View Full Version : Wick Sheriff Court - the same surnames still appear week after week?
secrets in symmetry
05-Jan-13, 22:36
Over a period of many years, I looked at the reports from Wick Sheriff Court in the Courier and the Groat, and I despaired when I saw the same surnames (and members of the same families) appearing week after week, month after month, and year after year....
Like most others, I have no failsafe recipe for halting the spread of violent crime (and gratuitous violence) between generations, and between siblings of the same generation....
I shouldn't claim this as a healthy development, but, in recent months, I've noticed many new surnames appearing in the lists of defendants. Many of these surnames are not indigenous to the County, or indeed to the Country. Should this new, more heterogeneous, class of defendant be vilified, or should we be thankful that the downward spiral of criminal activity in some local families may have decreased? Is my previous question anything other than wishful thinking? Am I wrong in hoping that some of my peers from my schooldays have been somehow rescued from the life of incarceration that they seemed destined for?
The law exists to protect the "haves" from the "have nots". Therefore society will always prejudice the "have nots".
The law exists to protect the "haves" from the "have nots". Therefore society will always prejudice the "have nots".
Whats side of the fence do you lie on sickly?
Nobody should make statements on this about whos names inthe courier each week>
Bullseye!
06-Jan-13, 09:55
Nobody should make statements on this about whos names inthe courier each week>
Why not? the names are in the paper for them breaking the law so why not speak about it? Anyway no names have been mentioned by anyone!
As SIS says its the same names in there week upon week, and every time they are locked up in a cell, appear in court, on bail pending background reports, put on probation, sent to prison, its costing us taxpayers money :confused
@SIS, I doubt your peers have been rescued
And why does the Groat (and the great copier Donaldson) only ever report the criminal cases - why not the civil ones? They are also publicly listed; the public can sit in on them; and anyone can ask for the outcome. So, for example, this week we have: Hutchinson v Saxon. Allan v Webber. The Chief Constable v Scott C Lindsay. And before someone spits the dummy out over mentioning names, they are all publicly available here:http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/coming-to-court/location-information?loc=Wick%20Sheriff%20Court%20and%20Jus tice%20of%20the%20Peace%20Court
But both the Groat and Donaldsn select what they write about there was a case listed in Edinburgh High Court of a Caithness man who got Seven Years Jail ,for serious crimes but never mentioned once by Donaldson or the Groat.double Standards I would say this case took place last November and Donaldson knew about it.
Have to agree very selective, why not all or none?
rogermellie
06-Jan-13, 13:49
Many of these surnames are not indigenous to the County, or indeed to the Country.
me no understand ... could you give some examples of these surnames and some evidence that they aren't from this county/country
billmoseley
06-Jan-13, 14:16
surely if they didn't misbehave then they wouldn't have their names in the paper simples.
surely if they didn't misbehave then they wouldn't have their names in the paper simples.
Not everybody who ends up in court (and subsequently the papers) is there because of misbehaviour*, many end up there simply because the broke an unjust law.
*My definition of misbehaviour is doing harm to others against their will.
M Swanson
06-Jan-13, 14:53
"Indiginous," SiS? My goodness who are they? If this was England the socialists would run you out of town for using such an adjective. :lol:
Not everybody who ends up in court (and subsequently the papers) is there because of misbehaviour*, many end up there simply because the broke an unjust law.
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Yeah, those laws against hitting people and breaking bottles on the road were passed by lackeys of the fascist hyenas!
Yeah, those laws against hitting people and breaking bottles on the road were passed by lackeys of the fascist hyenas!
*My definition of misbehaviour is doing harm to others against their will.
Those fit into my definition quite nicely so what actually is your point?
Not everybody who ends up in court (and subsequently the papers) is there because of misbehaviour*, many end up there simply because the broke an unjust law.
*My definition of misbehaviour is doing harm to others against their will.
Could you list the unjust laws for us please. (This should be good)
Could you list the unjust laws for us please. (This should be good)
Well.... The obvious start is the drug laws.... If I want to take drugs why shouldn't I, what harm am doing to others? How often do you see people in court simply because they had a bit of cannabis in their pocket?
If you want to know my position on any other laws then just ask.
Those fit into my definition quite nicely so what actually is your point?
I disagreed, sarcastically, with the rubbish of yours that I quoted. Quoted again below. I don't give a toss about your definition of anything thanks.
Not everybody who ends up in court (and subsequently the papers) is there because of misbehaviour*, many end up there simply because the broke an unjust law.
I don't give a toss about your definition of anything thanks. That's why I did not quote or refer to it.
Well.... The obvious start is the drug laws.... If I want to take drugs why shouldn't I, what harm am doing to others? How often do you see people in court simply because they had a bit of cannabis in their pocket?
If you want to know my position on any other laws then just ask.
Depends what "unjust" means. Are these idiots unable to avoid having cannabis in their pocket? Does it grow wild in there?
Well.... The obvious start is the drug laws.... If I want to take drugs why shouldn't I, what harm am doing to others? How often do you see people in court simply because they had a bit of cannabis in their pocket?
If you want to know my position on any other laws then just ask.
See the problem is; Society makes the laws. You cannot pick and choose which suit you and which don't. IMO if you reject some laws you have no right to expect to be protected by others.
See the problem is; Society makes the laws. You cannot pick and choose which suit you and which don't. IMO if you reject some laws you have no right to expect to be protected by others.
So... What you are saying is that back when homosexuality was illegal if you where homosexual you automatically lost all your rights?
So... What you are saying is that back when homosexuality was illegal if you where homosexual you automatically lost all your rights?
The law at the time is what society wants isn't it?
It used to be legal to own another person or burn a witch. We have much more sensible laws now.
billmoseley
06-Jan-13, 18:52
If its a law of the land then you have to obey that's how it works. we may not like some of the laws but tough. I don't think there is a country in the world that you can pick and choose which law you obey
If its a law of the land then you have to obey that's how it works. we may not like some of the laws but tough. I don't think there is a country in the world that you can pick and choose which law you obey
I'm not advocating law breaking, just saying that some things people end up in court for are unjust & that you can't class all lawbreakers as troublemakers.
secrets in symmetry
06-Jan-13, 21:38
Well.... The obvious start is the drug laws.... If I want to take drugs why shouldn't I, what harm am doing to others? How often do you see people in court simply because they had a bit of cannabis in their pocket?
If you want to know my position on any other laws then just ask.I surprised myself by agreeing that possession of Cannabis shouldn't be illegal in the Political Compass questionnaire. I think I might believe it, but I'm not 100% sure.
Anyone who understands the significance of that last sentence gets a free spliff. :cool:
As to the fate of my wrongdoing peers... One is dead, one is in jail, God knows what the others are up to....
....I think I might believe it, but I'm not 100% sure.
Anyone who understands the significance of that last sentence gets a free spliff. :cool:
You're having a spliff right now just to make sure? :eek:
secrets in symmetry
06-Jan-13, 21:52
me no understand ... could you give some examples of these surnames and some evidence that they aren't from this county/countryPut it this way, when the Groat refers to Mr Smiff from Dahn Sahff, Ms Smirnova form East Baltica and Mr Dodobird from ALandWayDoonSooth, I think we may safely assume they aren't indigenous folk.
secrets in symmetry
06-Jan-13, 21:55
You're having a spliff right now just to make sure? :eek:It's much more subtle than that lol.
But I am having an excellent Chilean Merlot from the posh wine shop a couple of streets away. :cool:
I'm not advocating law breaking, just saying that some things people end up in court for are unjust & that you can't class all lawbreakers as troublemakers.
Oh well, the world is full of peeps that know better. We usually don't need 'em
Is it the case that the bobbies have targets to meet?
When we arrived in Caithness I remember a piece on the front page of the Groat. It made me laugh and was a source of amusement for my friends in Manchester for whom the local paper was the Manchester Evening News and full.... even then of murders, serious robberies and assaults. It was a report which said that the police were searching for 2 youths who had kicked over the sign outside Elizabeth's chippy. I often used to think that the police in Caithness would turn out for stuff they wouldnt have bothered stopping for back in Manchester. I didnt make any sort of analysis of this ...it was just a feeling.
secrets in symmetry
07-Jan-13, 00:38
Oh well, the world is full of peeps that know better. We usually don't need 'emHa! I happen to know that Federico Luigi Ducati will be up in court this week for smuggling Fusilli Bucati into Scotland - and I also know that you think he has done nothing wrong! :cool:
I despaired when I saw the same surnames ....... I've noticed many new surnames appearing in the lists of defendants. Many of these surnames are not indigenous to the County, or indeed to the Country.
Here's a snapshot for those listed to appear during this coming week then.....analyse that....
1
Mervyn AHMED
2
William BRUCE ALLAN
3
Graham BAIN
4
Andrew STEVEN BERESFORD
5
James PETER TYERMAN BERESFORD
6
Latieshia ELLEN BREMNER
7
Latieshia ELLEN BREMNER
8
Tyler JOHN WELLAR CAMPBELL
9
Darren PAUL COOPER
10
James WILLIAM DUNNETT
11
Paul ALEXANDER ENGLAND
12
Kevan LEE FRASER
13
Colin James GRANT
14
Henry John GRANT
15
Alexander Bryan GREEN
16
George Mcphee HARPER
17
Simon HINDMARCH
18
Mark HOUSTON
19
Alexander JOHNSTON
20
Alexander JOHNSTON
21
Jacqueline ELIZABETH LEIPER
22
Gary Stewart MACALPINE
23
David William MACGREGOR
24
George Oag MILLER
25
Stephen SCOTT ROBERTSON
26
James ROSS
27
Kevin Alexander STEWART
28
Amanda Jane STUBBINGS
29
Kelly SWANSON
30
Kai Marius Evan THORSTED
31
Peter HENRY TODD
32
Stephen IAN WALLS
33
Scott WARES
34
Douglas Peter WILKIE
rogermellie
07-Jan-13, 22:10
I've noticed many new surnames appearing in the lists of defendants. Many of these surnames are not indigenous to the County
me no understand ... could you give some examples of these surnames and some evidence that they aren't from this county/country
Put it this way, when the Groat refers to Mr Smiff from Dahn Sahff, Ms Smirnova form East Baltica and Mr Dodobird from ALandWayDoonSooth, I think we may safely assume they aren't indigenous folk.
ahh right, that'll be a 'no' then :roll:
secrets in symmetry
08-Jan-13, 00:23
No, it's abso-soothmoothing-lutely a "yes".
What's your tmesis?
secrets in symmetry
08-Jan-13, 00:26
Here's a snapshot for those listed to appear during this coming week then.....analyse that....
1
Mervyn AHMED
2
William BRUCE ALLAN
3
Graham BAIN
4
Andrew STEVEN BERESFORD
5
James PETER TYERMAN BERESFORD
6
Latieshia ELLEN BREMNER
7
Latieshia ELLEN BREMNER
8
Tyler JOHN WELLAR CAMPBELL
9
Darren PAUL COOPER
10
James WILLIAM DUNNETT
11
Paul ALEXANDER ENGLAND
12
Kevan LEE FRASER
13
Colin James GRANT
14
Henry John GRANT
15
Alexander Bryan GREEN
16
George Mcphee HARPER
17
Simon HINDMARCH
18
Mark HOUSTON
19
Alexander JOHNSTON
20
Alexander JOHNSTON
21
Jacqueline ELIZABETH LEIPER
22
Gary Stewart MACALPINE
23
David William MACGREGOR
24
George Oag MILLER
25
Stephen SCOTT ROBERTSON
26
James ROSS
27
Kevin Alexander STEWART
28
Amanda Jane STUBBINGS
29
Kelly SWANSON
30
Kai Marius Evan THORSTED
31
Peter HENRY TODD
32
Stephen IAN WALLS
33
Scott WARES
34
Douglas Peter WILKIE
There are a few familiar faces amongst that list. At least they're not all dead!
Restlessnative
08-Jan-13, 18:08
This is brilliant I've been looking for something watch since the darts finished. Keep up the good work.
secrets in symmetry
13-Jan-13, 15:59
This is brilliant I've been looking for something watch since the darts finished. Keep up the good work.You could go to the public gallery in the court every day it's putting on a show. You'll hear about more deadly weapons than darts players' arrows!
telfordstar
13-Jan-13, 18:30
Same Idiots, Different week.
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