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I await with interest comments from the backslapping intolerants on these stories from today's Scotsman:
170 police officers in Scotland have criminal records.
The majority of Scottish babies are born out of wedlock.
One quarter of council tenants can't or won't pay their rent.
And, oh yes - Scottish Muslims have condemned the Luton protestors.
Any comments?
Gene Hunt
12-Mar-09, 15:56
Sure do.
As baiting attempts go that's a fail.
I await with interest comments from the backslapping intolerants on these stories from today's Scotsman:
170 police officers in Scotland have criminal records.
The majority of Scottish babies are born out of wedlock.
One quarter of council tenants can't or won't pay their rent.
And, oh yes - Scottish Muslims have condemned the Luton protestors.
Any comments?
And 78% of polls are made up.:)
Hi Rich,
Is it safe to assume you are a majority Scottish baby trying to wind up us intolerants. btw who exactly is today's Scotsman - trust its not that fat Scottish baby Salmond ?
It seems to me that these are important issues. I am still awaiting your comments.
Maybe important issues to you Rich baby but who else gives a tinker's cuss
Melancholy Man
12-Mar-09, 16:25
I await with interest comments from the backslapping intolerants on these stories from today's Scotsman:
170 police officers in Scotland have criminal records.
The majority of Scottish babies are born out of wedlock.
One quarter of council tenants can't or won't pay their rent.This reminds me of that delightfully forthright website about the U.S. South after 2004.
And, oh yes - Scottish Muslims have condemned the Luton protestors.I have argued against associating the majority of Muslims with these Taleban, but let's look at the article (http://heritage.scotsman.com/scotland/Muslims-in-Scotland-condemn-protesters.5063480.jp).
However, Osama Saeed, the chief executive of the Scottish Islamic Foundation, distanced mainstream Muslims in Scotland from the tactics employed by the group.Oh, what a surprise. Saeed assuming the role of spokesman for Scottish Muslims. This man is associated with the Muslim Association of Britain, allied with Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, and who calls suicide-terrorism in Israel "martyrdom operations" and wishes for civil sharia.
The Muslim Council of Britain raised concerns that protests such as that in Luton, which took place during a homecoming parade of the 2nd Battalion The Royal Anglian Regiment, which had been serving in Iraq, were fodder for Islamophobes keen to drive a wedge between Britons.Again, thoroughly self-serving efforts to push the neologism "Islamophobe" and to further the profile of middle-aged blokes.
Davie, lad (as Alan Breck used to say) Is this you?
There is scum and scum. Apparently in this country of ours there are scum who will use the freedom provided by our Armed Forces to spout their vitroil on our streets. There is also the scum who will not condemn them, no matter how they dress up their argument with fine words.
If I had the chance to get behind a GPMG again they would ALL be against the wall. Some may say that would be a waste of good ammo and the long drop from a Herc over their 'homeland' might be a cheaper solution.
brokencross
12-Mar-09, 16:31
The majority of Scottish babies are born out of wedlock.
One quarter of council tenants can't or won't pay their rent.
Any comments?
If you can't afford to pay your rent, you can hardly afford a wedding (or a baby for that matter)
MM - thank you for coming to terms with at least one of my queries.
I agree with much of what you say (how's that for a surprise) but where our dialogue breaks down is on your interpretation of Hamas - especially its long term goals.
I spent a long while in Ireland where I had friends who ranged across the political spectrum. One thing everybody knew was that the moment the British or the IRA said they would never speak to each other then that's just what they were doing. In fact negotiations began in the Thatcher era, carried on with John Major and so on to the arrival at the current position.
Another problem for the IRA and also for the Protestant paramilitaries was that they would get stuck in their own rhetoric. Not an inch! No compromise. No surrender etc etc.
I would submit that Hamas is a lot like the IRA. I would bet negotiations are under way right now. Remember how close Clinton came to getting a settlement.
Now I submit that is a position upon which we could agree to disagree (amicably).
Next please!
Brokencross - whether or not young people can afford these things - marriage, a roof over the head, babies - thay are are taking them.
What would you recommend doing about it?
(Shouting at the problem is not an option)
Bazey,if you believe that 78% of polls are "made up" than I have a waterfront property in Florida that you might like to purchase.
Rich, I think you need to find some employment, as I have been reliably informed that you only come on here and spout your Canadian soup, when you have idle hands or are bored. Get a job Rich lol:lol:
I cherry picked a couple of Canadian headlines, so Rich your adopted country is no better than ours
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090225/national/flaherty_spending
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/royalty+regime+lies+shambles/1351620/story.html
Calm down now Rich - have they not given you the pills yet today ?
I just can not get my intolerant head round any connection between our supposedly corrupt polis, babies being born out of wedlock, rent arrears, Scottish Muslims at al and HAMAS, the IRA, Proddie paramilitaries, Clinton, (I assume you mean one of the corrupt Clinton clan ) etc
Are you on the correct thread or is your mind wandering just a bit
If you can't afford to pay your rent, you can hardly afford a wedding (or a baby for that matter)
Maybe you cant afford a wedding but taxpayers pay for the rent and baby.
Naa - babies are free in my experience. About 30 seconds hard work and job done . Sorry if it sounds like I am boasting.
And ref Rich's last on the list:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7940214.stm
teenybash
12-Mar-09, 17:43
Any comments?
No.......................:confused
Is Rich really in Canada? if so he might be interested in:
106 B.C. police officers guilty of misconduct in past 2 years: CBC investigation
November 6th, 2008
Sexual advances to superiors’ wives, drunk driving and consorting with criminals are among 106 proven cases of misconduct of municipal police officers in B.C. over the past two years, CBC News has learned.
Eight of the officers were to be fired but resigned before their disciplinary proceedings began or ended, according to a report by the British Columbia Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner.
CBC News requested that the office compile the data to find out how many police officers in B.C. conducted themselves inappropriately on the job. The figures include various municipal police forces in the province but not the RCMP.
Of the eight cases in which officers were to be fired, the majority involved dishonesty and cheating, although in one case the officer was caught accessing child pornography, the report says.
In one case, “the officer had disclosed confidential information to an individual suspected of criminal activity.”
The officer’s rank was reduced for one year, and he had to get remedial training and work under close supervision during that period. A public hearing was ordered, but the officer resigned before the hearing began.
17 officers resigned; 8 were to be fired
In total, 17 officers resigned after being found guilty of misconduct.
The 106 proven cases of police misconduct were recorded between Oct. 1, 2006, and Oct. 1, 2008. They resulted from “substantiated allegations” filed directly to or being referred to the B.C. police complaint commissioner’s office.
The maximum recommended disciplinary measure — outside of dismissal — was a five-day suspension without pay for a hit-and-run case. In that case, the officer, although off-duty when the crash occurred, fled the scene on foot. The officer was later charged with impaired driving and hit and run.
In another case, “while off-duty and highly intoxicated,” an officer “made inappropriate sexual advances towards the wives of two senior officers.” The officer received “managerial advice” and voluntarily enrolled in an alcohol counselling program.
Another off-duty officer “was rude and abusive to a female staff member at a night club” while intoxicated. That incident did not warrant disciplinary measures, the commissioner decided.
Misuse, accidental discharge of firearm
There are five proven cases of misconduct involving drinking and driving.
In one case, “while off-duty, the officer was stopped and issued a 24-hour driving prohibition.” A two-day suspension without pay was proposed, but the officer resigned before the disciplinary proceeding concluded.
Several cases of misuse or accidental discharge of firearm were also substantiated.
In one of those cases, “when arresting two males following an altercation at a nightclub, an officer inappropriately took one of the males to the ground with a hip toss and inappropriately deployed his Taser.”
The officer was suspended without pay for three days and re-assigned to other duties.
In another case, “during a physical struggle with a suspect, an officer shot the suspect with his firearm.”
The proposed punishment was dismissal, but the officer resigned prior to the conclusion of the disciplinary proceedings. The suspect in this case recovered fully.
http://www.rcmpwatch.com/106-bc-police-officers-guilty-of-misconduct-in-past-2-years-cbc-investigation/
"You're country's worse than mine - no it isn't yours is worse." etc etc
Guys, this is not how political debate works. The reason I singled out the Scotsman stories and directed my post to your jolly gang of intolerants was to find out if you had any coherent position regarding these issues. I was interested to find out if all the ranting you guys indulge in did have a point or any kind of content that might be used to deal with the social blights that mar contemporary Scotland.
I guess I have my answer!
Dave, you dont quite get it. One of the issues raised by an earlier contributor - Melancholy Man - concerned Hamas and its present in the United Kingdom. This is a problem with interantional ramifications (obviously) so I was attempting to clear some of the verbal undergrowth and place it in context.
Might I suggest that you take out a subscription to the Guardian. You could share it with the neighbours and together you would become a string of little light bulbs illuminating the wilderness that is Altnabrec and the mental life there.
Come on now Rich - in the Colonies you may be - but read the Guardian !. Now thats a bit 'rich' as it comes with a free subscription to the New Liebor party. I doubt if many outhouses in this part of the world would even provide a nail to hang it on.
Page 3 of 'The Sun' gives a more realistic political slant (not that I look at such things of course).
Golach!
How can you say I have time on my hands so I am doing this at my work? What an insinuation! My time at work is for sleeping. These posts are,of course, being done in the Pub.
As for Canada I will debate it any time - only too delighted.
Remember Maple Soup?- I thought you rather liked that; certainly youir contributions were balanced and interesting.
Unlike this shower!
I worked atLochdhu in the sixties, and I can say I was proud to be a radical ghillie, interested only in separating English angler's from their money. (Didn't manage that too often, by the way, they must have been Taliban supporters!)
To move thoroughly off topic, doesn't that Flow country make you think of cowboys?
Maybe that's why Caithness people enjoy westerns so much (they do!).
I met a complete idiot of an economist in Edinburgh once who told me, over a pint or two, that cowboys didn't exist. There were a few Mexicans and Afro-Americans to do the cattle drives but it was just a fleeting, transrient thing. The open range was enclosed by 1890 and that was it.
I kind of believed him. Until I found out about the Erwin Smith Photography Collection in Fort Worth Texas - over 750 images made between 1905 and 1912.
And you know something? Texas ranch-hands still look like this!
http://www.cartermuseum.org/collections/smith/collection.php
I await with interest comments from the backslapping intolerants on these stories from today's Scotsman:
170 police officers in Scotland have criminal records.
The majority of Scottish babies are born out of wedlock.
One quarter of council tenants can't or won't pay their rent.
And, oh yes - Scottish Muslims have condemned the Luton protestors.
Any comments?
To be honest, I really don't care. I have better things to do than get into a pointless discussion/argument over something neither you nor I have any control over. Ahm awa' tae bile ma heid. ;)
I met a complete idiot of an economist in Edinburgh once
That was a mirror you were looking into. I have never read so much egotistic, self-centred tosh in a long time.
Kevin Milkins
13-Mar-09, 01:48
That was a mirror you were looking into. I have never read so much egotistic, self-centred tosh in a long time.
Thanks for reading all that for me scorrie.
It looked like tosh from the first line and could not be bothered to look any further.
When I saw you made a contribution I fast tracked to the end to see what you had to say and as I value your opinion on things it just confirmed my earlier thoughts///////tosh.
butterfly
13-Mar-09, 02:42
I await with interest comments from the backslapping intolerants on these stories from today's Scotsman:
170 police officers in Scotland have criminal records.
The majority of Scottish babies are born out of wedlock.
One quarter of council tenants can't or won't pay their rent.
And, oh yes - Scottish Muslims have condemned the Luton protestors.
Any comments?
So whats new?Tell us something we dont know other than a load of TRIPE.
Tripe!
Tosh!!
What next? Twaddle?
If you are going to ignore my dire warnings then I can assume that you are busy having children out of wedlock in your rent unpaid homes, relying on the police to keep you straight.
Or on the other hand there may be real issues here which you are ignoring.
But I am confident you will find you collective voice when some poor Pakistani tries to sneak into the country...
butterfly
13-Mar-09, 15:36
[quote=rich;517525] I can assume that you are busy having children out of wedlock in your rent unpaid homes, relying on the police to keep you straight.
Wrong again......tut tut your not doing too well here are you?;)
170 police officers in Scotland have criminal records.
Doesnt seem like very many. I dont care if a copper has a record. As long as it doesnt stop him doing his job.
The majority of Scottish babies are born out of wedlock.
Dont see that as a problem at all.
One quarter of council tenants can't or won't pay their rent.
Thats not very good.
And, oh yes - Scottish Muslims have condemned the Luton protestors.
Any comments?
That is good.
Average - you are pretty cool.
But surely the fact that the copper has a record casts a degree of doubt on how well he/she does the job.
After all, would you put a fox in charge of the henhouse?
Average - you are pretty cool.
But surely the fact that the copper has a record casts a degree of doubt on how well he/she does the job.
After all, would you put a fox in charge of the henhouse?
Dont see why not. Weve got an idiot in charge of the country.
This reminds me of that delightfully forthright website about the U.S. South after 2004.
I have argued against associating the majority of Muslims with these Taleban, but let's look at the article (http://heritage.scotsman.com/scotland/Muslims-in-Scotland-condemn-protesters.5063480.jp).
Oh, what a surprise. Saeed assuming the role of spokesman for Scottish Muslims. This man is associated with the Muslim Association of Britain, allied with Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, and who calls suicide-terrorism in Israel "martyrdom operations" and wishes for civil sharia.
Again, thoroughly self-serving efforts to push the neologism "Islamophobe" and to further the profile of middle-aged blokes.
just wondering but are you Jewish MM?
Mr rich from "over the water" (and oot of his heid by the sounds of things:lol:)
If you find us all intolernat then why post,Oh I forgot you dangle your little worm and wait for the little fish to take the bait.The problem starts when the bis fish come and eat all your bait and you are left with your little rod in your hand!!!![lol]
Need i say more?
Gene Hunt
13-Mar-09, 18:47
It seems to me that these are important issues. I am still awaiting your comments.
Your a Troll. A bad one.
Hows that for a comment ??
Darn it, Gene. You've outed me!
Gene Hunt
13-Mar-09, 20:39
Darn it, Gene. You've outed me!
To be fair though you got a lot more bites than I thought you would.
Well Played .. ;)
butterfly
13-Mar-09, 21:09
Mr rich from "over the water" (and oot of his heid by the sounds of things:lol:)
If you find us all intolernat then why post,Oh I forgot you dangle your little worm and wait for the little fish to take the bait.The problem starts when the bis fish come and eat all your bait and you are left with your little rod in your hand!!!![lol]
Need i say more?
och your in top form tonight Hotrod,well said again!:lol:
Weather a copper does his job or not has nothing to do with if he's got a record, its more to do with if he's related to you or not!
But surely the fact that the copper has a record casts a degree of doubt on how well he/she does the job.
After all, would you put a fox in charge of the henhouse?
It would depend entirely on whether or not the record was "Sydney Devine's Greatest Hits".
ps Sydney dedicated a song to your posts on the org:-
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B000024CTG/sr=1-7/qid=1236982951/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=229816&s=music&qid=1236982951&sr=1-7
Darn it, Gene. You've outed me!
Jump back in the closet and we'll pretend it never happened ;)
ha ha , did some one crap in yer shower again , it was ye was it no , and ye wudna admit it ?? i ken your type a closet crapper that canna admit it . :lol::lol::lol:
ha ha , did some one crap in yer shower again , it was ye was it no , and ye wudna admit it ?? i ken your type a closet crapper that canna admit it . :lol::lol:
Ahh, good to see the flush still works here. The place smells fresher already ;)
butterfly
14-Mar-09, 21:45
Ahh, good to see the flush still works here. The place smells fresher already ;)
yeah,its a lot better Scorrie!:)
Is scotland any worse than canada?
After all isnt Canada just an annex of the USA?;)
Is scotland any worse than canada?
After all isnt Canada just an annex of the USA?;)
NO!
And the recent credit crunch issue is all the proof needed. There are few banks in the world treading water quite as well as the Canadian system.
NO!
And the recent credit crunch issue is all the proof needed. There are few banks in the world treading water quite as well as the Canadian system.
Sorry to have treaded on your maple leaf canuck!![lol]
Just knew that little comment would annoy our canadian cousins!!!
Sorry for the insult but I am in a mischevious mood today!!
Isn't Canada just America's bumbag? ;)
Sorry to have treaded on your maple leaf canuck!![lol]
Just knew that little comment would annoy our canadian cousins!!!
Sorry for the insult but I am in a mischevious mood today!!
Thanks hotrod4. Blood pressure has gone back down!
Thanks hotrod4. Blood pressure has gone back down!
I will try and pick on a country that isnt as Popular as Canada in future;)
Iceland anyone?[lol]
Gene Hunt
15-Mar-09, 15:18
I am currently reading this thread with "Blame Canada" from the South Park movie playing in another tab.
It just adds to the atmosphere of it.
I will try and pick on a country that isnt as Popular as Canada in future;)
Iceland anyone?[lol]
Yeah, why not, they've still not apologised for Bjork. :)
I hope Rich has not got the internet in his balloon or he will go all shadenfrued (no pedantics about the spelling please) but Canadian banks have apparently all made a profit in the first quarter of this year.
Obviously they learned how to be prudent by watching our fiscal system (not)
Iceland isnt that hot as they have Penguins there!
Is Canada famous for Maple sponge or are my wires crossed?
Iceland isnt that hot as they have Penguins there!
Is Canada famous for Maple sponge or are my wires crossed?
Sorry to correct you hotters but unless they are in a zoo you won't find penguins in Iceland-they are native to the Antarctic region.
Of coourse you will find Penguins in Iceland - they are on the biscuit shelf - Dummy !
170 police officers in Scotland have criminal records.
Any comments?
Yes I do have some.
You do not say how many police officers in Scotland don't have criminal records.
You do not say out of how many of those 170 gained criminal records whilst being serving officers or got them as young offenders.
Police recruitment boards aren't looking for saints or sinners. They are looking for honest and fit people with lots of commonsense and differing life experiences who can relate to the society from which they come from and still are a part of. I believe that our society is stronger if we have a police force that reflects its own society instead of an elitist entity. And if we expect society should give a second chance to our own members of society then we can only expect the same from police recruitment and discipline to rank and file police officers.
Melancholy Man
17-Mar-09, 12:54
I will try and pick on a country that isnt as Popular as Canada in future;)
Death to Canada (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/09/26/afghan-protest.html)!
Death to Canada (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/09/26/afghan-protest.html)!
I am afraid that your comment is going down like a lead balloon on this (and likely other) computer screens. However, if your sentiment reflects that of the general org population I will withdraw my membership as painful as that action would be.
In reply to the news article, it seems that these initial reactions are based on assumptions which, when investigated, prove to be unfounded.
Melancholy Man
17-Mar-09, 15:28
I'll say as I always say in this instance, taking offence is a form of passive aggression and reflects first on the taker. Other examples include posters whose senses of Scottishness appears so weak that it appears to crumble with any negative comment from the 'English'. My comment was in the same vein as Hotrod's original comment (and his subsequent remark about Iceland), and clearly absurd. Furthermore, the mock reproach was directed at the protesters, not Canadians.
While we're on the subject, Canuck, don't you think your adoption of such a nickname sits odd with this sense of grievance? Goodness knows what you thought of when you saw Gene Hunt's post.
I'll note that far worse remarks are regularly made, in seriousness, about Muslims where the acts of the Luton provocateurs are externalized to all Muslims.
Some people need to get a grip.
My original aim in highlighting the multiple dysfunctions in Scottish society was to find out if ORGERs had any solutions. Well it turned out that most of you had no solutions. Instead some of you decided to attack Canada, because (I presume) I am Canadian.
Yet let a single Pakistani try to sneak into the United Kingdom, let an unhinged Muslim zealot call for Sharia law and the ORGER bosom swells with indignation and the ORGER orifice froths with over-heated rhetoric.
My friends, this is SELECTIVE INDIGNATION.
It makes a laughing stock out of the Caithness. org and is described by a contributor to anothe blog as backslappng racism. That might be going a little far but that's the road you are on....
I'll say as I always say in this instance, taking offence is a form of passive aggression and reflects first on the taker. ...
Where reaction to offence is brushed aside as passive aggression there can be no place for justice. We are doomed as a society if that is to be the practise.
Melancholy Man
17-Mar-09, 17:00
Canuck, there is offence and there is abuse, and what went down here is serious as neither. Offence is in the eye of the beholder, and I am willing to experience - and have - verbal jousting on this forum.
Meanwhile, here (http://transmontanus.blogspot.com/2008/04/afghanistan-do-we-stay-or-do-we-go.html) are some cool Canadians. No, not the nihilistic isolationists being discussed, but the Canadians they're protesting against and who were the objects of the original chant.
It makes a laughing stock out of the Caithness. org and is described by a contributor to anothe blog as backslappng racism.
About the Org? Cor, it's famous!
My original aim in highlighting the multiple dysfunctions in Scottish society was to find out if ORGERs had any solutions. Well it turned out that most of you had no solutions. Instead some of you decided to attack Canada, because (I presume) I am Canadian.
Yet let a single Pakistani try to sneak into the United Kingdom, let an unhinged Muslim zealot call for Sharia law and the ORGER bosom swells with indignation and the ORGER orifice froths with over-heated rhetoric.
My friends, this is SELECTIVE INDIGNATION.
It makes a laughing stock out of the Caithness. org and is described by a contributor to anothe blog as backslappng racism. That might be going a little far but that's the road you are on....
Come on rich. You have made numerous swipes at both the org and its members over the past couple of years. You never seem to tire of telling us how tiny and poisoned our brains are. The whole blinking world is dsyfunctional, that is the nature of we, flawed, humans. It is to be expected that people will defend their part of it, particularly against regular complainants.
The org is a public forum, not the Guardian Newspaper. You will encounter all sorts of opinions, at various levels of depth. You cannot expect to get the most creative of responses when you keep telling people how stupid they are.
I don't see anyone attacking Canada. There has been some light-hearted banter, but certainly nothing approaching the questioning of people's sanity and intelligence, which you have used time and again to put your opinions forward here.
It is normal for people to object to what they see as someone "defecating on their doorstep", that is universal and not confined to Caithness.org
Melancholy Man
17-Mar-09, 17:26
The org is a public forum, not the Guardian Newspaper.
Now, there's a scary web-forum.
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