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This thread gets better and better and certainly gets the mind thinking and I cannot recollect any mention being made of "Korky's yacht". He had a boat here in Wick which he got from the Fife area hence the KY regestration and the above quoted name, the correct name for the boat was the Ecconomy, does anyone remember it? I am of course speaking about George Sinclair. :lol:
hi interested to know if any one has pictures of the stack rock,as bill wiseman was my grandad.the stack rock went to gibralter not long after being sold and was seized by customs for drugs,the last i heard she was a house boat in amble.have a few old pictures of them at sea hauling the ropes aboard on the deck.
Tony the Metha was lost in March 1934 The boat that was coming behind her was the Syrenen FN133 The four crew lost were Skipper Karl Neilsen who left a widow and two young children, Karl Halgren ,a widower who was survived by two sons, Jacob Jacobsen who was engaged to a Wick lady ,they were due to be married three weeks after the accident and Borje Quist aged 15 years old ..all were from Fredrikshavn
I have a couple of pictures of her when she was Jeannie Mackay III before she was Stack Rock , lying in Lochinver & entering Wick harbour with the flags up. There was a pic of her in the P&J when Wiseman sold her , the new owners planned to take her around the world but I do know she was in Amble as a house boat - no sure if she still is but Ill find out for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by gcmac
Tony Just noticed a typo in there ..The Pursuit was WK160Quote:
Originally Posted by peter macdonald
Tony Yes there was also a Jeannie MacKay ...............(one)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tighsonas4
She was WK316 built in MacDuff in 1927 LOA 37 ft Keel 33 ft Beam 12.3 ft Draft 4.1 ft
8.53 Tonns Gross and Nett She came to the MacKay brothers of Helmsdale 15/8/1927 and was sold to Golspie owners 3/5/1932 She then was sold to Peterhead 13/2/1933 I think she was used for cod nets lines and herring as there is no mention of a seine net winch in her
Jeannie MacKay 2 was LOA 54 ft keel 49ft Beam 16.5 Draft 6.8ft 27.26 Tons Gross and Nett Built for Helmsdale 11/7/1938 in Buckie She was sold to Robert Andrew Coffey of Portavogie in 1948 Skipper was John Mackay
Jeanie MacKay 3 WK197 was sold to Alister Henderson and Bill Wiseman and became the Stack Rock .She was built by Thomson of Buckie for John (Pow) MacKay and others of Helmsdale in 1948
have most of korkys exploits but never knew he had a yachtQuote:
Originally Posted by Mizpah
mizpah was another seiner taken by the admirality and was in scapa
they kept the names of drifters but took the reg off regards tony
Peter, I have a wee bit of information on the Jeannie Mackay II for you, the chap said she was commandeered by the Navy during WWII.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter macdonald
He said she remained in British waters during the war. However, Angus and John Mackay (pow) got another boat to replace her after she was commandeered.
This boat was called Joey Mackay. I have never seen any photos of her or don`t know what size she was. The only thing I know is she was also commandeered because she had a Gardner engine.
She was the boat that went to South Africa and being in tropical waters her hull was so badly attacked by teredo worm that it was not safe or viable to bring her home.
When she was commandeered Angus and John got a 40ft boat with a 44hp Kelvin engine, called Hazel. I can remember her well and she was also very successful.
When Jeannie Mackay II returned after the war the Hazel was sold by a public auction held on the pier in Helmsdale and was bought by a man Garden from Cullen who worked her out of Aberdeen until he retired.
In those days there was a 3 mile limit for seine netting except for boats under a certain size were allowed to fish in Aberdeen bay and this is where she worked and was still going strong when I was at collegein 1965.
Amy The Joey MacKay WK197 was originally called the Janet in Wick She became Joey Mackay on 5/9/40 when she was sold to Helmsdale She was built in MacDuff in 1932 and was sold to JS Duncan and Mrs M Campbell of Wick on 19/1/1937 Alex Miller skippered her She sold was to Thurso on 14/1/1039 where David Thomson was skipper/owner and then as I say to Helmsdale to Messers J,T and J MacKay with John MacKay as skipper
She went on war service 12/4/1943 LOA 40 ft Keel 34.5 ft Beam 13.9 ft Draft 4.7 ft 11.76 Tons Gross and Nett
The Hazel WK171 was built in 1933 at Hopeman She came in to Helmsdale owners as above on 28/5/1942 having been registered PD230 She was sold exactly as you say to Cullen on 17/7/1946 LOA 39.6 ft Keel 35 ft Beam 13 ft Draft 5,2 ft 12.05 Tons Gross and Nett
There was a lot of small seiners/herring boats in Helmsdale in the 30s/40s Launch Out Highdale HomeCliffe etc
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Economy was owned by TD More and was skippered for a short time by George Sinclair but mostly by George Thain She came up from Pittenweem as KY 28 on arrival 10/6/1955 Built in 1927 at MacDuff LOA 54.5 ft Beam 16ft Draft 6.3 ft 24.72 Tons Gross and Nett
Her registry was cancelled 11/12/1959 but she was unused/broken up in 1957 (according to the owner)
Tony I have the details of the Mizpah ,,,,,just cant find them in this mess of paper!!!
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Thanks for that Peter, Im told that the Jeannie Mackay III & 5 other boats are the vessels that pioneered Clash & Lochinver. This is definatley the best thread weve ever had on .org imo , thanks for contributing so much to it PeterQuote:
Originally Posted by peter macdonald
the george sinclair mentioned was most probably[korky] seem to remember her amongst the fleet tonyQuote:
Originally Posted by peter macdonald
The Valhalla Wk171 She came from Ullapool UL99 Duncan Sutherland sold her to Hugh Carter in 1973 .Built Miller St Monance in 1954 she was 51ft LOA and 23,55 Tons Gross and nett I think it was Kelvin 120 engine?? that was in her She was lost by fire cant remember what year but I think Fletter was in her when it happened 1976???
there was a time i think when seiners were kept to under 50 feet as over that the skipper required a ticket
i know some had an old mannie on board just because he had a ticket
dowdum was one who used to do this tony
:lol: Hi sorry for confusing you but I remember as a youngster when the Ecconomy came and Korky was the first skipper someone asked what KY stood for and one of the harbour wits at once said it stands for Korkys Yacht and she was known as that after that, she was a boat similar to the Ivy but a little bigger. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tighsonas4
"Thanks for that Peter, Im told that the Jeannie Mackay III & 5 other boats are the vessels that pioneered Clash & Lochinver".
Yes Ive heard that as well On the shore side Wull Sinclair (Royal and Mountain Dew) was heaving involved in the selling of fish in that area
Thanks for the comments appreciated
Mizpah thats brilliant :-)))
The Ivy was built by Stephens MacDuff in 1933 and as you say was a bit smaller Jockie MacLeod bought her from Lossie after he sold the Mahri Bhan to Wales and sold her to Jackie Ross and then she went to Stornaway
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that makes it all clear lol and it also brings out the type of humour that made the old days what they were regards tonyQuote:
Originally Posted by Mizpah
Amy the JL and C MacKay WK112 was built in MacDuff in 1931 Owners were James,Angus,Neil and John MacKay LOA 41ft Keel 35ft Beam 14.2 ft Draft 5.5 ft 14.48 Tonns Gross and Nett Skippers given as John and Neil Mackay She was sold to Alex Sutherland of Brora and renamed Jan El Mar and then was sold to Lerwick in March 1962Quote:
Originally Posted by Amy-Winehouse
Hope this helps
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wulls was heavily involved in quite a lot and could well have been in clash and lochinver too. he was a sleeping partner in a lot of things tonyQuote:
Originally Posted by peter macdonald
I started the Wick Fishing Boats thread expecting a few replies from some nostalgic Wickers,but have been astounded by the great stories and detailed lists of boats especially supplied by Peter .Thank you all for participating ,I think it is time to close the thread,
Best wishes J Leith
Some people have said that I closed this thread prematurely as some more boat stories may still be out there.Thanks to those that have sent in infoQuote:
Originally Posted by jock leith
JL
[quote=jock leith;466700]Some people have said that I closed this thread prematurely as some more boat stories may still be out there.Thanks to those that have sent in info
dont know if there is any more to come but it was one of the best threads that was on here in my time thanks to all and especially peter regards tony
I am in complete agreement it has to be one of the most interesting threads ever started and has provoked much discusion and interest.
I am not a resident of the county but have many friends there who at various times have had a sea heritage and as I orginate from a fishing town with many memories of luggers etc, it has been fascinating.
Hope there is still more to come.
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Originally Posted by LIZZ
Thank you for your reply LIZZ ,the harbour holds so many memories for me as a child.All my mates and I spent some wonderful times fishing under the old wharf etc.I still go back on holidays and it's sad to see the harbour so deserted,but the memories will live on in my heart.
regards JL
Remember in the 40,s and early 50,s at the harbour on a summer evening. Lots of locals and visitors about, all the boys fishing for tiddlers and peltags. The sun always shone and the peltags just got bigger and bigger!1
What a wonderful thread, loved the stories, great thanks for the best thread on Caithness.Org.
I got this link from a friend of mine
http://nationalhistoricships.org.uk/...vent/newSearch
and it shows some WK seine netters as they are today ..If you look in the fishing boat part there is Barcadale which was the Ebeneezer WK135 that the late Ernie Miller and James Sutherland skippered ,the Gleaners WK325 that Rory Bremner and then Robert Swanson had
, the Rival WK123 that Bill Wiseman skippered and the St Vincent WK117 that Jock Rosie owned. The site also has the Isabella Fortuna and other historic boats that visited Wick recently. There are also some seinenetters that were fairly frequent visitors to Wick such as the Bon Ami Enterprise and Challenge (ex Transcend)
It also mentions the Primula but with scant detail
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Peter once again you have come up trumps with a great web site for browsing throuht some of the old fishing boats .
You deserve a medal for bringing so many great memories back for so many orgers
Regards JL
yet another good site for browsing through peter thanks all the best tony
Yes that site with preserved boats well worth a look but a lot of the boats have changed a lot since there fishing days. What about the grounds the WK boats used to work. On the Wick side there was the Pouts Johndies Partans South Head Nells Sound Fisher Ma Kellys Graveyard Treasure Barnies Courage Sannie Sutherlands Quoy Hd Lights Spittal Hill Point O The Ord Murrys Hillhead 55 Minutes Burma . West there was Blue Mountain Blue Bell Stormy Bank Sandside Cnoc Skolomies Maggie Fleming and a lot of other bits beside. Many a coil of rope was pulled over these bits and many a box of fish was taken off them.
My brother says you missed out!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bonami
Copinsay!!!![lol] Skaill Bay, The skerries, The Grandstand, The Noup, 16 miles the back of the sule, Suleskerry.
Smith Bank, Jocky Bhans, Jean Dugle , The Skater!!! The Skate hole , The sooth deeps, the cock, navidale hole,
in no particular order Im afraid- He says he was at Rockall & St.Kilda in bigger boats from elsewhere but Copinsay was the one he dreaded the most- sma` haddies with their eyes no open yet!!
Absolute slaughter but the crack was pretty good, rather him than me
Dont know just how accurate this is
http://www.sarclethistory.co.uk/inde...letfishing.jpg
I think the museum in Buckie has a couple of good charts of where the fishing grounds were around here and the west
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this is another site to muse through peter
by the way the bobbie was never out of rackwick. bet there was a few cut and runs out of there cheers tony
There was a yarn of a certain Wick skipper who was shooting his net in thick fog when he completed his shot and was returning to his dhan he found that the cruiser had found it first. The crew of the cruiser had picked up his dhan and well into hauling the first coil of rope. How true this tale is I dont know but remembering stories about this well known skipper of the past it is just possible.:lol::lol:.
i couldnt name him as i dont know but could tie it up to one or two that would be probabels tonyQuote:
Originally Posted by bonami
Could this possibly have been the indominatable Capt Swanson perhaps :-))
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to be quite honest that was no1 that crossed my mind [lol] tonyQuote:
Originally Posted by peter macdonald
Thats the mannie lads. Many a story about him some true others never proven. There dosnt seem to be his type around anymore. Mores the pity.:lol::lol:
theres certainly numerous ones that cant be proven but really he wasnt a bad sort at heart [was never beat ] tonyQuote:
Originally Posted by bonami
discussion today
our robert was in buckie and didnt want to wait for someone to come down to sail with him. decided to come up with her himself, he set off and on the way over decided to go down for a coffee ,he happened to fall asleep and there was a boat reported going round in circles
the services were called and that ploy became one of his problems [lol] tony