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Boboowest
20-Feb-07, 22:53
During this evening I have been considering something that happen to me at Dunnet Beach earlier today. I came to the conclusion that I should at least advise the police of the event if only to protect others who may not be as fortunate as I was. The police at Thurso have now been informed.
I left work and decided to have a jog along the beach before heading home. Just after starting out I noticed two dogs in the long grass approxmately 100 yards ahead. I immediately stopped running and started to walk as dogs do tend to have a go at runners. As I got closer the two dogs noticed me and began to bark. By now I was getting closer and the female owner appeared from behind one of the dunes. The dogs, which I could now see were very large and strong Bull Terriers, became increasing agressive with the larger one determined he was going to have a go at me. I held my hands in the air and stood perfectly still having decided this was my only option. The woman advised "he won't hurt you". My reply would not be permitted on the org. I felt the owner was scared of the larger dog as she made no immediate effort to get a hold of it. By now, this dog was very wound up so I decided I had to do something and started lower one of my arms. The dog reacted badly to this and was now jumping around me snarling and lurching forward at me in an emtremely agressive manner, to the extent i could feel its breath on my legs. The woman then screamed at the dog and it retreated to her allowing her to grab it's collar. I was a little shocked at what happened and just told the woman that it's a was a good job I was not a child and had the good judgement to stand still. I have absolutely no doubt that had I moved then this dog would have attacked me. If I had my two westie terriers with me then they would have been attacked as they would ahve tried to protect me. I have no doubt that a child would have been attacked. The dogs were both Bull Terriers one white, the large one darker and more multi coloured. Like everyone else, I have read the newspapers about these dogs and always thought they could not be that bad to handle. I am a fit (ish) guy but I could not have handled this fellow. They are very impressive beasts but my goodness they are dangerouse and this lady was bang out of order allowing it to run free. I actually never studied the owner that much (looking at the dogs most of the time) but there was a dark coloured Vauxhall Astra parked nearby. I think she had dark curly hair and glasses.
The bigger of these two dogs will one day hurt somebody badly. Please beware!
Mr P Cannop
20-Feb-07, 23:10
that sounds scary
sassylass
21-Feb-07, 08:01
I never understand people who don't control their dogs, you were very lucky.
As a dog owner I am horrified at what happened to you; how fortunate you dealt with it very sensibly but it must have still been very frightening.
I love my dog dearly but that doesn't blind me to the fact that he is an animal and though domesticated, still has animal instincts. After all, look at what humans can do to each other.
You were quite right to report it; if these (or any) dogs are involved in an incident in the future you would regret not having reported them. Let's hope that the owner will never let this happen again.
i used to come across some very aggressive dogs when i was a multi-drop van driver. i had a customer that i just used to throw the parcel in the garden as i wouldnt even go within 4 feet of the wall or gate. i did have a couple of dogs run at me and they would have attacked had i not 'intervened'.
i only once been bitten and luckily for the dog it just caught my trousers. but the owner laughingly told me, ' oh i just got that dog and it bit my 3 year old yesterday '. well if she wasnt going to do anything about the dog, i sure was, and promptly went to the police station.
some people shouldnt have dogs or any animal for that matter if they cant control it.
hope you ok now boboowest. it can be very scary. happy jogging fron now on.
emszxr, that is just the sort of owner I abhor! I really think pet owners of that calibre should always be reported before there is a terrible incident.
my aunt has an evil dog as well. its a dashund.. so luckily its small. this creature is vile. it will attack anyone it can, bar my aunt.
she just laughs it off saying poor smokey wont actually hurt anyone.
but at the same time he is locked away when someone comes to the house as he will without doubt attack whoever he can get his evil little teeth into.
what if he got a hold of a baby?
a grown person or large child wouldnt be badly hurt but even a small dog can kill a baby.
i wont allow us to go to her house when we are home, as even though the dog is in a cage or locked in another room. one of the kids could easily slip past and open the door.
my children have no fear of dogs as they have never seen an aggresive animal.
grrrr... makes my blood boli *Grins8
brandy
danc1ngwitch
21-Feb-07, 09:41
A similar thing happened to me as it did ta brandy. The dog which was a bull typed terrior was no more than a pup ( the lady said ) he did not like the look of me while i was walkin by. I stood still and did not move, the owner quickly came out and she was very sorry. The dog had never done nothing like that before. I was alright as i am used ta dogs but if i had had my lil one in the carrier i cant help but think that instead of jumpin an missin my arm would he have took her instead???. Dog react differently when u enter their domain or threaten what they think they need to protect. I beleive in this case this dog thought i was the threat to his home. He i suppose did the right thing ( he kept me still, he snarled and went around me jumpin for me ) If i had been an intruder and i had been in his yard, i would have been caught. This dog would have been praised
Glenys Hirst
21-Feb-07, 10:31
I think all dogs should be on a lead when out walking regardless of the type of dog in public places..extended leads can be used anyhow..and muzzles if necessarily(sp)
I think all dogs should be on a lead when out walking regardless of the type of dog in public places..extended leads can be used anyhow..and muzzles if necessarily(sp)
I have to agree with that. I'm reluctant to take my dog out a walk because other dogs always sniff about him and won't leave him alone. I'm worried incase he has enough and attacks them - he's always on a lead, but which dog would be to blame?
MagicalTrevor
21-Feb-07, 13:15
Its the classic quotes that always get me -
"He won't touch ya" or "He's harmless"
as it rips off my arm
I have two small teriers, they do not go out except on a lead - when I had only one dog it was attacked twice whilst on the lead. First time a man was out walking his dog, he passed my neighbour and I who were chatting outside neighbours house, his dog suddenly attacked my dog, no warning but as my dog was on lead I just hauled him up, he was swinging on lead but this collie was hanging on my dogs tail. My dog, neighbour and myself were so shocked and especially when this man advised me to keep my dog under control!
A few weeks later I was again walking my dog on the lead when a dog ran out from a garden we were passing, attacked my dog - again I pulled the lead and got my dog in my arms but this dog was jumping and biting (was same dog as previously attacked my dog).
I know I was trying to get rid of it, telling it down, eventually I think I did kick it as I could not get away (by this time I had my dog under my big jacket, not easy with a cairn terrier) and dog was continuing to try to attack me and my dog.
I went back to the owners house after I had put my dog in my house, nobody answered. I took my dog and went to police, they could see my dog was a softie. Police adivsed these people to keep their dog under control.
The lady of the house came that day, screaming at me for going to the police - first time in 40 years she had police at her door - advised her as it was not first time her dog had attacked my dog whilst my dog was on lead she had not done anything about her dog first time I now had to do something to protect my dog, any other dog and any humans.
She then advised me it had never attacked a human!!!
My cairn still does not trust collies - except the few he knows well.
The westie (extremely friendly) head butts the ram when it attacks her but next minute they are licking each others faces, she would definitely fight if she was attacked. The two dogs together great company for each other, but I never forget they are a pack animal and I am the leader.
Its the classic quotes that always get me -
"He won't touch ya" or "He's harmless"
as it rips off my arm
So true. I've only had 2 really bad experiences with dogs-
1) Visited a friend's Mum who lived on a farm. She kept a bloodhound. Dog greeted me by placing her paws on my shoulders, digging in, and shredding my coat right down to the hem. Owners' response: "she was only being friendly, she likes you". :confused
2) My daughter was just 2 (on our way crossing the park to playgroup for the first time) when a large mongrel bounded across the grass and flattened her. Owner's reponse: "The dog was only playing. He wouldn't hurt her!"
Both times I was made to feel I was being unreasonable not thinking it was all just jolly fun.
Pat's right, dogs are pack animals and in these cases their owners were not in charge of the pack.
My daughter's 26 now, and she still doesn't like dogs :(
We have two Yorkies and when i say they wont harm you i mean just that , they will likely lick you to death, but i cannot take them out except on leads as the older one does not like other dogs and is very agressive toward them,[only to other dogs bigger than himself & all other dogs are bigger than him] but if it came 2 the point where he looked as if, or ever did attack anyone i would certainly take measures to ensure that it would never occur again.
[lol]
Boboowest
21-Feb-07, 14:51
I started this thread and I‘m please to see the positive reaction. I am sure many people have had similar experiences. I think it all boils down to the individuals own ability to act in a responsible manner. The very fact that someone decides to purchase a pair of Bull Terriers possibly makes a statement about that individual. I know this is a sweeping statement and is unfair on the responsible Bull Terrier owners, but in my defence I am a little annoyed just now. I have two West Highland Terriers and believe myself to be a reasonably responsible dog owner. I walk them on the beach but if I see someone around I immediately call them back and put their leads on. If the beach is busy then I use their extending leads. The fact that they are more likely to lick someone to death is irrelevant, as only I know that fact. I would also be embarrassed if they were to jump up on somebody’s good clothes.
Clearly the person I met on the beach showed total disregarded for the safely of others and cared more about her own macho image.
The sad reality of this situation is that I will now not use the beach again for my evening jog. The fear of meeting this beast (and the dogs) far outweighs any enjoyment I would gain from the jogging.
Such is life
i like some kinds of dogs, but my oldest is a bit scared of all dogs and when dogs come near him the owners always say there just being friendly or wouldnt harm a flea does make me slightly mad. having said that both my kids would like a dog but im not sure yet so meantime its a no.
This type of dog owner is every where - our old dog (no longer with us) was attacked by an English Bull Terrier while out on a walk one morning - she wasn't physically injured (apart from bruising) but it changed her attitude to dogs from then on. The owner of the terrier made no attempt to aplogise merely saying "He hasn't done that before"...
Our remaining dog is ALWAYS put on a lead when approaching or passing other dogs but so many people just let their mutts run up and they inevitably head for the back end. Bearing in mind my dog is on the lead she gets a bit defensive at this approach. But do these peole even attempt to control their dogs aside from a useless attempt to call them back? Nope.
Maybe we sensible dog owners need to carry something like this 0 http://www.cooldogtoys.com/directstop.php
But everyone has a responsibility to control their dogs when in a public place - if they do not, then they need reporting.
When i was 8 i had an encounter with a dog. The dog seemed calm and very energetic. As it approached me it started to growl so i ran up the slide (i was at the playpark with my friends) and it tore my coat right off my back. I can understand how scared you probably were. As my dad told me. "It's got 4 legs and you've got 2. Protect yourself because if it decides to have a go then you cant outrun it." The best thing to do probably is if you were attacked is to get it on its back and hold the jaws shut with your knee. I have seen it done by proffesionals.
i think you were right to report this incident to the police. dog owners need to be more responsible at all times. i often meet dogs with their owners at the beach and the dogs come right up to me,even jumping up on me. they are rarely called immediately by their owners. a runner friend of mine has similar probs and is often chased by barking dogs while jogging at the beach and down the riverside.
I have a friend who got a 7 month old collie. When she got it as a pup my kids had fun going over there to see the dog, pet it and play with with it under supervision. Now everytime we go over there, if we are in the garden the dog tends to jump up on us a lot and it goes straight for my kids faces, licking them- yuk! I'm concerned that it could bite instaed of lick one day. So we are a bit hesitant to go over there now. I don't want my kids to be afraid of dogs but I am not happy about the dog jumping up to their faces the whole time. She has been taking the dog to obedience classes, is this normal behaviour for the dog at it's age or should my friend be doing something to nip this in the bud ?
cuddlepop
21-Feb-07, 20:09
Collies have a habit of doing this.Dont know if its instinct to bring a sheep down or what but its so difficult to stop.
My own collie was never allowed to jump up even as a puppy and as a sedate old lady couldn't if she tried.My daughters has been spoiled rotten and jumps up to give you a cuddle and a big sloppery lick.I cant get her to stop this behaviour when she's with us and its a problem the kids just cant see.:(
Unfortunatly I had to put a dog down that jumped up on my wee brothers friend and the dogs teeth took a chunk out of his cheek.It was probably through excitment because they were mucking about but I couldn't take the risk.:~(
You were right to report the dog.
When i was 8 i had an encounter with a dog. The dog seemed calm and very energetic. As it approached me it started to growl so i ran up the slide (i was at the playpark with my friends) and it tore my coat right off my back. I can understand how scared you probably were. As my dad told me. "It's got 4 legs and you've got 2. Protect yourself because if it decides to have a go then you cant outrun it." The best thing to do probably is if you were attacked is to get it on its back and hold the jaws shut with your knee. I have seen it done by proffesionals.
Despite Bloo's advice I would suggest the safest thing to do is to stand completely still, with your hands protecting your privates and don't make eye contact with the dog.
There are no bad dogs, just bad owners.
Whitewater
21-Feb-07, 23:30
I have been bitten 3 times by dogs, all bites were inflicted by border collies. I have had dogs in the family and now my children have them. All are/ have been Boxers. Daft and lovable, but they can be severe with other dogs. The males can be very boisterous and knock small children over very easily. I have never known one to get aggresive with people, but we have always been very strict with them. However, having said that I will not trust any dog 100%. You have always to be on the look out, and be aware of the dogs body language, particularly when they meet strangers. Perhaps some people give off odours or vibes of some sort which can aggrivate certain dogs.
Trouble with most "bad" dogs is their owners lack of understanding and control, and some people have dogs as pets which are really just for fashion.
To my mind the most aggrerssive dog and most dangerous is the Jack Russel, they become very jealous and aggressive for no aparent reason, particularly with young children.
Always best to treat all dogs with respect, and remember that all dogs can be dangerous in the wrong hands.
A properly trained dog is a pleasure to own, and they are the soul companions of many lonely old people.
Dog is just God spelled backwards.
sassylass
22-Feb-07, 02:40
snip To my mind the most aggrerssive dog and most dangerous is the Jack Russel, they become very jealous and aggressive for no aparent reason, particularly with young children. snip
Our fox terrier Kirby was like that. Though he liked us, he was awful with people outside the immediate family. In retrospect, we did him a disservice for not giving him intensive professional training.
ywindythesecond
23-Feb-07, 01:43
There are no bad dogs, just bad owners.
Nothing more to say.
mums angels
23-Feb-07, 14:59
I was bitten when i was young by one of the family dogs ans my mother was bitten by the other on the whole they were "good" dogs but its showed me that all dogs can turn i had sat on the floor beside the sleeping dog and it got a fright and bit me on my face (luckily healed well) and my mother got a serious bite on her hand seperating a dog fight(silly thing to do,)
My children have NEVER and WILL NEVER be left alone with a dog and it is one of the main reasons i won't have one as a pet
I had a dog that was well socialised and great with all people and animals. Suddenly she started to become upset if children were around. It came to light that the local kids had been teasing her in our own safe garden and throwing things at her. No doubt my dog and I would have got a bad reputation if she had tried to retaliate. No such thing as bad dogs. In this case I guess it would be bad parents.
We have a jack russel - she is a lovely wee thing but she BARKS at people she doesnt know. We always put her away when someone arrives and introduce her gently to the person or people. Cnce she has been introduced she is fine.
Inadditon she barks very loudly and growls when she comes across another dog when we are out so we always keep her on the lead - an extendable one. Interestingly she never does this if we are out in a busy place where there are lots of peple but see in a quiet wood and someone walks by - boy does she go off on one.
Buttercup
23-Feb-07, 23:16
I had a dog that was well socialised and great with all people and animals. Suddenly she started to become upset if children were around. It came to light that the local kids had been teasing her in our own safe garden and throwing things at her. No doubt my dog and I would have got a bad reputation if she had tried to retaliate. No such thing as bad dogs. In this case I guess it would be bad parents.
I've had this problem too. My dog loves kids and was used to many stopping at our gate and speaking to him, he hardly ever barked. But all that changed when a certain few "angels" in the area decided it would be fun to annoy a dog that couldn't get at them. They would approach the gate and start barking at the dog and then annoy him by poking sticks at him. They managed to turn a very friendly dog into one who barks at everyone going by the gate. Although being fair he is literally all bark and no bite. But these kid's, according to their mother's are angels, have dogs of their own and would never do anything like that! :roll:
my aunt has an evil dog as well. its a dashund..
Brandy, dogs are not evil. They seem so because they weren't properly trained/dealt with/raised/supervised. Dogs have behavioural because of their owners. Some are bigger and can do more harm, thats all.
I've had this problem too. My dog loves kids and was used to many stopping at our gate and speaking to him, he hardly ever barked. But all that changed when a certain few "angels" in the area decided it would be fun to annoy a dog that couldn't get at them. They would approach the gate and start barking at the dog and then annoy him by poking sticks at him. They managed to turn a very friendly dog into one who barks at everyone going by the gate. Although being fair he is literally all bark and no bite. But these kid's, according to their mother's are angels, have dogs of their own and would never do anything like that! :roll:
Exactly that Buttercup.
j4bberw0ck
24-Feb-07, 12:54
my aunt has an evil dog as well. its a dashund.. so luckily its small. this creature is vile. it will attack anyone it can, bar my aunt.
I cannot abide people who allow dogs to go this way. (Yeah, I know, my "can't abide" list is a long one.... :lol: )
It's because the dog only recognises your aunt and itself as being in its "pack". Everyone else is a threat because the dog worries that if they join the pack, it'll end up further down the pecking order and so not as much in contact with the "top dog" - your aunt. Dogs have to be taught that humans - all of 'em - are higher up the pecking order than they are. Then they can start to understand properly about when to defend "their" human.
[Look away now, _Ju_ [lol] ]
That dachshund needs a good slap across the chops - and then another one until it learns. It's too late for "proper" training once it's learned it can scare people - dogs that know they can scare have just boosted themselves up the pecking order, and that's all that matters in a dog's pack mentality. Ergo, it needs to be shoved - hard - back down the pecking order. Shoved hard because dogs need certainty and clarity in their lives even more than humans do.
[OK, _Ju_ , coast's clear!]
And what if that slap across the chops incites a bite in retaliation!
I prefer to be firm and tell it "bad, bad" in a strong voice and then withdraw attention and isolate the dog until it knows I won't stand any nonsense. It still gets fed and watered and is reasonably comfortable but loses my attention and affection and even has to stand out in the cold for a while if necessary.
Then, after a reasonable time, I let it into the house but still am cool with my attention. Dogs are clever, they like to be acknowledged and get a loving touch but they do have to know their place in relation to humans.
[Look away now, _Ju_ [lol] ]
That dachshund needs a good slap across the chops - and then another one until it learns. It's too late for "proper" training once it's learned it can scare people - dogs that know they can scare have just boosted themselves up the pecking order, and that's all that matters in a dog's pack mentality. Ergo, it needs to be shoved - hard - back down the pecking order. Shoved hard because dogs need certainty and clarity in their lives even more than humans do.
[OK, _Ju_ , coast's clear!]
Actually you're not far off.... dogs do need to be taught the hierarchy. If you start young (puppy) with something as simple as feeding the pup only after he has seen you eat (even if it's just one bite of something) you never get to need a slap across the chops, because you are telling him that you are top dog and boss by eating first. Sometimes a chop is necessary in the way it would happen in a wild pack.....
Me thinks j4bberw0ck is under the impression that I molly coddle all fluffy living critters... ;)
j4bberw0ck
24-Feb-07, 13:14
And what if that slap across the chops incites a bite in retaliation!
Er, repeat as necessary..... and wear leather gardening gloves?
I prefer to be firm and tell it "bad, bad" in a strong voice and then withdraw attentionI know what you're saying, Torvaig, and I certainly wouldn't advocate a slap round the chops for a Rott or GSD, but when your strong voice shoots up a few octaves because 10lbs of dachshund is hanging by its teeth from your testicles, don't expect me to believe you'll withdraw attention! [lol][lol]
<edit> Woops, making gender assumptions here! Substitute mental image as necessary! </edit>
j4bberw0ck
24-Feb-07, 13:17
Me thinks j4bberw0ck is under the impression that I molly coddle all fluffy living critters...
Who, moi? http://www.teddies.be/Forum/images/smiles/pfeif.gif http://www.teddies.be/Forum/images/smiles/baeh.gif
"I know what you're saying, Torvaig, and I certainly wouldn't advocate a slap round the chops for a Rott or GSD, but when your strong voice shoots up a few octaves because 10lbs of dachshund is hanging by its teeth from your testicles, don't expect me to believe you'll withdraw attention! [lol][lol]"
Mmm..... yes, I see what you mean!
I know what you're saying, Torvaig, and I certainly wouldn't advocate a slap round the chops for a Rott or GSD, but when your strong voice shoots up a few octaves because 10lbs of dachshund is hanging by its teeth from your testicles, don't expect me to believe you'll withdraw attention! [lol][lol]
oooooooooooooooo that brought tears to my eyes. Now what kind of tears?
blondscot
25-Feb-07, 14:35
I have 3 dogs two of which are rescued all my dogs are walked on a lead and if they are runnning loose in a park and another dog approaches i call my dogs to heal not because they are wild or anything but it is manners to let others pass without strange dogs running around them trying to speak to their dog.
There are no bad dogs but there are bad owners some of them who do not realise that they have trained them in the wrong way and then there are those who think that it is macho to have wild acting dogs and train them to be like this and then it can backfire and something gets hurt.!! I have been bitten twice once a young lass by a corgi when it wanted to play with my dog and i wanted to take my dog home and the other time by a spaniel when i tried to split up a fight!! both times was my own fault although i think the corgi was more in the wrong than i !!!
My dogs although i have not had them since they were pups it is possible to train them to understand where they are in the pack and who is leader but we are all responsible for our pets and we must think of others in the way we train them to behave
porshiepoo
25-Feb-07, 18:13
That dachshund needs a good slap across the chops - and then another one until it learns. It's too late for "proper" training once it's learned it can scare people - dogs that know they can scare have just boosted themselves up the pecking order, and that's all that matters in a dog's pack mentality. Ergo, it needs to be shoved - hard - back down the pecking order. Shoved hard because dogs need certainty and clarity in their lives even more than humans do.
And that will do nothing more than increase the chances of ending up with a dog that is a danger.
A frightened, beaten dog is just as dangerous as a dog that is molly coddled and someone who feels it's ok to resort to that behaviour really should think twice about whether they have the right mentality to keep a dog.
There are many many ways to teach a dog it's place in 'The pack' and ideally these things should be instigated from puppy stage but no matter what age a dog, it can learn new tricks. You have to remember that hierarchy is instinct to a dog - they don't outgrow it.
Usually you'll find that when pack position is made clear you end up with a happy, balanced little dog that doesn't feel the need to attack and is quite controlable.
Personally, my dogs go everywhere on the lead and I'm not happy about letting them off lead unless I can see for a fair distance and only then if I know my recall powers are good enough.
j4bberw0ck
25-Feb-07, 22:49
A frightened, beaten dog is just as dangerous as a dog that is molly coddled and someone who feels it's ok to resort to that behaviour really should think twice about whether they have the right mentality to keep a dog.
Thanks, Porshiepoo, for your views on my mentality :lol: .
A frightened, beaten dog is one that only knows about being abused. I tend to the view that any dog which attacks people is one which needs a swift lesson, and if the owner (as pack leader) isn't prepared to provide it, then the dog needs to have the same lesson in psychology it would receive from another dog in a pack. As I'm sure you're aware really, I'm not advocating beating the thing half to death. It's not the dog's fault, after all, but giving the owner a slap round the chops seems a little harsh.
There are many many ways to teach a dog it's place in 'The pack' and ideally these things should be instigated from puppy stage but no matter what age a dog, it can learn new tricks.
Usually you'll find that when pack position is made clear you end up with a happy, balanced little dog that doesn't feel the need to attack and is quite controlable.
Yes, I believe I'd made clear. Instilling respect for others and knowledge of place from the puppy stage is a no-brainer, really, but in the case I was commenting on that wasn't an option.....
Just got back online after a couple of weeks away and what an interesting thread. Of course agressive dogs need to be reported. The breed described is I think one of those clearly described in the Dangerous Dogs Act and if the animal was so close to being out of its owner's control the police hopefully will take whatever action they can.
As another dog owner and lover I've been chased and frightened by dogs in the past - Nowadays I have to say I agree with a lot of the common sense in the replies I've read. Pack order is really important. Training for BOTH Owner and Dog is essential. One tip an extremely old professional dog trainer gave me, was treat the dog as if it is a pup and you its mother or dominant male - pick it up by the scruff of the neck, shake it a little while delivering a sharp verbal reprimand. Have tried it - amazing response from dog - ears dropped, head and eyes lowered and what I can only describe as a look of shock on his face.
Apparently that loose skin is how Mum and DAd move them around when very little and how the parent dog would administer discipline. The dogs have a strong memory of that apparently. I did note that small owner with large dog might find it hard.
Lets hope we can all keep a look out for things like this and hopefully prevent a careless owner leaving their poorly trained pet in a position where the authorities may order it destroyed.
The dogs concerned were English Bull Terriers and are currently not a banned breed under the dangerous dogs Act 1991.
Although the Police would have grounds to prosecute if it could be proven that these dogs were "dangerously out of control in a public place."
porshiepoo
27-Feb-07, 00:15
Just got back online after a couple of weeks away and what an interesting thread. Of course agressive dogs need to be reported. The breed described is I think one of those clearly described in the Dangerous Dogs Act and if the animal was so close to being out of its owner's control the police hopefully will take whatever action they can.
Completely agree. Agressive dogs should be reported as should their owners. I'm not saying every single owner of an agressive dog is a dog beating, mindless thug but i do believe ignorance is involved in the majority of cases.
It amazes me that any old tom, dick or harry regardless of mentality is allowed to own any breed of dog without any serious thought having to be put into the whole equation.
This is a breed of animal that, in the wrong hands - whether violent or ignorant - has the ability to be a lethal weapon and unfortunately for the poor dog, it usually has to be euthanised. Something I believe could be avoided if only a modicum of common sense and less 'Ahhhhh' factor had been shown in the first place.
As another dog owner and lover I've been chased and frightened by dogs in the past - Nowadays I have to say I agree with a lot of the common sense in the replies I've read. Pack order is really important. Training for BOTH Owner and Dog is essential. One tip an extremely old professional dog trainer gave me, was treat the dog as if it is a pup and you its mother or dominant male - pick it up by the scruff of the neck, shake it a little while delivering a sharp verbal reprimand. Have tried it - amazing response from dog - ears dropped, head and eyes lowered and what I can only describe as a look of shock on his face. Can honestly say I've never had the chance to try that on my dogs - even as pups Danes are just too big. lol.
But I do use the scruff of the neck technique when needed to frontline my cats - certainly makes the whole procedure quicker and less scratchy, but I do believe it works in a different way for cats.
For the larger breed I've had to resort to wrestling the dog to the ground and laying over him until he submits. This may sound a tad extreme or even cruel but believe me it isn't and it certainly works. This particularly naughty (verging on agressive dominant) entire male dane was going to be beyond rehoming if something wasn't done. Unfortunately his previous owners had found him too much to cope with and I ended up rescueing a complete imbecile. The method worked though (along with a trip to the vets to have to have his 'man' bits removed) and I was able to find this eventually loving, calm large boy a fantastic home.
It's not a method for the faint hearted though cos if you fail to get him down and keep him down you'll just make things a whole lot worse for yourself.
Apparently that loose skin is how Mum and DAd move them around when very little and how the parent dog would administer discipline. The dogs have a strong memory of that apparently. I did note that small owner with large dog might find it hard.LOL> Extremely!
Lets hope we can all keep a look out for things like this and hopefully prevent a careless owner leaving their poorly trained pet in a position where the authorities may order it destroyed.We can but try!
Educate people!
porshiepoo
27-Feb-07, 00:25
The dogs concerned were English Bull Terriers and are currently not a banned breed under the dangerous dogs Act 1991.
Although the Police would have grounds to prosecute if it could be proven that these dogs were "dangerously out of control in a public place."
One of my first dogs at the age of 17 was a staffie. I wasn't very experienced in dogs at that time and my boyfriends mate had a dog that he'd asked my boyfriend to take to be euthanised as he had cold bloodedly killed the neighbours poodle!
Course me being young, naiive, ignorant, stupid blah blah blah did the old 'Ah but you can't, he's sooooo sweet'.
Yep, we ended up keeping him. now this dog (an entire male) was nasty to all dogs and I certainly wouldn't trust him around people but he was the soppiest thing going with me.
We put in the work and eventually ended up with a castrated male that could be walked with other dogs and was no longer a menace to society.....until....
He ripped apart my now husbands, fathers house and as we were living with him at the time we had to rehome him as father in law said we couldn't take him back there. He spent a couple of months in dog kennels while we tried to sort something else out but then the dnagerous dog act started mentioning staffies and nowhere wanted him so we ended up having to take him to the RSPCA. That was probably the hardest thing I ever had to do, Buster had become such a friend to me.
Hopefully, he managed to find a loving home but that was the first experience that got me interested in dogs and how they think.
These are the only prohibited breed mentioned in the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.
The Pit Bull Terrier
The Japanese tosa
The Dogo Argentino
The Fila Brasileiro
porshiepoo
27-Feb-07, 15:52
These are the only prohibited breed mentioned in the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.
The Pit Bull Terrier
The Japanese tosa
The Dogo Argentino
The Fila Brasileiro
Not to be picky but I never said Staffies were ON the register.
Staffies and many others were getting mentioned left right and centre at the time and it had an impact on the all the local kennels who obviously had to take into account concerns from other customers.
Just so's we're clear on that!
Sorry I misunderstood when you said;
"but then the dnagerous dog act started mentioning staffies"
only last weekend a cadet was bitten by a dog while up at the oldman range wick. he was coming back from going to the toilet and was bitten by one of the dogs that hang about there.
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