Gleber2.............
I'll be picking a bone wi you[lol] [lol]
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Gleber2.............
I'll be picking a bone wi you[lol] [lol]
This is certainly an interesting thread and we've seen some of the more amiable orgers play their hands, DrSzin getting down and dirty with the fission.......Canuck revealing all about her varied faiths and almost disagreeing with someone ;) and Gleber2 coming as close to the finest literature prose as this forum has ever seen....wow!
I'm impressed. However.......you can't all be right.
I agree with Gleber2's belief that the end is coming.....so we haven't long to wait to find out eh?
Maybe this will interest you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gleber2
Thanks Pt. I have been a firm believer in something akin to the Gaia theory for a long time. A perfect system with humankind the only flaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by pultneytooner
I'm sorry you feel that way but if you ever want to come and seek help the ofer is still open. I don't judge people by their negative posts, even those who have problems with ego and humility. I worry about the insularity of some of our fellow Cathnessians. Go out and sample a bit of life outside of it and come back and tell me I'm wrong. Travel afar. Have you ever travelled to Koenigsburg or Rostock? They are mind expanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chobbersjnr
Sometimes I have the feeling that people don't take me seriously, especially when I introduce esotoric concepts like global consciousness into the equation. It isn't all pot noodle nonsense you know. It's the subject of serious research by scholars from Princeton. Got to this site for the gory details. It's been proved here.
There you go again. Putting your kind down without good reason. If you truly understood Gaia you would know you couldn't possibly say humankind is a flaw. The whole idea behind Gaia is that living systems balance themselves despite imbalances caused by man or any external influence or effluents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gleber2
How well does an immune system balance itself against, say, ebola virus? It doesn't, it dies. We are Earth's ebola virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by crayola
It's something of a mystery to me how people conclude that humans are always the villains of the piece. Maybe it's low self-esteem :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnought
OK, we're not a particularly prepossessing lot for a good deal of the time. We are, though, the product of evolution.
Try this:
In evolution, genetic change has produced a series of creatures which ended up as top predator. It used to be dinosaurs when size and bulk was important, now it's us because brains are important.
The purpose of evolution is the refinement of the DNA genetic message.
The purpose of DNA is to reproduce itself
The purpose of Gaia is the provision of an environment (a nursery if you will) for the DNA genetic message to be safe
Humans represent the highest expression so far of DNA and are the first DNA creation with brains and skills enough to have a chance to get off the planet
Ultimately, when the science and engineering is mastered, humans - the DNA "fruiting body" - will leave the earth and spread through the solar system and then wider, increasing the chance of DNA survival.
Perhaps in doing so it'll become necessary for DNA to fight for its own survival against some form of life based on a different "DNA" (different "DNA" but with the same built-in imperatives of survival / reproduction etc) and so evolution carries on. Perhaps that's why aggression and violence seem to be so much a part of animals, especially us. It's a valuable genetic trait in the survival stakes. Not survival of the human - of the DNA.
If you believe the Gaia philosophy, why not look at it positively, and view the wonders humans have achieved and are yet to achieve as part of the grand design? We have no information one way or the other so there's no point making yourself miserable, unless of course you enjoy being miserable......
The mushroom analogy above works rather well. All the action in fungus is in its mycelia; they grow and whiffle away happily under the ground where it's safe and they're invisible. Then it needs to reproduce and up pops a mushroom to dump a load of spores. Humans are the mushroom, created only to be able to spread their DNA, to ensure its survival. Perhaps there's some Galactic Antonio Carlucci waiting to pick us and fry us up with garlic...... :lol:
Do I believe all this? No. But then I don't believe in Gaia as an organism either. Although there are things which continue to make me think and wonder about how well my hard science upbringing explains some of what goes on - or seems to go on - in the world. There.......I've said it! Arrgghh.......
Glad to see you back from your travels Crayola, did you clock up many airmiles on your broomstick?:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by crayola
No seriously, glad to see you back, need some other views in here these days, although I am not a believer, what a change from the usual conspiracy threads. I am learning new words like "esotoric". As for travel expanding the mind, every been to Goose bay, Rimouski, Sept Illes or Isle aux Morts, now they ARE mind expanding
Glastonbury used to be pretty mind expanding.....
Wish folk wuld at leest get the spelin korrekt wen thay yous mistereus wurds.......
You make too many assumptions when you talk to me, my dear aspiring witch. Do not assume that I have not travelled. I have, extensively. How can I ask help from some-one who admits to taking weekend courses in Wicca. It's not that I don't take the subject matter of your posts seriously, it's you in your org persona that I find amusing. You are not alone in your use of esoteric terminology but you show an intellectual pride in your carefully bought knowledge which I find amusing although you patronising attitude is a wee bit annoying. Having you reply to me in your usual condescending fashion is like a first year pupil trying to impress a senior with what he has learned.Quote:
Originally Posted by crayola
Observing the sorry state of poor old Gaia and the insanity of the human race
how can I not put down my own kind. The system is so out of balance that no immune system can put it right. My attitude is not at all negative, it is completely realistic and is based on a continuing observation of the game and our ecosystem for over thirty years using what was learned in the previous thirty. Dreadnought has the right of it but I consider the human race to be a cancer, not a virus
Your posts are beginning to read like a petulant complaining little boy venting his spleen. Lighten up Pict:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by MadPict
Glastonbury in the seventies taught me a lot about the subjects under discussion and was quite mind expanding.
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Originally Posted by j4bberw0ck
Where this all falls off the rails for me is somewhere in the murkiness between the altruistic Gaia concept of genetic survival and the worldly reality of vengeance as a way of life.
It was written very much tongue-in-cheek; I just wanted to show that another (and more positive) view is possible from the same background concept. Albeit a more positive view which relegates humanity to being the vehicle by which DNA spreads beyond this small planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
Your post may have been tongue-in-cheek but I think there are too many people in this world who take Dawkins-style "selfish gene" ideas much too literally. IMHO Dawkins suffers from being far too reductionist in almost everything he pontificates on. I'm no great fan of Phil Anderson's opinions but I think he's spot on when he makes a big fuss about his claim that More is Different. Blaming the human race's actions on genes alone is like saying that all of Chemistry is electromagnetism, and all of Biology is explained by Chemistry, therefore the actions of human beings are explained by electromagnetism. In a naive sense it's true, but it's utterly useless in practice, and you can't use it to predict or explain the actions of man or any other complex living creature.Quote:
Originally Posted by j4bberw0ck
I quite enjoyed the thought of humanity as a mushroom. :lol: Deep in the malodorous stuff, here today, gone tomorrow and eminently edible between times. Well, some, anyway. Fundamentalist mushrooms of any persuasion might stick in the throat; a few might explode spontaneously. Witchy "magic" mushrooms could drive you insane as they alter perceptions of reality (this is intended to be light-hearted and not to cause offence!). Politicians might be puffballs - because what they say is a load of both, as they try to make themselves larger than life. <sticks head above battlements> I wonder what sort of mushrooms would bulletin board contributors be? [lol]Quote:
Originally Posted by DrSzin
One of the varieties of Amanitas, most of which are poisonous.[evil]Quote:
Originally Posted by j4bberw0ck
I'm glad your Gaia post was tongue in cheek as I was on the verge of risking falling out with you again.
Every system is stable until the balance is pushed beyond saving and, like a row of dominoes, it only takes one push to bring it all down. No amount of philosophic optimism will save our bacon when the time comes. As in the case of many old people, the auto-immune system will go crazy in Old Mother Earth and the whole ecosystem will collapse.Quote:
Originally Posted by crayola
The earth will adapt and survive, even if it means extiguishing humankind.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gleber2
That is the optimist's cop-out.:RazzQuote:
Originally Posted by pultneytooner