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Quillen

31-Aug-09, 01:28

Any one with any connections please contact me. I want to know more on Mary Anne Campbell wife of William Mowat (my GGG gran parents) who are the Ivrach and Munro connection in my grandfathers name James Ivrach Munro Cormack B.1898 Cai,SCT any little clue will be a great treat.

My info starts here;
1) John Cormack circa 1775 m. Christian( Christy) Davidson Mar 1,1799 Halkirk

2) William b.15 dec 180? Bower d. 28 sept 1869
Alexander 1803
John b.1805
Christian b.1807
Ann b. 1810

2) William Cormack m.Catherine Sinclair(b. 1791? d.16 may 1876 Thurso) 26 sept 1821 Thurso

John b.1821
3) Alexander b. 11 Feb 1824 Dunnett d. 9 feb 1907 Thurso
George b.1827
Christian b.1830

3) Alexander Cormack m. Jean (Jane) Brotchie (b.29 may1826 Dunnett d.9 dec 1906 Olrig) 8 aug 1846 Olrig

William b.17 dec1846 Dunnett christened 19jan1847
4) James b.28 may 1848 Dunnett christened 1july1848
John b. 1851
Jane b. 1854

4) James Cormack m. Margaret Mowat (b.27 Sept 1849 christened 31 May 1850 Olrig d.5 Apr 1940 Thurso)
daughter of William Mowat and Mary Anne Campbell married 24 Jan 1873 Olrig, Cai,Sct

5) Alexander Campbell Cormack b.27may1873Olrig d.196? Grenwich,CT
Maryanne B.13 July 1874 Dunnet d.1968 m. Benjamin McGregor (b. 25Feb1874 Olrig D.18June1930) 29 June1905 Haster, Wick.
Jane
Margaret
William
Katherine
James
Sarah married (Mckenzie? moved to Canada
John
Donald married Anne Sinclair
George b.1892 married Elizabeth Mary Bain14 Jul 1916 Manse, Halrik, Cai,SCT

5) Alexander Campbell Cormack occupation ploughman m. Isabella Bremner 18 June1897 (b.1875 Canisbay, Cai) http://brebner.com (http://brebner.com/)
daughter of George Calmer Bremner b.Mar 1835 d. 13Feb1924 Canisbay occupation fisherman
Isabella Sinclair Geddes b.06 Nov 1839 d.18 Sep 1926 Canisbay (Isabella's parents Thomas Geddes and Mary Peddie)

6) James Ivrach Munro Cormack b.27 Jan 1898 d.29 Oct 1985 Santa Barbara,Ca.

Margaret (Peggy)Cormack married William Glasgow

George married Isabel Hamilton from Trune

Isabella (Bella) married Sid Tambling

Alexander (Alec) married Molly H Hamilton b.1910 d.2008 Santa Barbara CA. from Trune (Isabel and Molly where sisters)

Mary married George Brown from Trune

Alexander Cormack(5) and his children all moved to the states. NY then Connecticut. The three sons went on to Santa Barbara Ca.
George Alec and James all passed away in Santa Barbara. Peggy and Bella stayed back east were they too passed away.

http://cormackhistory.blogspot.com/

quillenfoley@gmail.com

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Family names of interest ~ Cormack ~ Calmer ~ Campbell ~ Davidson~ Brotchie ~ Geddes ~ Ivrach ~ Munro ~ Mowat ~ Peddie ~ Sinclair

Tricia

31-Aug-09, 12:52

Hi
At present our Caithness CORMACK do not link directly - not yet.
However a couple of links in your tree on your Bremner line.
Christina Manson my 1c4r marries Alex Bremner b 1834.
also
Isabella Bremner b 1786 who marries David Kennedy- their daughter Helen Kennedy marries my 1c4r Alexander SINCLAIR.
Tricia

annifanny

01-Sep-09, 05:22

Hi trying to find info on Isabella cormack married to william calder 19october 1811 in thurso she was born abt 1790 thurso they had 3 Daughters Diana, Barbara?,Margaret.

Diana married James Mowat south Leith Midlothian 13.3.1848
they are my g g grandparents
margaret married a smith and became a calder smith.
If any one is out there I would love to hear from you .
My family came to new-zealand to live in 1860s

Annie

Rosemary Skea

22-Sep-09, 02:41

Do you know where the Ivrach (Iverach) connection comes from ? I have lots of info on the Caithness Iverach families as my great grand aunt married an Iverach.

Rosemary

Any one with any connections please contact me. I want to know more on Mary Anne Campbell wife of William Mowat (my GGG gran parents) who are the Ivrach and Munro connection in my grandfathers name James Ivrach Munro Cormack B.1898 Cai,SCT any little clue will be a great treat.

My info starts here;
1) John Cormack circa 1775 m. Christian( Christy) Davidson Mar 1,1799 Halkirk

2) William b.15 dec 180? Bower d. 28 sept 1869
Alexander 1803
John b.1805
Christian b.1807
Ann b. 1810

2) William Cormack m.Catherine Sinclair(b. 1791? d.16 may 1876 Thurso) 26 sept 1821 Thurso

John b.1821
3) Alexander b. 11 Feb 1824 Dunnett d. 9 feb 1907 Thurso
George b.1827
Christian b.1830

3) Alexander Cormack m. Jean (Jane) Brotchie (b.29 may1826 Dunnett d.9 dec 1906 Olrig) 8 aug 1846 Olrig

William b.17 dec1846 Dunnett christened 19jan1847
4) James b.28 may 1848 Dunnett christened 1july1848
John b. 1851
Jane b. 1854

4) James Cormack m. Margaret Mowat (b.27 Sept 1849 christened 31 May 1850 Olrig d.5 Apr 1940 Thurso)
daughter of William Mowat and Mary Anne Campbell married 24 Jan 1873 Olrig, Cai,Sct

5) Alexander Campbell Cormack b.27may1873Olrig d.196? Grenwich,CT
Maryanne B.13 July 1874 Dunnet d.1968 m. Benjamin McGregor (b. 25Feb1874 Olrig D.18June1930) 29 June1905 Haster, Wick.
Jane
Margaret
William
Katherine
James
Sarah married (Mckenzie? moved to Canada
John
Donald married Anne Sinclair
George b.1892 married Elizabeth Mary Bain14 Jul 1916 Manse, Halrik, Cai,SCT

5) Alexander Campbell Cormack occupation ploughman m. Isabella Bremner 18 June1897 (b.1875 Canisbay, Cai) http://brebner.com (http://brebner.com/)
daughter of George Calmer Bremner b.Mar 1835 d. 13Feb1924 Canisbay occupation fisherman
Isabella Sinclair Geddes b.06 Nov 1839 d.18 Sep 1926 Canisbay (Isabella's parents Thomas Geddes and Mary Peddie)

6) James Ivrach Munro Cormack b.27 Jan 1898 d.29 Oct 1985 Santa Barbara,Ca.

Margaret (Peggy)Cormack married William Glasgow

George married Isabel Hamilton from Trune

Isabella (Bella) married Sid Tambling

Alexander (Alec) married Molly H Hamilton b.1910 d.2008 Santa Barbara CA. from Trune (Isabel and Molly where sisters)

Mary married George Brown from Trune

Alexander Cormack(5) and his children all moved to the states. NY then Connecticut. The three sons went on to Santa Barbara Ca.
George Alec and James all passed away in Santa Barbara. Peggy and Bella stayed back east were they too passed away.

http://cormackhistory.blogspot.com/

quillenfoley@gmail.com

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Family names of interest ~ Cormack ~ Calmer ~ Campbell ~ Davidson~ Brotchie ~ Geddes ~ Ivrach ~ Munro ~ Mowat ~ Peddie ~ Sinclair

Quillen

27-Sep-09, 04:33

Do you know where the Ivrach (Iverach) connection comes from ? I have lots of info on the Caithness Iverach families as my great grand aunt married an Iverach.

Rosemary
That is the question I am trying most to find out. Just where did the Iverach and Munro come from. I have no idea yet. My gran dad was the first born son so his middle name might have been from a grand mother. But her name as far as I know was Peddie. Do any of your Iverach's have Cormack, Mowat,Bremner or Peddie connects? I would love any info you might have. I have a tree of all those I've been able to find so far here http://cormackfamily.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=cormackfamily&view=9&rand=993497719 In my search I have noticed Iverach and Munro's are not as large as other names to search through. Soon I hope to be able to pay for services to look up records I hope then to find more info. Keep me in mind if you find something.

Rosemary Skea

27-Sep-09, 22:44

Mary Peddie was born in Kirkwall Orkney 28th November 1801, parents John Peddie and Charlotte Sinclair.
The Iverach families were mainly in Halkirk and Thurso districts whereas the Geddes family lived in Canisbay. Have got Munroes in the Iverach family but from Halkirk. Need to take time and go through lots of data

Rosemary

Rosemary Skea

27-Sep-09, 23:04

I have just found the following in the MMI for Canisbay.

Lair #241

Thomas Geddes 11.4.1885, 91 w Mary Peddie 25.10.1865, ed da Eliz Manson, Melbourne.

in #240.

John Geddes 27.4.1922, 80, w Ellen Dunnet 10.11.1930 89. fam John 27.11.1922, 53, Thos drowned at sea 23.4.1895 22, Helen 11.2.1883 12, Mary 25.2.1883 7, Chas 28.2.1883 1, Mary Peddie 30.12.1871 d inf.

Rosemary

Rosemary Skea

28-Sep-09, 01:19

This is a copy from the Canisbay OPR transcript.

First date is date of birth and second is date of baptism. Gills is place of abode. Thomas is described as farmer/crofter/fisherman in the census records. Have looked for birth record of him but haven't found it yet.

8 May 1825 7 Jun 1825 Charlotte F Thomas Mary GEDDES PEDDIE Gills
14 Nov 1826 15 Jan 1827 Frances Sinclair F Thomas Mary GEDDES PEDDIE Gills
13 Nov 1828 6 Dec 1828 Elizabeth F Thomas Mary GEDDES PEDDIE Gills
16 Jun 1833 11 Jul 1833 Isabella Sinclair F Thomas Mary GEDDES PEDDIE Gills
5 Jun 1835 4 Dec 1835 John M Thomas Mary GEDDES PEDDIE Gills
2 Oct 1837 5 Oct 1837 Charlotte F Thomas Mary GEDDES PEDDIE Gills
6 Nov 1839 25 Nov 1839 Isabella Sinclair F Thomas Mary GEDDES PEDDIE Gills
11 Mar 1842 18 Mar 1842 John M Thomas Mary GEDDES PEDDIE Gills
9 Jan 1845 9 Feb 1845 Williamina F Thomas Mary GEDDES PEDDIE Gills
20 Dec 1830 14 Jul 1831 Anne F Thomas Mary GEDDES PEDIE Gills

Rosemary

Rosemary Skea

28-Sep-09, 04:29

27 September 1849 31 March 1850 Margaret F William MOWAT Mary Ann CAMPBELL Shepherd Grand daughter of James Mowat Netherside was born in Keiss parish of Wick and baptised by Rev W McKenzie
21 December 1850 9 February 1851 William M William MOWAT Mary Ann CAMPBELL Shepherd Born in Scrabster and baptised by Rev W Taylor Thurso
19 July 1852 12 September 1852 James M William MOWAT Mary Ann CAMPBELL Shepherd Born in Ratter and baptised by Rev D Campbell Dunnet

7 February 1826 William M James MOWAT Margaret WATERS Olrig Isabella Dass and Helen Mowat witness
20 April 1828 Margaret F James MOWAT Margaret WATERS Netherside Elizabeth Gun and Donald Waters witness
1 September 1830 James M James MOWAT Margaret WATERS Netherside Janet Waters and Elizabeth Mackay witness
23 Novemebr 1835 Helen F James MOWAT Margaret WATERS Netherside James McCorthy and E Cormack witness

Olrig CHurchyard #122

Wm Mowat, Smithy House Olrig 15.1.1909 82, w Maryann Campbell d Borgie, Olrig 15.7.1890 64, das Janet 9.9.1894 (h late John Couper), Mary Ann d Wick 5.7.1967 97, fa Jas d Netherside 24.12.1860 62, mo Margt Waters 18.5.1877 82

I have a Jane Waters born in Olrig who married James Iverach. Their daughter Elizabeth and son John married sister and brother Donald and Janet Munro from Halkirk.

I need to see if I can connect Margaret Waters and Jane Waters

Rosemary

Rosemary Skea

28-Sep-09, 04:52

Mary Ann Campbell was born in Reay 5th March 1825 , father William Campbell and mother Mary Moss

Rosemary

Quillen

05-Oct-09, 03:06

Mary Ann Campbell was born in Reay 5th March 1825 , father William Campbell and mother Mary Moss

Rosemarysomeone gave me Donald Campbell and Margaret Ayre? for parents and Birth 27 sept 1849 but I have not verified any of this yet

Rosemary Skea

07-Oct-09, 07:42

someone gave me Donald Campbell and Margaret Ayre? for parents and Birth 27 sept 1849 but I have not verified any of this yet

According to the inscription on the grave stone she was 64 when she died in 1890 which would have made her birth date 1825/26.

Rosemary

Tricia

07-Oct-09, 11:11

someone gave me Donald Campbell and Margaret Ayre? for parents and Birth 27 sept 1849 but I have not verified any of this yet

If born 1849 then she was not the one married to William Mowat and having children 1849 onwards.

Quillen

09-Oct-09, 01:40

someone gave me Donald Campbell and Margaret Ayre? for parents and Birth 27 sept 1849 but I have not verified any of this yet
I'm wrong the 1849 date i had was Margaret her daughter. I did have o possible Birth date for Mary Anne Campbell 01 Jan 1826, Olrig Mains d.15 Jul 1890 Olrig

Rosemary Skea

09-Oct-09, 22:39

In the 1851 census the family is at Scrabster and Mary Ann's place of birth is given as Reay

Rosemary

Mamie_2

10-Oct-09, 16:08

I ageree with Rosemary that it is the Reay one her parents are in Fresgoe in Reay up to 1861 for sure.

Mamie aka Maryann
We've been in contact Quillen regarding the Geddes connections.

Quillen

29-Oct-09, 01:32

I ageree with Rosemary that it is the Reay one her parents are in Fresgoe in Reay up to 1861 for sure.

Mamie aka Maryann
We've been in contact Quillen regarding the Geddes connections.Hi Maryann Just had contact with another distant family member his info is she was Born:05 Oct 1827 to William Campbell and Catherine Cameron and Died:15 July 1890 Olrig from Scotlands people. This sounds right.

Mamie_2

04-Nov-09, 23:21

Mamie_2

05-Nov-09, 00:44

Well I might accept William Campbell and Catherine Cameron as the IGI does have a Marion Campbell born to the above couple who married in Reay in 1824.

Marion was christened Feb 10 1825 in REAY though. She had two siblings born in Reay
Margaret 1827 and John 1826.
This could easily have been changed to Mary Anne over time.

There is a member submission for Mary Ann born 1826 at Borgie died 1890 but I would use the transcription first before accepting the member submission.

Rosemary might be able to confirm that it was in Reay and that there is or isn't any entry for Olrig that fits.

I certainly haven't found any evidence that would prove it couldn't be Marion.

Mamie

Mamie_2

06-Nov-09, 15:03

The Catherine who married William Campbell was born in 1800 the d/o of John Cameron c 1781, Sutherlandand Mour (Sarah) Campbell c 1781, Sutherland. John and Sarah both age 60 along with Hugh and Christy are in Reay in 1841 and both John and Sarah must have died before 1851 as there is only Hugh and Christy in Melvich.
She had siblings
Donald 1802
Elspate/Elizabeth 1804
John 1807
Christian 1809
Margaret 1809
Hugh 1812
Christian 1814
Angus 1820 he is in Olrig in 1841 and Keiss in 1851 I think

In 1861 and 1871 Hugh, the 2nd Christian(Christy), Angus and a neice Margaret Campbell are in Melvich.

Much earlier there is a baptism for a Katherine Cameron 1681 in Thurso whose mother was an Catherine Iverach.(father William Cameron ) a child begotten in fornication. An ancestor maybe?

John and Mour(FREEREG has Moira) married Sep 10 1799. Mour was from Portskerra at the time of her marriage.

Mamie

Quillen

08-Nov-09, 04:11

Quillen -are these parents from an 1890 death record for Mary Anne Campbell/Mowat?

I would accept that as proof although I felt that it was the William Campbell and Mary Moss one.

Just an aside though Iverach- has connections to Reay and Durness/Farr in Sutherland.
There are branches of Mckay's with Iverach and Abrach bynames. I think that is one reason I chose the daughter of Mary Moss as the correct one.

I will research the other one as far as I can go without spending additional money lol. I am poor at the moment.

MaryannMaryann I had a new distant cousin find me from this form she sent me an email and writes this "All your Cormack research tallies with mine except with regards to Mary Ann Campbell (later Mrs. William Mowat). I too made the assumption that she was the daughter of William Campbell and Mary Moss but she was in fact the daughter of William Campbell (fisherman) and Catherine Cameron. I got this information from her death certificate ( I used the Scotlandpeople site for my research). She died on 15th July 1890 at Olrig. As you know at the time of her birth there were no certificates just baptisms. I looked this up using her parents names and she was born on 5th October 1827 to William Campbell and Catherine Cameron and was known on the baptism certificate as Margaret. You will also have learned that nothing is as it seems! The same names crop up again and again and sometimes the baptism name does not quite tally with the "known by" name. She had a brother John born in 1826. William Campbell and Catherine Cameron were married in Reay in 1824. Too many William Campbells in Reay!"

Rosemary Skea

08-Nov-09, 12:56

Mary Ann's death certificate states that her parents were William Campbell (fisherman) and Catherine Cameron, but I have not found her birth as yet . Census records states that she was born in Caithness, Reay parish. When I was checking the census entries, I could not find the family in Caithness in 1861, but in 1871 they were at the Mains of Olrig, with 5 additional children ! Catherine - 14 yrs and Donald 12 both born at Lochalsh in Ross shire, and Janet age 10, Sarah age 7, John age 5 and Mary Ann age 1 all born in Olrig.

1841 a Mary Ann Campbell age 15 was a female servant at Sandside House in Reay. Her given age throughout the census has been consistent with a birth year of the latter part of 1825 or prior to July 1826.

I have found the marriage of William and Catherine 12 March 1824, but GROS only has records of Margaret born 5 Oct 1827 and John 19th August 1826. Not every birth was registered for reasons that we will never know. I have the film of Reay baptisms but they are not transcribed and I don't have my microfiche machine at the moment so can't look at the original data. I have moved home but won't be settled in my new home till around Xmas.
Remind me early next year and I will dig out the film and hopefully get the answer to Mary Ann date of birth !

Rosemary

Well I might accept William Campbell and Catherine Cameron as the IGI does have a Marion Campbell born to the above couple who married in Reay in 1824.

Marion was christened Feb 10 1825 in REAY though. She had two siblings born in Reay
Margaret 1827 and John 1826.
This could easily have been changed to Mary Anne over time.

There is a member submission for Mary Ann born 1826 at Borgie died 1890 but I would use the transcription first before accepting the member submission.

Rosemary might be able to confirm that it was in Reay and that there is or isn't any entry for Olrig that fits.

I certainly haven't found any evidence that would prove it couldn't be Marion.

Mamie

Rosemary Skea

09-Nov-09, 08:24

When son William was registered in Thurso Parish, his mother's name was given as Margaret. I looked back at the OPR's today and that is what I found. So can we now say that Margaret Campbell and Mary Ann Campbell is one person ? I think so.

Rosemary

Mamie_2

09-Nov-09, 20:36

Marion 1825 = Margaret 1827=Mary Anne who married William Mowat?

I think Margaret is a separate person from Marion who is more likely to be Mary Anne
ch Feb 10 1825(on the IGI on the same film as Margaret 1827 and John 1826) and quite consistent with her age in the censuses.

parents are listed as Willm. Campbell and Catherine Cameron.

I think Margaret was with her uncles Hugh, Angus and an aunt Christy in Melvich and still unmarried in 1871.

So is it Margaret or Marion or Mary Ann? hmmm

Mamie

Mamie_2

09-Nov-09, 20:48

I think William Mowat and Mary Ann are in Kirkton, Farr at Rhifail where William was a ploughman.

I actually think the Mary Ann at Sandside might more likely be the d/o of William and Mary Moss. Their 3rd son was ch William Innes Campbell. Naming a child to honour the local proprietor seems reasonable to me.

Need to check maps for the relative locations of Fresgoe, Sandside and Melvich lol.

Mamie

Quillen

21-Nov-09, 19:14

Quillen

21-Nov-09, 19:27

Do you know where the Ivrach (Iverach) connection comes from ? I have lots of info on the Caithness Iverach families as my great grand aunt married an Iverach.

RosemaryYes I do! mystery has been solved. My gran dads birth cert was amended to show the middle names which came from the minister. It states Rev. J. Iverach Munro minister of Cannisbay Free Church. I had found an article on how the naming process was done and it said that sometimes they used the Rev. or minister that baptized the baby name. My gran dad was a little disillusioned with the churches of his time he felt the people to be narrow minded and claimed he was an agnostic. It's kinda funny his middle name be that of the Reverand.

Rosemary Skea

21-Nov-09, 22:55

Katharine Cameron was baptised on 25th April 1681 - I transcribed the mother's name as Christian Iverach , residence given as Dorrary. No witnesses to the baptism

Rosemary

Mamie_2

26-Nov-09, 15:24

Yes Marion could have died but then I still think Margaret is alive in 1871 and unmarried
I think she is still in Melvich in 1881 as well as 1891 with her Cameron aunts and uncles and recorded in Farr in 1901 with uncles Angus and Hugh in the Strathy district( so probably still in Melvich). In all the censuses this Margaret Campbell comes up born c 1827/8 in Reay. To confirm we need to check for a death for this Margaret Campbell which ought to tell us who her parents were.

The other Margaret Campbell born in 1827 did not have Cameron connections.

I think Marion is Mary Ann but I could be wrong.

Mamie