It has been said by a couple of people on here now that No voters are too scared to vote yes.
Perhaps we should enlighten them. Careful what you say though boys and girls, we wouldn't want to upset anyone.:eek:
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It has been said by a couple of people on here now that No voters are too scared to vote yes.
Perhaps we should enlighten them. Careful what you say though boys and girls, we wouldn't want to upset anyone.:eek:
Back in the 60/70's I was a fully paid up card carrying member of the nationalist party, but I lost faith in them during the 1970 Election campaign, the dirty tricks that were pulled by the Edinburgh Area was unreal, it sickened me of nationalist politics from then on. I see no difference today in the tactics that were played back then. So I will and have always been a committed NO voter since.
Because first and foremost I am proud to be from the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland and I wish to remain that way.
Secondly there are far too many questions that have remained unanswered and potential problems that remain unresolved.
Thirdly I believe the fatman is on a power trip and to hell with the repercussions.
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Whee did I say i hated the man?
I said he is on a power trip and does not care about what is left afterward, all in my opinion.
Also it was the third and least important factor in my decision making.
Not that it was a tough decision to make, took roughly 0.3 seconds to decide.
I'm voting no because I am not 100% satisfied Independence is right for Scotland. Rather a no vote and we stay part of the UK than a yes vote and it all goes tits up.
Eh Hem...
Quoting Colin from the Reason Day thread:
"Both posts weren't what was asked for and therefore going off topic and trolling. If you want to start a "No Reason Day" thread then feel free, I'd be happy to delete any Vote yes posts from that thread".
Cheers
Colin
I want to vote NO because i don't see answers to the economic future and well-being of my country from the current Scottish Parliament.
But, and it's a big BUT! (no, not kardashian style either....tch tch really...)
I so want to vote YES because i feel it is right for the country and right to at least have a go on our own.
.....and stick two fingers up to the rest of the world.
Personally i would prefer to see Scotland independent of the UK AND the EU. The last thing i want to do is vote yes for independence and then get the country brought down by joining the EU again. I reckon if Salmond was toting a YES vote coupled with a NO to EU membership, the YES party would be seriously ahead!
Im 100% no, cos " I fear the elephant in the room" the unmentionable by all parties actually : and no, its nothing to do with the EU in / out, monetary union / trident : We are not a united nation, we are historically a divided nation, with the bulk of population living in west scotland, holding different beliefs / values amongst themselves which certainly differs from most of the rest of Scotland. I see trouble ahead if the vote is yes : anyone like to speculate where / why they can see the trouble ??
do you think it will ignite warfare based on religious bigotry?
Interesting, its quite possible these folk that believe in mythical characters can be volatile.
Not warfare per se, but the facts are that a certain % of the west of scotland population see themselves as unionists, another % as Irish / Scots ( seperated by religous divides ) and a certain % non committal either way, and this is in the area of the largest population : nutters make up a certain % of any society, I fear that some folk are not going to be to chuffed that their identities will be taken away, ie made to be Scottish : Im British / European and if its a yes vote I will have to accept that overnight my nationality will change whether I like it or not, my fear is some wont be so, shall we say, accepting of this scenario. Or maybe life will just trundle on with same old apathy ? Or maybe old loyalties and identites will keep pressing on regardless of a yes vote, dunno, but sectariansim is in the here and now, and wont vanish overnight because we are all Scottish, not British. The SNP have had links with loony / extremist elements in the past on the road to where they are now thats a proven historical fact, so maybe,just maybe, loony elements will spring up to protect their identities ! We are not, nor have ever been a united nation, everyone honestly knows the divide in west of scotland and Ive struggled with the notion of an independant Scotland on that very basis....we are not a united nation, thats the fatal flaw as far as I see it.
All parties have had links with the loony/extremist elements in the past - it's the nature of political parties to attract the politically unstable to their ranks. The Tories have had Fascist and right wing extremists, the Labour party have had communist and hard left extremists. Maybe one day the Green party will have Emerald ultra-green weirdos? No nation is a "united" nation; otherwise we would be in a Big Brother scenario, where everybody was forced to think (and vote) the same way. All we can do is accept that we have been given the chance to make our voices heard, weigh the arguments and make our decisions.
So why are you voting "NO" again??
God knows, I was avoiding this thread until it started raining again this morning. At least I have had some success with my other wee debate, after hassling everybody I could think of http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-27143426 I still can't believe that nobody else cares where their TV licence fee goes - maybe nobody else on here is as poor as I am.
I'm voting No because I wear my Union Jack like a football shirt.
Ach ah know fine well it's only a bit of Braveheart blow but you got to put it in there :-) FREEEEDOOOOOMMMMMM!!! stabba stabba snippety snip...
As for the current wahoos, parliament or ministers, nobody, not one of them, is giving truthful or proper answers on the economic and well-being of Scotland if a yes vote happens. I also don't like that fact that the pompous pink podge is hell bent on throwing us back to the mercy of Brussels either if the yes vote goes through. It's a lose-lose lose-lose...er did i say lose-lose? situation whichever way you look at it.
I'm no voting no.
I'll say the same to you Pirate Lassie as I said to Big Gaz. Bin you Braveheart DVD. But also get your head in gear and start thinking logically about the practicalities. NATO - stay in, but get out of Faslane? Have our own defense force? Oblige England to continue to pay for Scottish windfarms?
And massive grid upgrades? Will there be a border? Will Scotland have an immigration policy? Will the Welsh need a visa to come here?
Start thinking PL, a referendum is only for yes or no. After that there would be a long time wondering what the hell have we got ourselves in to and how are we to get out of this mess.
to all those voting no your quite welcome to stay in the united kingdom, if the yes vote wins, move
You know lol it so only NO voters who mention Braveheart as a reason people are voting YES. Thinking practically ywindy there are no reasons why any of the issues you raise are not achievable in an Independent Scotland. In fact all the information about why they are achievable is out there. The energy issues you raise seem to suggest that an Independent Scotland would do just the same as what it does now as part of the Uk. We can choose something completely different and vote in 2016 for alternatives in a way we can't do now. The border visa and immigration issues are all answered and planned for. Scotland ALREADY has a border - nothing would change, an Independent Scotland would NOT require people from Wales to obtain a visa to visit Scotland and immigration policy would be decided by a Scottish Government and designed to meet the needs of an Independent Scotland in a way which Westminster's policy does not.
Lol lol lol. I decided you had let the thread move on without my help so I could now step in without influencing its direction. Although maybe it's just me you have a problem with :( . Also you know I can't see misunderstanding, misinterpretation, confusion lies or nonsense posted without trying to redress the balance a bit don't you. :)
You are here cos you want to be. You will be given the absolute right to stay here on the day of independence and that will never be able to be taken away from you Ducati. Everyone living in Scotland on Independence Day will have a right to Scottish Citizenship. Even if you choose not to take it up. That's in addition to the rights you have as a British or EU citizen. Your rights as an English Person living in Scotland are protected up the ying yang no whim of anyone will take that away from you.
Lol Ducati, I can read between your lines.
You on the other hand assume so much. To suggest that the post is posted by an anti English You assume that either all no voters are English or all English people are no voters. Neither of which is true.
You also assume that tisIivy is a Scottish Nationalist when that is not evident. You also assume that the post was from a Yes Voter when it may actually have been from a No voter and leaving Scotland is what they are doing.
You know if you are worried that tisIivy was one of the English hating bigots you see at every YES meeting you haven't been to or on every YES stall you haven't approached on the street or in every YES supporting household you haven't visited. You could have asked further questions of the poster before jumping to conclusions. But then that would not suit your poor persecuted minority persona and might even have lightened the chip you seem to be carrying around with you these days.
A wise person I once knew said "Assume makes an ass of you and me" - but only if I let it. I'm not and You should be smarter than that.