View Full Version : Will Caithness die without Dounreay?
Dounreay is the biggest employer in the county but it's going to close soon.
Will there be mass unemployment or a mass exodus of ex-Dounreay workers on the scale of the Highland Clearances or will offshore renewable energy, Atlantic oil, increased tourism or some other new industry save us?
I fear for the worst but that may just be my ignorance of recent developments.
What do you think?
well its going to be some time before it closes forever and there will be a gradual reduction in staffing levels. and besides that they appear to be building more than they are tearing down. also next door is to be decommissioned at some point. so who knows realy. and then there are a lot of very well off people whos intrests would not be best served by its closure so i dont see the gravy train coming of the rails quite yet.
cazmanian_minx
25-Oct-09, 14:32
I reckon there's something big coming in. A lot of land's been changing hands between Scrabster and Forse, Babcock's bought Dounreay Site Restoration Limited and I've seen a few Babcock Rail vans running about the place.
Ooh, this is Caithness speculation at its best. :D
What could it be? A new nuke station, a tidal or wave power base, an oil base, a giant Asda or a landing site for aliens?
I like the alien theory. Could do with a boost to the tourist industry.
It could be the wrong sort of aliens. :eek:
Does anyone know what's happening on the marine energy front?
I love your sig Katarina. :)
cazmanian_minx
25-Oct-09, 15:02
It could be the wrong sort of aliens. :eek:
Does anyone know what's happening on the marine energy front?
I love your sig Katarina. :)
This is the latest I can find on marine energy:
http://www.renewableenergyfocus.com/view/2113/pentland-firth-wave-and-tidal-energy-leasing-round-gets-42-applications/
The licences were originally supposed to be awarded over the summer, but it looks like it's slipped back.
well they actualy bought ukaea
cazmanian_minx
25-Oct-09, 15:57
Sorry, got my levels wrong! It's UKAEA that owns DRSL isn't it?
not realy sure i think they may of had a controlling share..perhaps not
riggerboy
25-Oct-09, 16:58
no way will caithness die without dounreay we have tesco now lol
Ooh, this is Caithness speculation at its best. :D
What could it be? A new nuke station, a tidal or wave power base, an oil base, a giant Asda or a landing site for aliens?
You asked the question so why are you so sarcastically moking the answer?
If and when it does happen its gonna be really hard for Caithness to recover!
What is there left to keep us or even the next generation employed??
Nothing...
Yeah there is Tescos and the other supermarkets, I assume Tesco emloys the most of all the supermarkets and they employ what a couple of hundred max?
How many does Dounreay employ between staff and contractors a thousand, a couple of thousand??
Big difference there!!!
Let's face it, Dounreay pays wages comparable with the Civil Service. It gives a good pension, it gives good annual leave, etc. So what can replace it? Let's remember that before Dounreay came along the population of Thurso was only 3000 at most, yet now's it around 9000.
I don't know what the remainder of population of Caithness was pre-Dounreay however I'm assuming here that it has increased dramatically since it's inception.
What else is left post Dounreay? BT? BT in Manpower clothes. Rolls Royce? Due to close circa 2014.
What we need is impetus in the local economy from the Government in some sort or other, but don't know what that will be.....let's hope 2025 isn't the real end date.
Bobinovich
25-Oct-09, 18:14
Even though Dounreay is the biggest single employer and contract employer in the area, I believe that many businesses, once dependent on the site, have realised the long-term demise of the site and have been diversifying into other areas in anticipation of the run-down. I also understand that the Dounreay site is itself in the process of diversifying in order to try and retain jobs in the longer term.
I do feel that something (possibly including offshore renewables) will turn up to take on the mantle, although it's more likely to be multiple small and medium employers rather than one big one. This is a positive development as having all your eggs in one basket is not a good long term strategy - too many communities have died because of it.
As an incomer to the area (albeit 30+ years ago) and small businessman myself (no height jokes please :Razz), I fervently hope there is sufficient work to sustain those who choose to stay here.
I would suspect the closure would be felt locally, but not affect the rest of Caithness so much?
tonkatojo
25-Oct-09, 19:15
What would the reaction be from the population if we told Salmond where to go, and invited another nuclear company to build another generating reactor and ditch all those ruddy windmills.
What would the reaction be from the population if we told Salmond where to go, and invited another nuclear company to build another generating reactor and ditch all those ruddy windmills.
Don't get me started on those bloomin' windmills [disgust]
What a blot on the landscape :eek:
Bobinovich
25-Oct-09, 19:33
What would the reaction be from the population if we told Salmond where to go, and invited another nuclear company to build another generating reactor and ditch all those ruddy windmills.
Would have no problem with that but generating plant really should be built closer to where it's needed - i.e. where the industry & population are. That's one of the problems I have with all the turbines - surely they should be sited nearer to the areas of high demand to minimise tranmission losses.
tonkatojo
25-Oct-09, 19:42
Would have no problem with that but generating plant really should be built closer to where it's needed - i.e. where the industry & population are. That's one of the problems I have with all the turbines - surely they should be sited nearer to the areas of high demand to minimise tranmission losses.
The idea was to also generate jobs and wealth for the Caithness economy not elsewhere. :(
I've heard that when we all make the exodus out of Caithness then the herring is thinking about making a comeback.
tonkatojo
25-Oct-09, 20:09
[QUOTE=Rheghead;612110]I've heard that when we all make the exodus out of Caithness then the herring is thinking about making a comeback.[/QUOT
Aye but the EEC fishing fleet will get wind of them and decimate them again. :(
Would have no problem with that but generating plant really should be built closer to where it's needed - i.e. where the industry & population are. That's one of the problems I have with all the turbines - surely they should be sited nearer to the areas of high demand to minimise tranmission losses.
Doesn't seem like that will be a problem shortly: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8325105.stm :confused
pentlandlad
25-Oct-09, 21:29
Dounreay is the biggest employer in the county and it's going to close soon.
Just be grateful that it has brought wealth to the County over the years, plus of course lots of hot spots, but of course it could have been worse, the only reason it was located here was because they were not sure if it might blow up. May be the Government in Westminster all those years ago, was not to concerned about Caithness or its people, they are probably only interested now in getting of the sinking ship, and keeping as much money as they can carry. As for renewable energy and the millions already invested in Orkney, i am just hoping Caithness may get a few crumbs from the cake.
redeyedtreefrog
25-Oct-09, 22:02
Come on the renewables!
Come on the renewables!
Aw c'mon that sounds pretty boring always the same stuff an' all!!:D
oldmarine
26-Oct-09, 06:43
This should be an interesting topic. I plan to stay with this thread to see how things develop for Caithness. I remember Dounreay was a big employer when I was in Thurso.
well if its closing how soon is soon..?
Bobinovich
26-Oct-09, 16:24
Approx. 2025 according to DSRL's website (http://www.dounreay.com/decommissioning)
captain chaos
26-Oct-09, 18:41
Reply to tonkatojo
No point wishing for a new nuclear power station as when built it would employ less than 100 people.
Less than Tescos!!
Dog-eared
26-Oct-09, 18:51
I think theyr'e going to build a railway between the planned expanded port of Scrabster and Dounreay for transporting radioactive waste.
captain chaos
26-Oct-09, 19:36
Before they will need any railway a storage facility would have to be built in the UK and that is a long time from now.
What would the reaction be from the population if we told Salmond where to go, and invited another nuclear company to build another generating reactor and ditch all those ruddy windmills.
Thats the best idea ive heard in years its about time they realised nuclear power is the way froward and a clean form of energy, those sodding windmills are nothing more than a eyesore at best and not worth anything to anyone except the land owners that have allowed them on
George Brims
27-Oct-09, 00:19
Would have no problem with that but generating plant really should be built closer to where it's needed - i.e. where the industry & population are. That's one of the problems I have with all the turbines - surely they should be sited nearer to the areas of high demand to minimise tranmission losses.
Maybe wind turbines are better situated where there is more wind?
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