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With all the palova on the news about the "list" and People losing their jobs thought I would ask to see how others felt.
I think its pretty bad that some people may lose their jobs due to being on the BNP list. The party is a legal political party,whether you agree with them or not as a Legal political party is it right that people may be sacked for being a member?
If someone was a labour member and their boss was a tory would it be alright for them to be sacked? NO!!! So whats the difference for being BNP?
If anyone gets sacked they will be playing the game that they accuse the BNP of doing, i.e Intolerance against someone for their views etc.
I have a copy the list and can confirm that their are no members in Wick or Thurso, which was a shock!!![lol]
Metalattakk
20-Nov-08, 20:08
With all the palova on the news about the "list" and People losing their jobs thought I would ask to see how others felt.
I think its pretty bad that some people may lose their jobs due to being on the BNP list. The party is a legal political party,whether you agree with them or not as a Legal political party is it right that people may be sacked for being a member?
Yes, it's right. In some jobs you can't be a member of any political party.
I have a copy the list and can confirm that their are no members in Wick or Thurso, which was a shock!!![lol]
The copy I have a hold of certainly contradicts your assumption.
The copy I have must be same as your Metal.
skinnydog
20-Nov-08, 20:18
I think that a lot of people have the perception (right or wrong I can't say) that the BNP is full of nutters of the highest degree.
Perhaps the person who published the list had an ulterior motive? Just because someone has been "outed" on a list on the internet doesn't make them any worse a person than they were the day before when no-one knew they were the member of this party.
the copy i have has a member from thurso
Metalattakk
20-Nov-08, 20:38
Perhaps the person who published the list had an ulterior motive?
It appears to certainly be so. An 'inside' job, apparently.
The Angel Of Death
20-Nov-08, 20:53
Again the list i have a copy of has a member form thurso on it as well
bettedaviseyes
20-Nov-08, 20:57
The copy I have seen too has member from Thurso and even were I live in Fife there's quite a few people. I think this is a disgrace people thinking like that in this day and age. I would be ashamed to kwow anyone on that list and if i did come across someone i knew i would no longer speak to them.[evil]
As for the police officers losing their jobs, boo hoo!!
You knew that membership of the BNP was banned.
The Bouncy Norks Party, why would anyone get sacked for joining that? ;)
the copy i have has a member from thurso
Mine also has a member from Thurso.
I have not seen the list but I think a party that encourages racism should be outlawed, period. I am not usually a fan of outing people for whatever reason but in this case I agree. We should know if our police and other governmental service workers are followers of this party as this contradicts their impartiality in the workplace.
bettedaviseyes
20-Nov-08, 22:59
[evil] I AGREE THESE'S PEOPLE SHOULD BE OUTED[evil]
northener
20-Nov-08, 23:04
Like their policies or not, they are a legal political party in this country and should be afforded the same degree of right to privacy as any other legitimate political party.
I'm no great fan of idiot left wing parties and ideologies - but I wouldn't support 'outing' their members just because they believe in some tripe called 'class war' or because they view certain sectors of the British community as 'the enemy'....sad gits.
That's one of the joys of living in a democracy, folks. Live with it.
Playing Devils Advocate here. Just because the list contains 10,ooo odd names does not mean that only 10,000 people will vote for them. In quite a few by-elections they have come second ahead of lab/con. If you look at it from a different angle there are probably more than 10,000 people in the UK that want this country as an Islamic Republic. Recently a teacher was dismissed for logging on to the BNP website whilst at school on his dinner break, while another teacher was logging on to porn sites and was only repimanded. The teacher has since been re instated as it only illegal to be in the armed forces or police force and be a member of the BNP. It made me wonder why this wasnt mentioned in the mainstream media, are they trying to hide something from us? As I mentioned at the start Im only playing Devils Advocate, and no my name isnt on the list.
I think its pretty bad that some people may lose their jobs due to being on the BNP list. The party is a legal political party,whether you agree with them or not as a Legal political party is it right that people may be sacked for being a member?
You know, it's a reasonable point. The BNP is a legal, political party: repugnant for sure, but legal all the same.
I don't feel comfortable with the idea of membership of a political party being officially prohibited by those in authority.
Having said that...
If someone was a labour member and their boss was a tory would it be alright for them to be sacked? NO!!! So whats the difference for being BNP?
The reason for the ban on police officers joining the BNP is that “such membership would be incompatible with our duty to promote equality under the Race Relations Amendment Act and would damage the confidence of minority communities”.
They've got a reasonable point.
Take the case of the officer who was suspended today. That officer is likely to have been involved in cases involving minorities and some of those cases will likely have seen a minority defendant being found guilty of a crime. It is widely accepted that the BNP actively promotes a racist agenda. I'd be surprised if we don't see at least one appeal as a direct result of this officer's support of that agenda.
If anyone gets sacked they will be playing the game that they accuse the BNP of doing, i.e Intolerance against someone for their views etc.
Well no, not quite. These people chose to join the BNP... the people the BNP discriminates against were simply born with a different shade of skin. There really is a difference.
I wonder, if anybody does get the sack over this, will they have the audacity to try to use European Legislation in their defence. [disgust]
I have a copy the list and can confirm that their are no members in Wick or Thurso, which was a shock!!!
Sorry but as others have said, there's definitely one mentioned... and from the notes against their name they don't seem to be a passive member either.
Metalattakk
21-Nov-08, 00:37
Sorry but as others have said, there's definitely one mentioned... and from the notes against their name they don't seem to be a passive member either.
Well as he's listed as an activist, with a comment saying he would "like to become a contact", I think he's probably pretty passive by default, seeing as he's all on his lonesome north of Tain.
Is there a Thurso sept of the BNP?
is it right that people may be sacked for being a member?
Er, Yes, esp if they work for civil service aka the government.
is it right that people may be sacked for being a member?
Er, Yes, esp if they work for civil service aka the government.
So this lot should go too?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/nov/20/bnp-far-right-labour
The copy I have a hold of certainly contradicts your assumption.
As there is 12,081 names to go through, I used the ctrl+F to check Wick & Thurso and it found nothing.But I know from a postcode search on another site that you are right.
It is quite sad though that I now have over 12,00 e-mails,Phone numbers and Addresses for people I dont even know!!!!
Maybe I could send them all a xmas E-card? or phone them up with an Indian accent call myself "John" and ask if they are happy with ther broadband providings!!!![lol]
Metalattakk
21-Nov-08, 09:47
It is quite sad though that I now have over 12,00 e-mails,Phone numbers and Addresses for people I dont even know!!!!
It's worse than that, though...many of the names on that list are those of partners and children who have been added without their consent.
It's worse than that, though...many of the names on that list are those of partners and children who have been added without their consent.
........and will be targeted for abuse and other more subversive action by those who claim to be more "democratic".
It will almost certainly have an effect on those with their names on the list, unless they are fascist and proud of it, so it would come as no surprise to friends, neighbours and colleagues.
If I saw that a neighbour or colleague was a member it would certainly make a difference to how I viewed them.
Much as I'd be interested to find out, I did search my area, I don't think that we have a 'right' to know the alliegences of others - we should be judged on our actions.
But saying that I also feel If you're a member of the BNP, I'd say that by definition you're a racist.
Whether or not you act it out every minute of every day of your life or not.
So do I want a racist policeman, social worker, teacher etc etc, someone who's meant to be as neutral and non-judgemental as possible?
Do I hell.
So when does the lynch mob meet up in Thurso?...[disgust]
Are these people going to be hounded down now that their political affiliations have been exposed? Will there be witch hunts all over the UK as people find out their neighbour has views they may not agree with?
If they are not prevented by employment from being a member of the BNP does it matter? And why download the list to find out? Morbid curiosity? Nosy neighbour syndrome?
Many people have moved towards the BNP because they feel no other party represents them any more. They may not have a racist bone in their body. Will these people now be shunned by their friends?...
I hope all who have downloaded/searched this list feel better for doing so...
I will admit that I have a tendency to agree with the BNP on some issues. That doesnt make me a "fascist" or "Racist".And I am not on the list! (must've missed me out for some reason;))
Everyone is entitled to view things in their own way.
I was wondering when the Tory and Labour lists will be leaked, or worse still the SNP after all there a nationalist party too just like the BNP!!!:lol:
Maybe everyone who has the list now has over 12,000 new friends to play with![lol]
On a More serious note it is shambolic that people whose views are the same as the BNP and have registered an interest may now be ostracised for thier political views,as we are living in a democracy surely their opinions and views are their Entitlement in a free society?
youoldduffer
21-Nov-08, 14:54
As far as i know we are allowed the right to our own views and as such should not be refused employment or anything else for that matter, how would you feel if you were sacked because someone found out your view on christianity was diffrent from theirs?.
I dont agree with the BNP in general but i would not treat or act diffrently if i found out someone i employed were a member.
I beleive we have the right to our own views and dont want someone telling me I'm wrong just because they dont agree, do we all become drones following one religion, one view, one way only of life how utterly boring would the world be.
I hope all who have downloaded/searched this list feel better for doing so...
yep it killed 10 mins of time
Boozeburglar
21-Nov-08, 16:18
The list I have has at least a dozen from Thurso, but I am not quite finished with it yet.
The list I have has at least a dozen from Thurso, but I am not quite finished with it yet.
Ah but is this an "official" list or One you have made up!!!;)
Am I on the Wick one[lol]
With all the palova on the news about the "list" and People losing their jobs thought I would ask to see how others felt.
I think its pretty bad that some people may lose their jobs due to being on the BNP list. The party is a legal political party,whether you agree with them or not as a Legal political party is it right that people may be sacked for being a member?
If someone was a labour member and their boss was a tory would it be alright for them to be sacked? NO!!! So whats the difference for being BNP?
If anyone gets sacked they will be playing the game that they accuse the BNP of doing, i.e Intolerance against someone for their views etc.
I have a copy the list and can confirm that their are no members in Wick or Thurso, which was a shock!!![lol].
Would it bother you to find out that someone you know may be on that list and why did you care enough to download it? They are, as you say, "a legal political party" so would you download a list of labour party members or those of any other political persuasion?
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Would it bother you to find out that someone you know may be on that list and why did you care enough to download it? They are, as you say, "a legal political party" so would you download a list of labour party members or those of any other political persuasion?
Oh yes! I certainly would.
Oh yes! I certainly would.
Why?.......
Why?.......
For exactly the same reasons as the majority of people downloaded the BNP data.
For exactly the same reasons as the majority of people downloaded the BNP data.What reason would that be then Scotsboy?
northener
21-Nov-08, 20:51
God forbid that the .Orgers list is ever made public....[para]
What reason would that be then Scotsboy?
Inquisitiveness..............why do you ask?
Would it bother you to find out that someone you know may be on that list
Honestly, yes it would bother me quite a bit. I doubt that I'd remain friends with somebody I knew to be on the list - not because I would just stop talking to them but because after a few hours I think they'd be sick of me trying to change their opinions. :lol:
and why did you care enough to download it? They are, as you say, "a legal political party" so would you download a list of labour party members or those of any other political persuasion?
Sad but true – I was more interested to know what format the data had leaked in than what the data actually was. Yes, I am a bit of a nerd.
Also, I have to admit that I do have a nosey side.
Would I download the Labour Party's list or the Tory's list? Yes. And I dare say that their data would be a little more organised.
Inquisitiveness..............why do you ask?I just find it strange that to you, a labour party member list would hold the same appeal as a list of BNP members.
The only reason, I would surmise, that anyone would download a list of BNP members is that, as the BNP is a political party classed as being inherently racist, there would be interest by some folk to find out if someone they knew was a member of that party.
I just find it strange that to you, a labour party member list would hold the same appeal as a list of BNP members.
The only reason, I would surmise, that anyone would download a list of BNP members is that, as the BNP is a political party classed as being inherently racisist, there would be interest by some folk to find out if someone they knew was a member of that party.
.........but you didn't limit your question to the "labour party" you said:
Would it bother you to find out that someone you know may be on that list and why did you care enough to download it? They are, as you say, "a legal political party" so would you download a list of labour party members or those of any other political persuasion?;)
anneoctober
21-Nov-08, 21:30
God forbid that the .Orgers list is ever made public....[para]
Please tell me that you're joking Northerner? It's not - is it :eek::evil
Honestly, yes it would bother me quite a bit. I doubt that I'd remain friends with somebody I knew to be on the list - not because I would just stop talking to them but because after a few hours I think they'd be sick of me trying to change their opinions. :lol:Maybe they could persuade you to change your opinions?
Sad but true – I was more interested to know what format the data had leaked in than what the data actually was. Yes, I am a bit of a nerd.
I think leaked as a wav then compressed into a flac container, then converted to mp3, thereupon it was transcribed by a blind shaolin monk who then uploaded it as a doc file.
.........but you didn't limit your question to the "labour party" you said:
;)I thought that you saying, "Oh yes! I certainly would", was covering the whole political spectrum, not excluding the labour party?;)
Maybe they could persuade you to change your opinions?
Strange, but I've never found supporters of the BNP to be terribly articulate. [lol]
I think leaked as a wav then compressed into a flac container, then converted to mp3, thereupon it was transcribed by a blind shaolin monk who then uploaded it as a doc file.
I can't help it... I spend my days looking after databases. Data interests me. :o
Strange, but I've never found supporters of the BNP to be terribly articulate. I know, all those knuckle-dragging teachers, doctors, nurses.:lol:
I can't help it... I spend my days looking after databases. Data interests me. :oI'm sure data will be pleased.[lol]
Amy-Winehouse
21-Nov-08, 23:16
I thought that you saying, "Oh yes! I certainly would", was covering the whole political spectrum, not excluding the labour party?;)
I myself wouldnt be too bothered about the BNP members as they dont tend to blow up buildings in mainland Britain , unlike Siol nan Gaidheal, Sinn Fein , whose members have unfortunately. Name and shame them would be more in Britain`s interests
I myself wouldnt be too bothered about the BNP members as they dont tend to blow up buildings in mainland Britain , unlike Siol nan Gaidheal, Sinn Fein , whose members have unfortunately. Name and shame them would be more in Britain`s interestsMurder is okay, Amy, as long as it is not racial.
Alice in Blunderland
21-Nov-08, 23:30
I and my hubby have been following this tread with interest.
I asked him would it bother him if he found out that someone he knew was on the list.
His answer was no.
If anyone he knew was on the list he would never know unless he read it. It is their own personal view and in a free society we are allowed this.
If the person is polite to you and does not show anything then you are polite back. :)
Boozeburglar
22-Nov-08, 04:14
I myself wouldnt be too bothered about the BNP members as they dont tend to blow up buildings in mainland Britains
Soho nail bomb
White Wolves
Same people.
Anyone who is in the BNP is an fool! end of! the BNP try and pass themselves off as 'proud of their heritage' and 'protecting their own culture' etc etc blah blah, but what rubbish.
Anyone who is in the BNP is an fool! end of! the BNP try and pass themselves off as 'proud of their heritage' and 'protecting their own culture' etc etc blah blah, but what rubbish.
Where did you hear that?...no dont tell me, let me guess. Was it the BBC or the mainstream media which is effectively run by the government? Believe what you see, half of what you hear and nothing you read in the papers.
northener
22-Nov-08, 10:19
Soho nail bomb
White Wolves
Same people.
But isn't that like saying all Irish Nationalists are the same people as the IRA, who are the same as the PIRA who are the same as the 'Real IRA'?
Are all Left-Wing activists necessarily violent 'Class War' retards? Nope.
You'll aways get some crossover. I'm not convinced that a broad brush approach is convincing when it comes to trying to establish a 'type' or group of likely suspects when it comes to the BNP.
Where did you hear that?...no dont tell me, let me guess. Was it the BBC or the mainstream media which is effectively run by the government? Believe what you see, half of what you hear and nothing you read in the papers.
Ah I heard this on yes newspapers and TV, and on forums chatting to other BNP supporters. I was browsing through the BNP website, just to see how they were reacting to the membership list thing. They use these sort of phrases quite a lot!
http://bnp.org.uk/how-to-help/how-to-fight-on-after-you-are-gone/
"We all understand that there are no instant solutions or easy short-cuts in the battle to reclaim our freedom, restore security, preserve our identity and recreate real democracy. Building the combination of radical political alternative and grass-roots counter power structures needed to transform and save our people and nation is going to be a Long March"
A bit here I found amazing!
"To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question."
What like get rid of the fine Turkish gentleman that is well spoken and clearly a good thing for the community, my dentist down in Edinburgh!? Because there were no other dentists up here at the time! And then they go on to say this in their manifesto:
"We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers"
Yes revitalise it by boosting staff number by saying bye bye to my dentist. makes sense.
This too:
"FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people!
We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain."
god how anyone could be taken in by them is ridiculous.
percy toboggan
22-Nov-08, 15:24
I do find it a little sinister, in the modern meaning of the word that some here are trawling through this leaked list in an effort to spot those who might live near them. Then what? Will you curl one out upon their driveway, or perhaps send a nastly letter...set fire to their car per chance?or get a friend or two together and give them a damn good thrashing?
The BNP is a useful conduit for exasperated voters who are worried about immigration, and other issues such as law and order.
The BNP will not form a Government here in any of our lifetimes. Their recent emergence (60,000 votes in 2001 General Election - 220,000 votes in 2005 General Election ) has led to the mainstream parties toughening their stance and at least WAKING UP to the problems mass immigration presents at the its social interface...which is not in places like Caithness.
I have voted BNP on several occassions, I may even do so again. I'm not on the list because I'm not a member. The most any Political Party can expect from me is an 'x' in a box every now and again.
It's strange that those who react with outraged indignance at the BNP are those who claim to be 'tolerant'
All political parties have their extreme outer edges. Militant Tendency within Labour for instance, and no doubt there are some nutcases and Hitler sympathisers within the BNP. This is no good reason to damn the whole...especially when the Party is a legal entity and enjoying growing support. As time evolves the lunatic fringe will wither, and anyway, in a democracy everyone has the right to an opinion..Fascist, Communist whatever...there is little to choose between them anyway. Who was worse...Hitler, or Stalin?
The odd ocassions upon which I hear Nick Griffin speak he often strikes a chord with what I, and almost everybody I talk politics with in the 'real' world, think.
In a country which has a Black Police Association...An Association of Muslim Police...which bends over backwards it seems to accommodate the world and his wives if they decide to set up home here, what is wrong with indigenous whites - who have difficulty adjusting to post industrial decline, and feel marginalised on social housing lists or short lists for certain jobs merely because they are white- seeking their own political voice. They have been abandoned by the mainstream parties.
Don't listen to me, listen to Jon Cruddas...Labour M.P. for Dagenham who speaks good sense on this matter and is one of the better men in Parliament.
Like it or not the BNP are a charismatic leader away from becoming a minor player in British politics (as yet they do not really rate that description) despite having over 100 Councillors in post.
Look at the areas in which they are strong, and if you still wonder why there are so few members, much less voters in the North of Scotland they frankly you are a trifle dense.
Whilst the BNP may be at the vanguard of right wing politics to the general public, the fact is that many involved in right wing politics do not like the way that Nick Griffin is moving the BNP towards what could be considered “mainstream” politics…….and I think this maybe why this leaked information has materialised. As alluded to by Percy, there are no doubt nutters in the BNP (there are in most organizations), but they are a far cry from the British National Front, The British Movement, Combat 18 etc.
I personally do not like Griffin, but I have to admit he has done a very good job at the helm of the BNP.
It's strange that those who react with outraged indignance at the BNP are those who claim to be 'tolerant'
So many things to say about this single sentence...
First: being a tolerant person does not mean that you have to ignore intolerance.
Second: freedom of speech – so often used to justify the utterance of the unjustifiable – does not mean freedom from criticism. If the BNP want to use their 'freedom of speech' to pedal their white supremacy then surely they (and you) can't complain if I want to use my 'freedom of speech' to call them racist scum?
Talking of racism... third: the opposite of racism is not tolerance. I do not now, never have and never will 'tolerate' people of other races. I 'tolerate' the existence of slimy organisations like the BNP, the people those organisations target are just that – people. They don't need my 'tolerance'.
All political parties have their extreme outer edges.
Yes, but that doesn't mean that the BNP has a fluffy centre. Nick Griffin is far from the nice man he now pretends to be. Beneath that suit is a one-time local secretary for the National Front who has a conviction for inciting racial hatred and who called the Holocaust the “hoax of the Twentieth Century”.
Given that he is the 'acceptable face' of the BNP, I really hate to think what those on the 'extreme outer edges' are like! :eek:
Look at the areas in which they are strong, and if you still wonder why there are so few members, much less voters in the North of Scotland they frankly you are a trifle dense.
You'll be pleased to know that I've passed your test and am not a trifle dense. I've looked at the areas where the BNP are strong and I don't wonder why there are so few members in Caithness.
Of course, I suspect you and I reached different conclusions.
My conclusion is that there are large ethnic populations in those areas. When the economies in those areas started to decline the BNP were able to come in, point at the nearest black man or Asian and say “He did it!”. That's not going to hold much water in Caithness.
northener
23-Nov-08, 02:28
................ point at the nearest black man or Asian and say “He did it!”. That's not going to hold much water in Caithness.
You're right there, it's the English who get blamed for everything up here![lol];)
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Would it bother you to find out that someone you know may be on that list and why did you care enough to download it? They are, as you say, "a legal political party" so would you download a list of labour party members or those of any other political persuasion?
Wouldnt bother me in the slightest if someone I knew was on it.They can have their views in the same way I can have mine.
If i was treated by a Doctor who was a member or a polisman who was a member,I believe I would get the same treatment that a Muslim Pakistani doctor would give me. But saying that wasnt it an Iraqi Doctor who tried to blow up Glasgow airport?
I would be more interested to know if someone was a member of a terrorist organisation than a political party, after all Terrorists want to kill people so how do you know that they will treat you properly? Being a member of a political party doesnt make you a bad person,it just shows what pole you attach your flag to.
percy toboggan
23-Nov-08, 12:26
So many things to say about this single sentence...
First: being a tolerant person does not mean that you have to ignore intolerance. .........
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What does it mean then...what is 'required?....I'm tempted to play with your phrase a little and suggest it might require a degree of 'ignorance' .
We can enlighten the argument by perhaps examining why the BNP have become electable in some boroughs south of the border.
Do you think it reasonable for a child of mine to be educated in a classroom of thirty five kids, of whom only a third speak English as a first language?
Where his education is held back - if even for a year or two - because teachers are struggling to cope. Irrespective of the colours of their skin...and I am aware growing generations will need to accept difference much more readily than mine - the sheer folly of unfettered immigration which is taxpayer funded is bound to rub salt in the wounds.
Of course, you can say you'd revel in a cosmopolitan classroom for your own child but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Talk is cheap.
The child mentioned is for illustrative purposes only, thank God mine are in their thirties.
Education is just one area which is being affected, add housing, employment and the social volatitlity which a severe recession could bring and there is a cocktail for extremism...perhaps a measure of extremism is what is needed, although it has never been the British way. Yet.
Your mind is closed Mr.Soap, mine isn't. If my 'articulation' doesn't quite cut the mustard I'll have to lump it. I'd guess I could trot out your opinions on all sorts of matters and have a fair chance of being correct.
I doubt you could do the same of mine.
You're probably formulaic in your thinking, and inflexible once you have thought. BNP members and representatives (or the few I have listened to) are often poor speakers. Too many concentrate on just one element of their cause and and I am uncomfortable with some of their views...but...they offer me the only alternative to a mainstream party and they are a collective waste of time to someone like me. My vote however, is temporary and I can be wooed.
Offer me three things to celebrate in a multi-cultural society and I'll consider them. If you deign this a waste of your time we can agree to differ.
Do you think it reasonable for a child of mine to be educated in a classroom of thirty five kids, of whom only a third speak English as a first language?
Statistics. Great, aren't they? They can say whatever you want them to.
Two-thirds of these kids have English as a second language. What, exactly, does that tell me? It doesn't tell me how well they do speak English. Most of the people I know who live here permanently but for whom English is a second language still speak it very well. So whilst your statistic might sound shocking (and it was supposed to), it really means very little.
As for the classroom size: thirty-five kids per class seems too many to me. But simply saying that it is an immigration issue doesn't make it an immigration issue. Surely it's not a single-cause problem but, more, a result of successive policies which encourage (or at least don't discourage) larger class sizes with fewer teachers? It's hardly surprising given that England (presumably where this fictitious classroom is?) has a Schools Minister who has publicly stated that a class of seventy is acceptable with teaching assistants.
It's easy to hijack a problem and say it is a part of your crusade. It's an entirely different matter proving it.
Education is just one area which is being affected, add housing, employment and the social volatitlity which a severe recession could bring and there is a cocktail for extremism...perhaps a measure of extremism is what is needed, although it has never been the British way. Yet.
Well, before you go all extreme on us, perhaps you could explain why immigration is causing employment issues? Particularly, could you explain the apparent connection between areas which have suffered with the decline of the manufacturing industry and areas in which the BNP do well?
Your mind is closed Mr.Soap
Actually, my opinions are quite open to change... but only to reasoned argument, not to tub-thumping fear-mongering. Convince me.
I'd guess I could trot out your opinions on all sorts of matters and have a fair chance of being correct.
I doubt you could do the same of mine.
Perhaps the difference is that I wouldn't presume to be able to.
Offer me three things to celebrate in a multi-cultural society and I'll consider them.
I'm pretty sure that my celebration would be your wake... but:
1) It is a heck of a lot less boring than everybody being the same. I love to learn about other cultures – they are fascinating.
2) It helps to promote international trade and international relations... which, in turn, help promote international co-operation and peace. Clearly we've got a long way to go yet, so let's not stop now.
3) Can you imagine how stagnant our culture would become if it was bereft of outside influence? I was going to be flippant and suggest we might all still be wearing hosiery and talking like Shakespeare... but the truth is, even Shakespeare was the result of countless cultural blends over the centuries.
The Vikings, the Celts, the Romans, the Saxons, the Normans... just which culture would you like to lay claim to? [disgust]
Actually, my opinions are quite open to change... but only to reasoned argument, not to tub-thumping fear-mongering. Convince me.
[disgust]
"I get knocked down then I get up again you aint never gonna keep me down!"
C'mon everyone sing along:lol: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fm4iU0yx9GY
anneoctober
24-Nov-08, 13:38
"I get knocked down then I get up again you aint never gonna keep me down!"
C'mon everyone sing along:lol: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fm4iU0yx9GY
This is one of the songs that I've picked for my WAKE ![lol]
Wouldnt bother me in the slightest if someone I knew was on it.They can have their views in the same way I can have mine.
If i was treated by a Doctor who was a member or a polisman who was a member,I believe I would get the same treatment that a Muslim Pakistani doctor would give me. But saying that wasnt it an Iraqi Doctor who tried to blow up Glasgow airport?
I would be more interested to know if someone was a member of a terrorist organisation than a political party, after all Terrorists want to kill people so how do you know that they will treat you properly? Being a member of a political party doesnt make you a bad person,it just shows what pole you attach your flag to.It wouldn't bother you who was on the list yet you still downloaded it, strange logic.
The reason certain professionals are banned from joining the party is that their beliefs may compromise the fair treatment of the minority races in the UK. You say that you would recieve the same quality of treatment by a Doctor who is a member of the BNP as you would from a Muslim Pakistani doctor but then again, you are a white British citizen are you not? If you were a Pakistani, Iraqi, etc, you would expect and deserve the same quality of care from a Doctor that is a member of the BNP as you would from a Muslim Pakistani Doctor, but would you get it?
It wouldn't bother you who was on the list yet you still downloaded it, strange logic.
The reason certain professionals are banned from joining the party is that their beliefs may compromise the fair treatment of the minority races in the UK. You say that you would recieve the same quality of treatment by a Doctor who is a member of the BNP as you would from a Muslim Pakistani doctor but then again, you are a white British citizen are you not? If you were a Pakistani, Iraqi, etc, you would expect and deserve the same quality of care from a Doctor that is a member of the BNP as you would from a Muslim Pakistani Doctor, but would you get it?
6 and 2 3's to me, cant see what the difference is?
A BNP member that was doctor would be bound the Hypocratic oath and have a duty of care to ANY Patient,regardless of their persuasion.
Just because someone is a friend of Nick Griffin doesnt mean their a bad person and unfit for a job, does it? If I thought that I would be racist right?
I downloaded it because I wanted to, and in a free democratic society I am able to do that without fear of reprisals (except for org justice[lol])
6 and 2 3's to me, cant see what the difference is?
A BNP member that was doctor would be bound the Hypocratic oath and have a duty of care to ANY Patient,regardless of their persuasion.
Just because someone is a friend of Nick Griffin doesnt mean their a bad person and unfit for a job, does it? If I thought that I would be racist right?
I downloaded it because I wanted to, and in a free democratic society I am able to do that without fear of reprisals (except for org justice[lol])The hippocratic oath is nothing more than a moral code, some people have no morals when it comes to other races and not a code that will keep them in line..
The hippocratic oath is nothing more than a moral code, some people have no morals when it comes to other races and not a code that will keep them in line..
Who needs a code when you have the law? :rolleyes:
Who needs a code when you have the law? :rolleyes:It's never been circumvented, has it?
It's never been circumvented, has it?
What does Jewish air conditioning have to do with it![lol]
What does Jewish air conditioning have to do with it![lol]
Well done Rodders, now answer the goddamn question.
Well done Rodders, now answer the goddamn question.
The code or the law?
(I can see this being a long night!!:lol:)
All political parties have their extreme outer edges. Militant Tendency within Labour for instance, and no doubt there are some nutcases and Hitler sympathisers within the BNP.
It's enough to make me suspicious.
It's not the nutters who support the BNP who worry me, it's the Percy Tobaggans.
Percys not a nutter and he makes some valid points about modern day Britains cultures and society. He's also right. He has a valid point as an Englishman. I couldna argue about his fears but I could question his method of solving them. I would suggest without even checking out the evidence that there are more creeps in the BNP than in the rest of the political parties put together. Maybe I'm completely wrong but that doesnt matter. If that's the perception I have of BNP members how could I be anything but scathing when I try to understand them.
Their kind of nationalism worries me.
That's why Percy Tobaggans are more dangerous than skinheads. They have a case.
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