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Can you believe 132 million doses of swine flu vaccine were ordered and due to the colossal miscalculation, millions of doses are unwanted? Britain is giving away £1billion of swine flu vaccine. Excess swine flu vaccine may be given or sold to the third world. [disgust]
annemarie482
14-Jan-10, 18:58
i was offered it for my two kiddies under 5.
i refused.
i weighed up the risks and decided i dont think they know enough about it yet to allow them to inject my kids with it!
personal choice but maybe others felt the same.......
onecalledk
14-Jan-10, 19:00
hence the HUGE marketing campaign urging us all to take the Swine Flu vaccine.... they had stock piled it ages ago for a disease epidemic that never took off. So what better way to get through all your unwanted medicine than to create even more hype and misinformation about Swine Flu and panic people into taking the vaccine.........
The drugs companies hold the strings on everything from drugs to food and their influence is gaining all the time.......
K
hence the HUGE marketing campaign urging us all to take the Swine Flu vaccine.... they had stock piled it ages ago for a disease epidemic that never took off. So what better way to get through all your unwanted medicine than to create even more hype and misinformation about Swine Flu and panic people into taking the vaccine.........
The drugs companies hold the strings on everything from drugs to food and their influence is gaining all the time.......
K
Staggering scenario!
redeyedtreefrog
14-Jan-10, 19:33
Why wouldn't you take it? It's tested the same as the seasonal flu vaccine, and even if the drugs companies held the strings on everything, doesn't mean that the vaccines are dangerous.
tonkatojo
14-Jan-10, 19:37
On the other hand if they hadn't got as much and the virus had mutated and people were keeling over left right and centre, the hang em brigade would be out no doubt. Some times it's right to be over cautious as in this case, that's my opinion. (non professional ).
Can you believe £132 million doses of swine flu vaccine were ordered and due to the colossal miscalculation, millions of doses are unwanted. Britain is giving away £1billion of swine flu vaccine. Excess swine flu vaccine may be given or sold to the third world. [disgust]
So £132 Million were ordered and now £1 Billion is going to be given away. That does not compute at all.
redeyedtreefrog
14-Jan-10, 19:48
And i think the millions unused doses were meant for people who now don't want it, if you're so outraged by this then go get the vaccine.
tonkatojo
14-Jan-10, 19:50
So £132 Million were ordered and now £1 Billion is going to be given away. That does not compute at all.
Aye but it sounds good. ;) or is that bad. ??
So £132 Million were ordered and now £1 Billion is going to be given away. That does not compute at all.
My mistake - the original post should read 132 million doses, not £132 million - I have edited it now. :)
Why wouldn't you take it? It's tested the same as the seasonal flu vaccine, and even if the drugs companies held the strings on everything, doesn't mean that the vaccines are dangerous.
Your points were well aired on another thread some weeks ago.
Whether people take the vaccine or not is up to them, but for whatever reason the pharmaceutical companies have made another fortune on something which might work, might not, might be dangerous, might not be, but certainly it was not thoroughly tested.
tonkatojo
14-Jan-10, 20:05
My mistake - the original post should read 132 million doses, not £132 million - I have edited it now. :)
Does that mean each dose cost £7.57 each ??
My mistake - the original post should read 132 million doses, not £132 million - I have edited it now. :)
Still does not compute because a single dose of Swine Flue Vaccine costs £7, then 132 million Doses would cost £924 Million. This is less than the £1 Billon give away that you claim.
Even George Brown cant give away more than he ordered.
Also why would there be 132 million doses ordered when there are only 60 million people in the UK.
Definately something wrong there.
Does that mean each dose cost £7.57 each ??
A little over £7 each one, yes, and the Daily Mail science reporter, Fiona MacRae, rounded the cost up to £1 billion.
(Source: Scottish Daily Mail, 9 January, 2010, page 2.)
ShelleyCowie
14-Jan-10, 20:13
Yes its a waste indeed. [disgust]
I refused the swine flu vaccine in the end, refused it for my son and my OH refused it too. We have our reasons.
tonkatojo
14-Jan-10, 20:16
A little over £7 each one, yes, and the Daily Mail science reporter, Fiona MacRae, rounded the cost up to £1 billion.
(Source: Scottish Daily Mail, 9 January, 2010, page 2.)
132 million doses ordered minus how many used = what ??
Edit section -
Also why would there be 132 million doses ordered when there are only 60 million people in the UK.
Definately something wrong there.
Just noticed your edit. This was supposed to be administered in 2 doses was it not?
66,000,000 x 2 = 132,000,000
:eek:
Yes its a waste indeed. [disgust]
I refused the swine flu vaccine in the end, refused it for my son and my OH refused it too. We have our reasons.
i was offered it for my two kiddies under 5.
i refused.
i weighed up the risks and decided i dont think they know enough about it yet to allow them to inject my kids with it!
personal choice but maybe others felt the same.......
Yes, we weighed up the pros and cons and refused it, too.
redeyedtreefrog
14-Jan-10, 20:21
and I'm guessing they're not giving away all of their vaccine stockpile, so the 1bn still doesnt quite make it.
A little over £7 each one, yes, and the Daily Mail science reporter, Fiona MacRae, rounded the cost up to £1 billion.
(Source: Scottish Daily Mail, 9 January, 2010, page 2.)
Even if it cost £1 Billion for all the swine flu vaccine how is it possible to give away £1 Billion worth of swine flu away.
No majority of swine flu vaccine were just a single dose. That is what I had and everyone I know only had one dose as well.
Originally it was thought that two doses given 21 days apart would be required for full efficacy. Subsequent testing has allowed the UK programme to consist of just a single dose for most people, with a two-dose schedule for children under the age of 10 years and immunocompromised adults.
As of 3 December 2009, 11.2 million doses of Pandemrix have been delivered to health services in the UK, where the vaccine forms the bulk of the governments mass vaccination programme. This is no where near the 132 million you claim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemrix
So your figures still do not compute.
Mind you I would never ever trust anything that the Daily Mail prints.
and I'm guessing they're not giving away all of their vaccine stockpile, so the 1bn still doesnt quite make it.
Suppose we have to take account of admin charges, storage charges, shipping charges and the like?
Whether its £1,000,000,000.00 or £999,000,000.00 it is still rather a lot of money raised from taxation revenues.
tonkatojo
14-Jan-10, 20:24
Yes, we weighed up the pros and cons and refused it, too.
I too weighed up the pro's and cons, listened to advice, and decided not to take the chance of dying of swine flu and had the vaccine.
Happy Guy
14-Jan-10, 20:27
Many years ago, I worked in the marketing department of the company that manufactured the vaccine under discussion, and I can say that they seemed, in my opinion, to be the most money grabbing and devious marketing organization I can imagine and I am relieved that I no longer work for them
Many years ago, I worked in the marketing department of the company that manufactured the vaccine under discussion, and I can say that they seemed, in my opinion, to be the most money grabbing and devious marketing organization I can imagine and I am relieved that I no longer work for them
Ha, ha. Nice observation, Happy Guy! :D
tonkatojo
14-Jan-10, 20:30
Many years ago, I worked in the marketing department of the company that manufactured the vaccine under discussion, and I can say that they seemed, in my opinion, to be the most money grabbing and devious marketing organization I can imagine and I am relieved that I no longer work for them
I totally agree with your diagnosis of drug company's, but should the government have played roulette with the nations health in this case, every thing is easy with hindsight.
Ha, ha. Nice observation, Happy Guy! :D
Personally I would rather the government spend One Billion Pounds on a Vaccine than the One Trillion Pounds that they spent on bailing out the greedy banks.
I think no matter how much the swine flu vaccine cost it was well worth it.
Personally I would rather the government spend One Billion Pounds on a Vaccine than the One Trillion Pounds that they spent on bailing out the greedy banks.
I think no matter how much the swine flu vaccine cost it was well worth it.
I do not agree with the "bail-out," for sure.
Whether the vaccine worked or not remains to be seen.
Do I trust bankers? No. Do I trust pharmaceutical companies? No. Where is all of this funny money coming from? No prizes for guessing that one.
Whether the vaccine worked or not remains to be seen.
Its worked for me......I'm cured [lol]
northener
14-Jan-10, 21:17
On the other hand if they hadn't got as much and the virus had mutated and people were keeling over left right and centre, the hang em brigade would be out no doubt. Some times it's right to be over cautious as in this case, that's my opinion. (non professional ).
Absolutely, remember the endless pages of droning on here and elsewhere about Swine Flu and how we were all going to die?
Stavro, you're complaining about an insurance policy. You wouldn't be posting your comment if we'd had to call on that insurance....
northener
14-Jan-10, 21:19
I do not agree with the "bail-out," for sure.
Whether the vaccine worked or not remains to be seen.
Do I trust bankers? No. Do I trust pharmaceutical companies? No. Where is all of this funny money coming from? No prizes for guessing that one.
Come on Stavro, your paranoia is showing. You're not suggesting that the Gubberment should have just ignored the issue and not stockpiled vaccine?
northener
14-Jan-10, 21:23
Many years ago, I worked in the marketing department of the company that manufactured the vaccine under discussion, and I can say that they seemed, in my opinion, to be the most money grabbing and devious marketing organization I can imagine and I am relieved that I no longer work for them
Like banks, retail, arms, MP's, investment...blahblahblah........they're all out for what they can get. i've never worked for a large corporation that wasn't driven by lining shareholders pockets.
i have no prob at all for the excess to be given away to third world countries to help those in much poorer circumstances than us. if we as a country have choosen not to take it , thats ok.. to each his own.. but at least if they give it away.. then it will be helping those that need it in places that would normally not be able to have it.
Come on Stavro, your paranoia is showing. You're not suggesting that the Gubberment should have just ignored the issue and not stockpiled vaccine?
"Gubberment"? Nice one. How about, "grubbyment"? :D
What was the question? O yes, stockpiling vaccine. My view is that this "swine flu" was engineered in a lab by the same people who offered the gubberment/grubbyment the vaccine to cure it.
If in doubt, refer to Simon and Garfunkel for wisdom - "Any way you look at this you lose." :eek:
redeyedtreefrog
14-Jan-10, 21:58
My view is that this "swine flu" was engineered in a lab by the same people who offered the gubberment/grubbyment the vaccine to cure it.
Wow. Just, wow. :eek:
onecalledk
15-Jan-10, 11:08
have to agree with Stavro if you look into the way the drug companies work its an eye opener. The drug companies and the government are testing things well in advance of ever telling the people anything. You get told what they want you to know about. The food industry is linked in with the drug companies. Our food is full of harmful chemicals that are no good for general health, it suits the companies to produce food that contains little nutrients because then we can be fooled into buying vitamins over the counter which the drug companies make. Its a win/win for them.
Swine flu probably was created in a lab and the vaccine is NOT thoroughly tested, it was rushed through too quickly , the effects if there are any will not show for years yet in the people that took the vaccine. As everyone has a different biological make up then it makes sense that one vaccine will NOT cure everyone.
If you go back years ago to Thalidomide that was billed as a safe anti sickness drug and look what happened there......
Just because a drug company tells you there drug is a miracle does NOT make it a miracle. There bottom line is PROFIT . How can you trust a company whos sole objective is PROFIT. Health then does not come into it.
K
Still does not compute because a single dose of Swine Flue Vaccine costs £7, then 132 million Doses would cost £924 Million. This is less than the £1 Billon give away that you claim.
Even George Brown cant give away more than he ordered.
Also why would there be 132 million doses ordered when there are only 60 million people in the UK.
Definately something wrong there.
Some people,like myself had to have 2 injections...........
Yes, we weighed up the pros and cons and refused it, too.
I had my 2 injections,just a sore arm for a few days.........nothing else,still here to tell my tale.Felt much happier once it was done and safer too.
But ,that said,still respect others reasoning too.;)
Also why would there be 132 million doses ordered when there are only 60 million people in the UK.
More than one vaccination to confer immunity is needed.
More than one vaccination to confer immunity is needed.
Originally it was thought that two doses given 21 days apart would be required for full efficacy. Subsequent testing has allowed the UK programme to consist of just a single dose for most people, with a two-dose schedule for children under the age of 10 years and immunocompromised adults.
So no, more than one is not necessary, some children under 10 and immunocompromised adults have had two but that has only been a small percentage.
As of 3 December 2009, 11.2 million doses of Pandemrix have been delivered to health services in the UK, where the vaccine forms the bulk of the governments mass vaccination programme. This is nowhere near the 132 Million doeses that is claimed withing this thread.
sevenfortyseven
15-Jan-10, 17:00
Its like MMR all over again! If I got the opportunity to take a vaccine I would take it. Swine flu vaccine works the same as any other vaccine and is produced in exactly the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine.
Isn't the reason why theres a massive stockpile that its only been offered to athsmatics, the elderly, etc..??
It's a good job were not paranoid!
So the powers that be ordered a wagon load of vaccines in preparation, fortunately it didn't end up like Survivors and they've got half a wagon load left.
Be grateful they got it wrong the right way.
Ok so a drugs company earned some pennies, big wow.
As for creating the disease in a lab so they can miraculously appear with the vaccine......hmm, been reading too many Hollywood scripts maybe.
I know a guy, a Doctor in fact, maybe Professor, smartypants either way and I call him Dr Dave 'cos it annoys him. Anyway I digress, he does research into these types of virus'sses and other microbio diseasy type things. I really don't understand it all but the point is, nature mutates these things at a pretty fantastic rate.
This is part of the reason we have MRSA and other Superbugs, they mutate and change their own defence systems against ours (Dr Dave's) drugs and stuff that are created to fight them.
As I understand it, it's an ongoing battle and we're playing catchup.
sevenfortyseven
15-Jan-10, 17:43
It's a good job were not paranoid!
So the powers that be ordered a wagon load of vaccines in preparation, fortunately it didn't end up like Survivors and they've got half a wagon load left.
Be grateful they got it wrong the right way.
Ok so a drugs company earned some pennies, big wow.
As for creating the disease in a lab so they can miraculously appear with the vaccine......hmm, been reading too many Hollywood scripts maybe.
I know a guy, a Doctor in fact, maybe Professor, smartypants either way and I call him Dr Dave 'cos it annoys him. Anyway I digress, he does research into these types of virus'sses and other microbio diseasy type things. I really don't understand it all but the point is, nature mutates these things at a pretty fantastic rate.
This is part of the reason we have MRSA and other Superbugs, they mutate and change their own defence systems against ours (Dr Dave's) drugs and stuff that are created to fight them.
As I understand it, it's an ongoing battle and we're playing catchup.
here here.
If you go back years ago to Thalidomide that was billed as a safe anti sickness drug and look what happened there......
Just because a drug company tells you there drug is a miracle does NOT make it a miracle. There bottom line is PROFIT . How can you trust a company whos sole objective is PROFIT. Health then does not come into it.
K
Valid points, K.
And Phill's, too, about mutation in viruses.
Originally it was thought that two doses given 21 days apart would be required for full efficacy. ...
As of 3 December 2009, 11.2 million doses of Pandemrix have been delivered to health services in the UK, where the vaccine forms the bulk of the governments mass vaccination programme. This is nowhere near the 132 Million doeses that is claimed withing this thread.
The orders placed by government to the pharma companies were based on the original thought of multiple doses that you allude to, and the fact that the original plan was to vaccinate the entire population. Once the orders were placed, you can bet that there would be no opt-out clause.
The amount left over just indicates the very low take-up rate.
Do you think that the science reporter at the Mail made the figures up?
tonkatojo
15-Jan-10, 21:22
Valid points, K.
And Phill's, too, about mutation in viruses.
The orders placed by government to the pharma companies were based on the original thought of multiple doses that you allude to, and the fact that the original plan was to vaccinate the entire population. Once the orders were placed, you can bet that there would be no opt-out clause.
The amount left over just indicates the very low take-up rate.
Do you think that the science reporter at the Mail made the figures up?
Come on Stavro, news paper reporters telling the truth are like rocky horse dung.
Come on Stavro, news paper reporters telling the truth are like rocky horse dung.
[lol]
Okay, okay, okay.
I thought this thread was going to be about organised drug cartels.
Valid points, K.
Do you think that the science reporter at the Mail made the figures up?
Er... Let me think about this..........Difficult one this........Now let me see, would a reporter exagerate figures to sell newspapers..........I would say a BIG YES..
Neil Howie
16-Jan-10, 23:22
Originally Posted by Stavro http://forum.caithness.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.caithness.org/showthread.php?p=645195#post645195)
My view is that this "swine flu" was engineered in a lab by the same people who offered the gubberment/grubbyment the vaccine to cure it.
Thought Stavro was off his rocker, until I read this, or listen as a podcast, from those good people at naked Scientist::eek:
Chris - What are the present theories about how they arise?
Adrian - Well, the simplest theory that has been put out is that perhaps it’s an entirely natural occurrence. We believe that most ‘flus are getting around in birds so presumably it’s got around in birds. However, this new flu shows no relationship with birds. All of its most immediate ancestors are viruses of pigs. Therefore, you’ve got to believe where it’s got around in pigs. But the real problem with that is that it clearly has three separate parents. And one of those parents was in North America some years ago. One was in South East Asia. And one was in Europe. So you got to think of getting three pigs from different parts of the world together to make the new virus.
Chris - So what you’re saying is when you, sort of, molecularly interrogate the genetic history of what we’re seeing as the H1N1 swine flu pandemic, you can see that it must have three independent bits of parentage. And the big question is, “Well, how on Earth did all those parents come together to infect the first person who got this?”
Adrian - That’s right. So if they were brought together by pigs, for example, say through live pig trade between continents, it means that quarantine, which has worked for dozens of years in the past, has somehow broken down on at least two occasions. If you got to get three things together in one part of the world, one might be there originally. The other two have to come through quarantine to leave the country and come through quarantine to get into a country. So that’s one possibility. The other possibility which we have put into this paper that we have published is that we’ve been thinking, could have they got together by some sort of laboratory error? We know that virologists pass viruses from one another around the world for use in their laboratories, for identification, for making vaccines and so on. What sort of conditions might three viruses have got together in one place in order to be able to shuffle their genes and produce the new pandemic flu?
read it all at was swine flu man made (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/podcast-transcript/transcript/2009.12.13/)
--- Insert smug quote here ---
The drug companies and the government are testing things well in advance of ever telling the people anything. You get told what they want you to know about. The food industry is linked in with the drug companies. Our food is full of harmful chemicals that are no good for general health, it suits the companies to produce food that contains little nutrients because then we can be fooled into buying vitamins over the counter which the drug companies make. Its a win/win for them.
Vitamins, micronutrients and other natural health approaches are the arch-enemies of the pharmaceutical industry, because they are not patentable. Even more importantly, they effectively help prevent and control diseases, because they correct the malfunction of millions of cells in our body as the primary cause of disease. It is becoming increasingly more difficult to obtain natural vitamins that have not been synthetically produced.
All this knowledge has been banned from being applied to medicine in favour of the multi-billion dollar investment business with patented drugs.The pharmaceutical industry is not a 'health industry'. It's an investment business. The business with disease makes more profit than any other industry on earth. :roll:
toodiemac
17-Jan-10, 21:33
“Swine flu may have started in laboratory, expert says
20 May 2009
The man who helped develop the Tamiflu flu anti-viral drug believes the swine flu epidemic has been caused by human error. Adrian Gibbs says the H1N1 virus may have been man-made and was passed to humans after a handling mistake at a laboratory.
Gibbs, who has studied germ evolution for 40 years, is to publish a paper about his theory, which he developed after studying the swine flu virus’s genetic blueprint. “One of the simplest explanations is that it’s a laboratory escape,” he told reporters from Bloomberg.
Viruses are developed on eggs, and Gibbs believes the new H1N1 strain may have accidentally evolved before being passed to humans. He has discovered that the strain mutates three times faster than the most closely-related viruses found in pigs, which suggests it had evolved outside of swine.
It would not be the first time a virus has ‘escaped’ from a laboratory. Earlier this year the avian flu virus made its way into a consignment of seasonal flu vaccines, which were destined for around 18 countries in Europe.
Some scientists also suspect that the Russian flu outbreak of 1977 was started when a virus was accidentally released from a laboratory.
(Source: Bloomberg.com. May 13, 2009).”
toodiemac
17-Jan-10, 21:49
For those who believe that it just couldn’t happen, remember that avian flu was very nearly released into the population by a large pharmaceutical company last year (or it may have been the year before). The company said that it had been a mistake.
It was a large batch of seasonal flu vaccines which were infected, and that was some mistake to make! However, it gets worse - that very same batch of seasonal flu vaccine had not been attenuated either (which seasonal flu vaccine always is) which is another massive mistake to make! The combination of the un-attenuated seasonal flu vaccine mixed with the avian flu vaccine – well it just doesn’t bear thinking about, a real serious pandemic situation. Anyway, not only were those two huge mistakes made, and the vaccine batch very obviously wasn’t tested, but all this was only discovered by somebody (I seem to remember it was a lab technician or something) who decided to test the batch after receiving it for distribution. That somebody did not have to test it, and was not under instructions to test it, they did it of their own back (thankfully).
Now, it’s hard to use the word ‘impossible’ in science, but the chances of the above happening purely by chance are, well, as impossible as you could get really given all the safety procedures in place. It’s all fact, so definitely not some made-up conspiracy theory by the way, before anybody decides to go down that route.
toodiemac
17-Jan-10, 22:02
Another thing I found really interesting is that pharmaceutical companies produce what they call mock-up vaccines, i.e. they get a vaccine made, tested and therefore ready to use should the need arise quickly i.e. in a pandemic situation (Tested in so much as it can be, remember it's not the final vaccine which will be used). All the ingredients and additives are used and then added to that is a flu strain. Now the European guidelines (don’t know off hand the exact details but I could probably link to them if anybody wanted) state that the flu strain chosen for the mock-up should be one which pretty much the whole population would have no resistance to whatsoever, to enable adequate testing. That vaccine is then registered (some European thing).
In November 2008 when the mock up flu vaccine was registered the strain of flu which was chosen to go in it was swine flu. It was then tested (though I don’t know where about in the world the testing took place) and lo and behold – we have a swine flu outbreak the following April.
Now, I know that an attenuated flu vaccine can’t actually give you the flu, but as I pointed out in my previous post it’s perfectly possible for the vaccine company to ‘make a mistake’ and release the vaccine without it being attenuated – not just possible, it has happened.
Make of that what you will – maybe I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist actually ;) but it’s all fact, no fiction. I think it all deserves a great deal of thought really.
Pharmaceutical companies are based upon profits, not ethics. Why should we believe their "mistake" claims? Oil companies are geared on profit, too; is it a "mistake" when they do not pass on reductions in crude prices? :eek:
roadbowler
18-Jan-10, 02:00
great post toodiemac! And must say i agree with stavro about the pharmaceutical industry and their arch enemy. Natural holistic medicine works and not a lot of profit to be made. Pharmaceuticals create more illness than cure as far as i can make out or else it wouldna be the 3rd largest industry in the world. Btw. Pandemrix was not the only vaccine used in the uk. Not saying it'll make up the numbers but, worth mentioning. Tuesday. WHO hearing. Subject: faked pandemics. Interesting. For the person who said these swine flu vaccines were tested all the same as any others. Show me where. They haven't. There is not one clinical trial saying the vaccine will lower the mortality rate of swine flu. Not one. Btw. The seasonal flu jab only lowers the death rate of seasonal flu overall by 1%. I'll say it again. 1% because it don't work.
roadbowler
18-Jan-10, 02:07
btw. What i forgot to say was, the stupidest thing about this whole charade is the government were placing orders and buying this vaccine before ANY type of testing was done to see if it even bloody worked. Do you buy a car before seeing it works? No. The government spent hundreds of millions of your money on a vaccine that they didn't even know worked for a fabricated pandemic that never happened. You couldna make it up, could ye? Lol
btw. What i forgot to say was, the stupidest thing about this whole charade is the government were placing orders and buying this vaccine before ANY type of testing was done to see if it even bloody worked. Do you buy a car before seeing it works? No. The government spent hundreds of millions of your money on a vaccine that they didn't even know worked for a fabricated pandemic that never happened. You couldna make it up, could ye? Lol
Staggering, isn't it? :)
“Swine flu may have started in laboratory, expert says
20 May 2009
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Swine Flu Linked to 1918 Influenza Pandemic
In 1918 a human influenza virus known as the Spanish flu spread through the central United States while a swine respiratory disease occurred concurrently. A Kansas State University researcher has found that the virus causing the pandemic was able to infect and replicate in pigs, but did not kill them, unlike in other mammalian hosts like monkeys, mice and ferrets where the infection has been lethal.
So it looks like Swine Flu has been around longer than you think, to read more click on the Link Below :-
http://blogs.discovery.com/news_animal/2009/05/swine-flu-linked-to-1918-influenza-pandemic.html
Also as reported here at Wikkipedia
1918 pandemic in humans
The 1918 flu pandemic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic) in humans was associated with H1N1 and influenza appearing in pigs;[/URL] this may reflect a zoonosis either from swine to humans, or from humans to swine. Although it is not certain in which direction the virus was transferred, some evidence suggests that, in this case, pigs caught the disease from humans. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_influenza#cite_note-Pandemic-18) For instance, swine influenza was only noted as a new disease of pigs in 1918, after the first large outbreaks of influenza amongst people. It is estimated that anywhere from 50 to 100 million people were killed worldwide. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_influenza#cite_note-Knobler-15)
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_influenza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_influenza#cite_note-24)
purplelady
18-Jan-10, 23:16
Not everyone was offered it which i thin k we should have been I have the seasonal one my son had his and he was fine i think had i been offfered i would have had it waht makes me mad if they have so much left over then why not offer it to everyone then sell off the rest
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