View Full Version : £8 a gallon, what are we/what can we do about this?
Its reported that we could be paying £8 a gallon for our fuel before too long......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-12259273
What can we do about this, surely we arent going to sit back and take it are we? I know we dont have much clout up here like inner cities do but I am sure we can do something about this!!!!
I have noticed that our local MP Mr.Thurso has been very quiet since his party sold their souls to the Conservatives, perhaps our first line of protest would be to bombard him with e-mails.
Anyone have any idea's on combatting this travesty, especially as the ConDems are going to push up the price by yet another 4p a litre in April !!
C3.....[evil][evil]
I heard something on our local news the other day that the 2000 strikes would be happening again, but on a larger scale???
A lot of haulage companies going to the wall as a result of the ever increasing fuel prices! Also the fact that businesses that deliver are having to pass the increase onto the customers who themselves are already struggling!
There will be many more firms going bust, and down here in Newport we have to pay for the severn bridge too, bless!! :confused
All we can do is to sit back and watch the price of fuel go up to £12.00 a Gallon.
We in the UK are too conservative in nature to go down the route of the French, Greek or Spanish. I doubt if the Road Haulage Association or the Freight Transport Association have the bottle for another 'strike'.
Oh there will be a lot of wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth while inflation spirals out of control but dissent will be minimal and the grubbiement will just carry on causing mayhem,:(.
Well, I am in favour of e-mailing John Thurso for a start, anyone care to join me?
http://www.johnthurso.org/en/
I am sure he has some influence over David Cameron and his Cronies.....
C3....[evil]
Use less fuel, be more prudent with journeys, don't go to town until you need a full shop, that sort of thing. I have to travel for work so I'm trying to be more efficient, but many can and I'm sure will cut down.
After all, that is one of the reasons for the Labour (with pressure from the Greens) accelerator on the duty.
If enough of us use less fuel you can bet the price will come down.
tonkatojo
22-Jan-11, 23:49
I think that 4p could be considerably more come April if the price keeps rising as it is.
To coin a phrase we have been con/demed, and its for a minimum of 5 years.
My dog!! I remember when I used to fill up my first car for a fiver. There is one way that something could be done but every working person in the country would have to support it. If everyone drove out onto the roads and then switched off their engines and refused to move the entire country would grind to a halt in 30 minutes! But.... it would take 100% action or the few would be victimised and prosecuted. All out means just that - doctors, dentists, teacher, blue collar, brown collar, police, everybody. That would never happen so we will just have to absorb the cost. :confused
One way of showing the strength of feeling drivers have regarding this issue would be if everyone were to boycott just one retailer. Imagine Shell for instance was boycotted for a month and everyone bought their fuel from other outlets. Shell retail would be crippled. OK it's a small gesture but it would highlight driver's feelings and put the grubbiement on the back foot because they wouldn't know what people might collectively boycott next.
Chrisf1961
23-Jan-11, 15:30
Storm the basteille i say! well the Houses of Parliament and get Clegg n Cameron on all fours and insert a petrol pump where the sun dont shine!
Bring on the revolution!
I love the way that Labour supporters criticise the government, acting as if they wouldn't be doing similar if they were in power.
And the same, but with roles reversed, previous to the election.
Didn't the new government "inherit" a fuel duty rise set by Labour when they were still in power?
The government COULD cut fuel duty, but then it needs to make the money somehow else. Either that or more cuts.
Fuel duty is one of the "fairer" taxes in my opinion, in that you pay based on how much you use.
Want to save on fuel duty? Use less fuel.
orkneycadian
23-Jan-11, 18:30
Use red diesel. Simples!
I do think that many of all Countries woes is the 'State Tax' on fuel to support 'Social programs'. In addition we.....both here and there are supporting all those poor countries..And I am all for supporting them, but unfortunately a sad example is Haiti. Millions in cash, food and medical supplies were put in there and really nothing to see for it.
Interesting Documentary on recently by CNN. Much of the food and supplies are still in Warehouses and an only be released if 'Taxes' are paid. And of course Baby Doc is back!
Kinda sad really.
make bio-diesel. i heard of a few people doing this
orkneycadian
23-Jan-11, 19:30
Duty rate on biodiesel still not as cheap as red! ;)
you only pay duty if you make over a certain amount in a year
starflower
23-Jan-11, 20:07
Walk or get on eh skippen chet
Duncansby
24-Jan-11, 12:28
The price of fuel at the pumps hasn't actually changed that much since the early 1980s if you consider it in real terms and take inflation into account. After some quick googling I found this table (http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/petrolprices.html) which shows that taking inflation into account the price of fuel has risen from £1 in 1983 to £1.14 in 2010. Although 2010 has seen a larger increase than previously, it would be interesting to compare it to the cost of fuel in real terms during the oil crisis in the '70s.
But of course as the cost of extracting fuel is increasing, as companies have to go after smaller and more tricky to access deposits, the price of fuel is going to keep on rising and there is very little we can do about this, other than using less or finding alternatives.
Whatever fuel is used to power any form of transport the UK grubbiement will tax it. There have been a plethora of alternatives but the oil industry has managed to thwart investment in development. Even if a car was run on fresh air you can bet the grubbiement would tax the provision of equipment and people power to deliver it.
Duncansby
24-Jan-11, 14:35
Interesting idea - but where do the supermarkets buy their fuel from? Do they buy it on the open market? Or are they supplied by BP / ESSO or Shell etc?
Kevin Milkins
24-Jan-11, 14:39
Interesting idea - but where do the supermarkets buy their fuel from? Do they buy it on the open market? Or are they supplied by BP / ESSO or Shell etc?
Dunno.:confused, Sorry.
This will be really easy for us to do in Caithness :cool:
Am not sure that is perhaps the answer....
Just another thought on things......
I paid $1.08 cents this am per litre....that is .68p according to the exchange rate today. And I am sure that North America and Europe are not paying such a different price for the wholesale cost, so can it be the Taxes...i.e. The UK Gov't tax being more??
Just another thought on a ...........subject!
Am not sure that is perhaps the answer....
Just another thought on things......
I paid $1.08 cents this am per litre....that is .68p according to the exchange rate today. And I am sure that North America and Europe are not paying such a different price for the wholesale cost, so can it be the Taxes...i.e. The UK Gov't tax being more??
Just another thought on a ...........subject!
According to this site it is composed as illustrated:-
http://www.petrolprices.com/price-of-petrol.html
Big chunk to the Gov't...............
Duncansby
24-Jan-11, 19:38
If you scroll down to page 6 (http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/indicators/fuel-prices-and-taxes-1/fuel-prices-and-taxes-eu) there is a useful graph showing the amount of duty paid across EU states in 2002. I have seen a more up-to-date version (which also includes USA and Canada) but I can't seem to find it at the moment. But I do remember that the USA had, if not the lowest duty applied it was certainly close to the least.
redeyedtreefrog
24-Jan-11, 20:28
Get an electric car.
4p ish for about 200 miles.
Get an electric car.
4p ish for about 200 miles.
OK if you buy new cars with a starting price of around £24,000 after the Gov. bribe, and you don't need to go anywhere. Range is only about 100 miles
and not 4pish for 200 miles :eek::lol:
Oh, and good luck getting serviced in Wick
If you scroll down to page 6 (http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/indicators/fuel-prices-and-taxes-1/fuel-prices-and-taxes-eu) there is a useful graph showing the amount of duty paid across EU states in 2002. I have seen a more up-to-date version (which also includes USA and Canada) but I can't seem to find it at the moment. But I do remember that the USA had, if not the lowest duty applied it was certainly close to the least.
In Canada the value of Tax added is approx 30%.. It varies across the Provinces and you are correct about the United States....Less.
The UK is quite expensive....Maybe its time to chase 'e Gov't mannie'!
Husband was at a dinner party with some of Mr O's backroom boys last weekend- £20 per gallon isn't beyond imagination. face it- its an easy tax. it will take much more than high prices to get petrolheads out of their cars.
Why not up the tax on:
posh shirts? brandy and cigars? membership of the Bullingdon Club? Freebie cruises? posh baby buggies? I'm sure we can all suggest some way that we can spread the load?
orkneycadian
26-Jan-11, 21:14
According to this site it is composed as illustrated:-
http://www.petrolprices.com/price-of-petrol.html
[lol] The first Google advert at the bottom of the page on that link is for a National Red Diesel Supplier! Class! [lol]
muddywilli
26-Jan-11, 21:50
Even better, drive a landrover and use cooking oil. Much cheaper. Highly illegal if not disclosed but cheaper. Oh minor draw back, smells like a chip shop arriving at your house.
QUADBIKER
26-Jan-11, 22:00
whats the sense hitting at the oil company's after all they are the one's who have too dig it out of the ground and they have to make a profit the ones that should be took to task is the government it is them that are making all the profit what it needs in this country is for everyone to protest over the way the government are robbing the motorists what we must bare in mind is when the cost of fuel goes up the cost of everything else goes up 2.5% increase in vat = 2.5% on goods also 2.5% on cost of transporation what is needed is direct action like a few years ago it may takea little pain to get a little gain
muddywilli
26-Jan-11, 22:01
Where they buy from at source i am unsure but i do know for fact all tankers fill up at the same refinery and the same filling pumps. I have seen this for my own eyes at Foley Refinery Southampton many moons ago and i was amazed. Like all things no doubt, the more you buy the better rate you get. Companies like tesco would not be hurt by lack of sales at their pumps and their profit is made in the store. I would love to join a boycott as i put over £250 most weeks in my van but is that the answer. Some of us need the fuel to do are job, let alone get to work. It seems a no win situation. I try hard to fill up at Dunnets in Wick but i get alot of unwanted pressure from Inverness office when i do. I like to use the town garage and would be sad to see them go but as prices rise and times get even harder every penny counts and tesco are the cheapest but a fair bit.
orkneycadian
26-Jan-11, 22:02
Not quite. Most shops are VAT registered, so the extra VAT on the fuel gets claimed back throughout the chain, so that in effect, no-one pays it. The only extra VAT is on the net value of the end product.
orkneycadian
26-Jan-11, 22:03
Even better, drive a landrover and use cooking oil. Much cheaper.
Not if, as your locations suggests, you spend most of your time underneath it in the garage!
muddywilli
26-Jan-11, 22:13
Not if, as your locations suggests, you spend most of your time underneath it in the garage!
I like you already. Humour makes the world go round.
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