinance is naughty" that sounds like it has been cherry-picked from a wider statement and has no real bearing on what the problem is.

Going on about how Fallujah used to look will not move the discussion forward regarding what caused the deformities, it'll just blur the whole thing into another Coalition/Anti-Coalition heap of crap..