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golach
20-May-11, 19:18
Here are 10 broken promises by A Salmond & Co promised last time in government, can we trust them now?


1. “reduce class sizes in Primary 1, 2 and 3 to eighteen pupils or less” – SNP
Manifesto, page 52
Promise broken. This pledge has been dumped and by December 2010, over 78% of
children were in the same size class or larger.

2. “match the current [Labour’s] school building programme brick for brick” –
SNP Manifesto, page 53
Promise broken. The SNP have tried to claim credit for opening schools that were
commissioned, paid for and started by the last Labour government. They number of
schools they have commissioned falls significantly below the 250 set out in Labour’s
school building programme – and none are yet open.

3. “The SNP believes there should be an end to the automatic release of
offenders. We support the recent legislation in this area and in government
will drive forward this important area” – SNP Manifesto, page 63

Promise broken. Kenny MacAskill stated in PQ answer on 14

th January: “the draft

budget does not contain specific funds to finance the implementation of section 18 of
the Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010”.

4. “scrap the Council Tax” – SNP Manifesto, page 6
Promise broken.

5. “introduce a Local Income Tax set at 3p. This will apply at both the basic and
higher income tax rate and will not be levied on savings income. Second
homes will continue to be liable to local tax and will make the same level of
contribution as present, with payments made through business rates.” – SNP
Manifesto, page 20
Promise broken and withdrawn after extensive criticism.

6. “replace the expensive and discredited Student Loans system with meanstested
student grants” – SNP Manifesto, page 54
Promise broken.

7. “Maintain teacher numbers in the face of falling school rolls to cut class
sizes” – SNP Manifesto, p52
The number of teachers has fallen by nearly 3,000 since 2007 – and the number of
classroom assistants fell too

8. “increase the provision of free nursery education for 3 and 4 year olds by 50
per cent. That means increasing the entitlement from 400 hours a year to
600 hours a year” – SNP Manifesto, SNP Manifesto, page 51
Local authorities had not met the 600 hours target by 2010.

9. “aim to decouple ownership and usage of cars. We will persuade and not
punish car users to use other modes. We will take three specific measures
each of which will bring about a modal shift” – SNP Manifesto, page 26
The Scottish Government website tells us that “The percentage of adults travelling by
car has been consistently around 67%. Following a decrease in 2008 to 66%, the
latest figures show a slight increase - with 67% of adults travelling to work by car or
van in 2009. This has resulted in a borderline arrow change to ‘position worsening’.”

10. “Remove the burden of debt repayments owed to the Student Loans
company by Scottish domiciled and resident graduates” – SNP Manifesto,
page 54
Promise broken. Graduates still paying student loans.

Mystical Potato Head
20-May-11, 19:27
Name me a government that havent broken promises,be they Labour,Cons or the current LibCons.They all tell you what you want to hear
just to get your vote,then come the broken promises by ALL of them.

ducati
20-May-11, 19:37
Aye but the SNP and their supporters keep telling us they are different.

Perhaps they should shut up.:mad:

bekisman
20-May-11, 20:12
Come on Golach, it's 100 broken promises, here, courtesy of the BBC;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_04_11_labourdoc.pdf

golach
20-May-11, 20:35
Come on Golach, it's 100 broken promises, here, courtesy of the BBC;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_04_11_labourdoc.pdf

Drat I was keeping the other 90 a secret [lol]

Corrie 3
20-May-11, 21:18
Well you should know by now that no Politician should be trusted, I mean, just look what that lot down in Westminster have been up to now. As if fiddling their expenses wasnt enough!!!!
(And dont blame outsiders, we know who the real thieves are dont we?) !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13467210

C3....:eek::roll:;)

ywindythesecond
20-May-11, 23:32
Come on Golach, it's 100 broken promises, here, courtesy of the BBC;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_04_11_labourdoc.pdf

Much worse than I thought. An even bigger con than the Renewables Obligation.

Rheghead
21-May-11, 00:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z23fZSa-QY4&feature=autoshare

Shabbychic
21-May-11, 11:31
Wow, golach. Why didn't you cut and paste all this before the election? My goodness, haven't we, the Scottish voters, been remarkably silly? Have we not been ruled by Scottish Labour long enough to know they only tell the truth? :roll:

Actually at one point Iain Gray did tell the truth. During an interview with Bernard Ponsonby for an STV webcast, he was asked to give his views on minority administration compared to coalition. Mr Gray said: “Although minority government, I would argue, has been difficult for the SNP, it’s the reason I think they haven’t been able to actually deliver on some of their promises.” :eek:

Could Iain here be admitting that the other parties, including Labour, blocked many of the things the SNP were attempting to pass?

Then again some people even read things like this (http://www2.snp.org/ppb), and believe it.

bekisman
21-May-11, 11:35
Wow, shabbychic. Why didn't you cut and paste all this before the election? My goodness, haven't we, the Scottish voters, been remarkably silly?

Shabbychic
21-May-11, 11:48
Wow, shabbychic. Why didn't you cut and paste all this before the election? My goodness, haven't we, the Scottish voters, been remarkably silly?

I didn't have to. The Scottish voters saw through the SLAB propaganda, and voted accordingly.

bekisman
21-May-11, 12:08
Oh gosh - what happened in 2003?

John Little
21-May-11, 12:54
That's a very interesting thing the SNP have. It makes me very envious.

Why can we not have all those things doon here??

Shabbychic
21-May-11, 12:59
Oh gosh - what happened in 2003?

Quite a lot I think. How about this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkfUs-UBeHc)? Then there is this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdD52DAaFRs), and guy called Mike did this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENqv0sl_lNU), to name but a few. :D

bekisman
21-May-11, 13:04
That's a very interesting thing the SNP have. It makes me very envious.

Why can we not have all those things doon here??
Eh? you've got this one already?
"We’ve helped some of the world’s poorest people by doubling the international development budget and protecting that aid from UK cuts."

But these others are not really for you..

One million more Scots are registered with NHS dentists under the SNP Government. [took four years for me and Mrs Beks to get one - wow!]

We’ve abolished charges at all NHS-run hospital car parks. [great idea - Raigmore's an ideal place to leave te car when flying out of Inverness Airport]

We’ve delivered more than 40,000 new heating systems and helped Scots on low incomes to reduce energy costs and keep their homes warm. [ does that include Wick?]

We’ve funded improvements to major roads across the country including the M8, the M80, the A9, A90 and A96. We’re also completing the M74 - bringing new jobs and helping local regeneration. [still waiting for the promised A9 dueling]

We’ve helped tourism and the local economy in the Western Isles through a pilot scheme to reduce ferry fares. [still a rip-off to get to Orkney]

bekisman
21-May-11, 13:06
Quite a lot I think. How about this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkfUs-UBeHc)? Then there is this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdD52DAaFRs), and guy called Mike did this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENqv0sl_lNU), to name but a few. :D

Fantastic - you've certainly researched very, very deeply for these!

Shabbychic
21-May-11, 13:08
Fantastic - you've certainly researched very, very deeply for these!

No problem......anything to oblige.

John Little
21-May-11, 13:17
Eh? you've got this one already?
"We’ve helped some of the world’s poorest people by doubling the international development budget and protecting that aid from UK cuts."

But these others are not really for you..

One million more Scots are registered with NHS dentists under the SNP Government. [took four years for me and Mrs Beks to get one - wow!]

We’ve abolished charges at all NHS-run hospital car parks. [great idea - Raigmore's an ideal place to leave te car when flying out of Inverness Airport]

We’ve delivered more than 40,000 new heating systems and helped Scots on low incomes to reduce energy costs and keep their homes warm. [ does that include Wick?]

We’ve funded improvements to major roads across the country including the M8, the M80, the A9, A90 and A96. We’re also completing the M74 - bringing new jobs and helping local regeneration. [still waiting for the promised A9 dueling]

We’ve helped tourism and the local economy in the Western Isles through a pilot scheme to reduce ferry fares. [still a rip-off to get to Orkney]


How come your lot can afford it and our lot can't or won't.

I want your lot in charge of the whole shebang!!

RecQuery
21-May-11, 13:48
LOL and so it begins again... honestly the amount of butthurt I see on this forum

If you just want a place to post your own little pet theories or preach instead of an actual debate then just register a domain or use some free web host.

EDIT: A debate is not hurling insults back and forth, or using red herrings and strawmen arguments or any other number of fallacies or dodgy debate tactics... seriously sometimes I think they should teach critical thinking, logic, reason and debate at primary school and high school, devote a week to it every year or something.

bekisman
21-May-11, 15:13
LOL and so it begins again... honestly the amount of butthurt I see on this forum

If you just want a place to post your own little pet theories or preach instead of an actual debate then just register a domain or use some free web host.

EDIT: A debate is not hurling insults back and forth, or using red herrings and strawmen arguments or any other number of fallacies or dodgy debate tactics... seriously sometimes I think they should teach critical thinking, logic, reason and debate at primary school and high school, devote a week to it every year or something.

Are you using the usual "Ad Hominem" strategy?, goodness me man, lighten up.

secrets in symmetry
21-May-11, 15:53
Shabbychic is right, the SNP couldn't push through a lot of their previous manifesto pledges because the opposition parties voted them down. They won't be similarly constrained this time.

Also, the financial crisis & recession followed by cuts in public spending made it nigh on impossible for them to implement a lot of their pledges.

Corrie 3
21-May-11, 16:27
Did I read somewhere that the SNP are only about 40 policemen short of getting the 1000 that they promised and when the next batch of recruits pass out the number will be met?
In my book that is pretty good!!

C3.....;):)

ducati
21-May-11, 20:12
Look, it's obvious to me who we should be voting for. To illustrate, here is an extract from recent PMQs;

Conservative member from somewhere in Surrey " Would my Right Honourable friend join me in congratulating all the members of my constituancy who have worked hard to secure funding to build 14 new schools, a well women clinic, two childrens play parks and an adult enternainment complex?

Labour member from somewhere up north. "Is the Prime Minister aware that all my constituants are butt ugly and can't afford to shop at the Co-Op?

Seems to me we should all reap the rewards. :lol: