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tiger woods
19-Jul-10, 16:01
I heard a rumour today that Tesco was pulling out of the mart site in Thurso. Anyone else heard the same?
Shabbychic
19-Jul-10, 16:15
That would be great news as that is a terrible place to put it. Has anyone tried driving along that road when the schools are coming out? It's a no go area.
I heard a rumour today that Tesco was pulling out of the mart site in Thurso. Anyone else heard the same?
I was told this by my Local Postie about 3 to 4 weeks ago. Do not if it is true or not, I suppose we will have to wait and see.
To me if they have given up then it is a sad day as it would be great to have a Tesco so close to home and no drive to Wick to get Petrol.
I would rather not have the big Tescos, look what its doing to Wick. Thurso is such a pretty town it would be so horrible to see the heart taken away from it and all the shops start to shut.
I heard a rumour today that Tesco was pulling out of the mart site in Thurso. Anyone else heard the same?
No offence, but on the off chance that somebody on here had definite knowledge either way, I doubt they'd actually post it on here.
I would rather not have the big Tescos, look what its doing to Wick. Thurso is such a pretty town it would be so horrible to see the heart taken away from it and all the shops start to shut.
Normally I like to try and argue in a semi-intelligent fashion, but really, just shut up. Please.
I dont think they will actually build on the mart.
Personally, I think they will just keep the land in their land bank to stop Asda from buying the land in such a prime location, IMHO.
buggyracer
19-Jul-10, 20:45
Normally I like to try and argue in a semi-intelligent fashion, but really, just shut up. Please.
charming! :eek:
im sure the poster is entiltled to an opinion ;)
a few years ago i would have welcomed a large Tesco, but seeing how Wick has (IMO) suffered due to it, im not so sure its all bad news if they decide not too...?
charming! :eek:
I hope not, that wasn't the intention.
im sure the poster is entiltled to an opinion ;)
Perhaps.
a few years ago i would have welcomed a large Tesco, but seeing how Wick has (IMO) suffered due to it, im not so sure its all bad news if they decide not too...?
And suffered? You mean the shops that have closed because they'd been ripping us off for so long and could no longer get away with it? Or perhaps the numerous jobs Tesco has created? Or the contracts provided to the haulage companies to carry their containers full of products up here? Or that we can now fill up our cars with petrol without having to re-mortgage our houses first? That the suffering you're talking about?
buggyracer
19-Jul-10, 21:04
I hope not, that wasn't the intention.
Perhaps.
And suffered? You mean the shops that have closed because they'd been ripping us off for so long and could no longer get away with it? Or perhaps the numerous jobs Tesco has created? Or the contracts provided to the haulage companies to carry their containers full of products up here? Or that we can now fill up our cars with petrol without having to re-mortgage our houses first? That the suffering you're talking about?
i thought not, quite the angry one arent you....
if you live in Edinburgh as your sig states why does it bother you? :roll:
last week a paper shop closed in wick's town centre, as the prices are displayed on them when they leave the printers i hardly think there is scope for "ripping" anyone off? People by conveaniance are simply choosing to shop in one shop where they can buy all there goods under one roof, wick has a super large tesco's on the outskirts of town and dam little else but boarded up shops, hardly a model town centre is it?:eek:
I would rather not have the big Tescos, look what its doing to Wick. Thurso is such a pretty town it would be so horrible to see the heart taken away from it and all the shops start to shut.
What exactly is it doing to wick ? shops close all the time, long before there was any big supermarkets, just the way of retail, shops make it orr they don't, if anything it's helping wick by folk from round about comming to wick to get their shopping and more than a few going for a wander around wick.
Main point is, having a tesco or whatever at the mart site would be a hell of alot better than having to look at the ruin thats currently there !
i thought not, quite the angry one arent you....
It comes from being disenfranchised with the system - back in the days when I was chancellor and every one liked me because we had a really good economy, but then I became prime minister and everybody started hating me... Oh wait, I'm confusing myself with Gordon Brown...
if you live in Edinburgh as your sig states why does it bother you? :roll:
Ah yes, I'd forgotten that once you'd moved away from Wick it became illegal to care about what happened to the town.
last week a paper shop closed in wick's town centre, as the prices are displayed on them when they leave the printers i hardly think there is scope for "ripping" anyone off? People by conveaniance are simply choosing to shop in one shop where they can buy all there goods under one roof, wick has a super large tesco's on the outskirts of town and dam little else but boarded up shops, hardly a model town centre is it?:eek:
That was very convenient wasn't it? You didn't even need to address the other things I raised. And don't kid yourself, people aren't shopping in Tesco out of convenience, they're shopping there because it's better quality and better prices, with a better selection. If it is taking trade away from the shops in the town centre, then it those shops that need to do something about it, not Tesco.
I agree with what you're saying and would suggest that if the shops in question upped their game and gave the public what they want then they would survive. Plenty have weathered the change by offering quality goods and specialising in merchandise that people want. Most of the businesses that have fallen were doomed because of their sheer apathy when faced with the challenge of competition. Lets remember that many small corner shops were forced out of business when the Co-op and Presto opened the first big supermarkets in Wick but folk just called it progress then and accepted it as such.
Niche marketing.
Not just tourist tat!
A good unusual ingredient/drinks shop...or kids clothing..or a shop that sells and stocks shoes for kids with narrow or wide feet.
buggyracer
19-Jul-10, 22:41
It comes from being disenfranchised with the system - back in the days when I was chancellor and every one liked me because we had a really good economy, but then I became prime minister and everybody started hating me... Oh wait, I'm confusing myself with Gordon Brown...
Ah yes, I'd forgotten that once you'd moved away from Wick it became illegal to care about what happened to the town.
That was very convenient wasn't it? You didn't even need to address the other things I raised. And don't kid yourself, people aren't shopping in Tesco out of convenience, they're shopping there because it's better quality and better prices, with a better selection. If it is taking trade away from the shops in the town centre, then it those shops that need to do something about it, not Tesco.
He was a bit up himself as well and look where he ended....;)
Its illegal to have an opinion differing yours so why not :eek:
Not really it was the most recent closure in Wick so also IMO the most relevant, the owners blamed the lack of customers using the town centre in recent times, the fact they can buy exactly the same goods there (newspapers) for the same price as in tesco's kind of ruins your arguement for a better "selection" and a better "price" which then only leaves one thing "convenience" ;)
He was a bit up himself as well and look where he ended....;)
As the leader of this country for a couple of years you mean?
Not really it was the most recent closure in Wick so also IMO the most relevant, the owners blamed the lack of customers using the town centre in recent times, the fact they can buy exactly the same goods there (newspapers) for the same price as in tesco's kind of ruins your arguement for a better "selection" and a better "price" which then only leaves one thing "convenience" ;)
And I disagree. I use newsagents here, and in Wick, and many other places, and they are almost invariable more expensive, and it is inarguable that they have a worse selection, if only purely down the the sheer size difference between the a Tesco and a newsagents.
Sitting comfortably everyone? Once upon a time there was a small town in the far north of Scotland where there were lots of small shops. The shopkeepers tried to cater to the needs of the small community of people who lived there.
There wasn't a huge choice, but most of the small shopkeepers made a living and managed to pay for some other people to work for them.
Some people got a bit fed up and wanted to go to the bigger shops- just for a day out. They'd take themsleves off to bigger towns and enjoy their days out.
Then someone had the idea of building a big retail park. but they didn't do all their homework. Lots of people on the org got very excited about all these nice shiny new shops- but they didn't think that some of the little shops might close down- or that the families of the people who owned them might not want to take them on if they didn't make enough money.
Then one day they woke up and realised someone had stolen their town centre. all that was left as a street of takeaways, bookies and charity shops. Everything else had been boarded up.
And the town was labelled a poor town-with a deprived centre.
Alan like me lives away from Caithness- and possibly hasn't been home for a while.
my other half assures me that tesco have not pulled out of the Thurso site- but they have mothballed development until final decisions are made over the future of Dounreay- after the next scottish election. if the SNP don't get in and they allow plans for a new reactor- Thurso will get a Tesco on the same scale as Inverness. happy now?
my other half assures me that tesco have not pulled out of the Thurso site- but they have mothballed development until final decisions are made over the future of Dounreay- after the next scottish election. if the SNP don't get in and they allow plans for a new reactor- Thurso will get a Tesco on the same scale as Inverness. happy now?
Absolute Nonsense.
Regardless of whoever wins the next Scottish elections, Dounreay is not getting another reactor. It hasn't been earmarked for one, the potential sites have been listed and made public.
buggyracer
20-Jul-10, 08:17
As the leader of this country for a couple of years you mean?
And I disagree. I use newsagents here, and in Wick, and many other places, and they are almost invariable more expensive, and it is inarguable that they have a worse selection, if only purely down the the sheer size difference between the a Tesco and a newsagents.
a non elected one who lost his party the election and has now ended up on the scrap heap :roll:
the supermarkets localy have a poorer selection of papers/magazines than the local newsagents, the newsagents have many, many more magazines than the supermarkets stock yet still cannot compete............?
a non elected one who lost his party the election and has now ended up on the scrap heap :roll:
I'm sure the people of Kircaldy and Cowdenbeath like that you refer to there MP as now "on the scrap heap"...
he supermarkets localy have a poorer selection of papers/magazines than the local newsagents, the newsagents have many, many more magazines than the supermarkets stock yet still cannot compete............?
Tesco has a large range of magazines and all the major newspapers, as well as some others. Are you suggesting people should go to a newsagents for there newspaper and then go to Tesco for virtually everything else they will buy? That doesn't really seem convenient, ironically...
buggyracer
20-Jul-10, 08:46
I'm sure the people of Kircaldy and Cowdenbeath like that you refer to there MP as now "on the scrap heap"...
Tesco has a large range of magazines and all the major newspapers, as well as some others. Are you suggesting people should go to a newsagents for there newspaper and then go to Tesco for virtually everything else they will buy? That doesn't really seem convenient, ironically...
He simply wasnt upto the job of PM anything else is a step down and he left the position with loosing not only the support of his public but also his party :(
Doh :eek:, the whole point of my arguement was, that is exactly why people shop in tesco's convenience......not only price driven, this is getting boring, since you have come around (finally) to my way of thinking, i bid you farewell, some of us have work to do, havent you a class your missing? ;)
No offence, but on the off chance that somebody on here had definite knowledge either way, I doubt they'd actually post it on here.
Normally I like to try and argue in a semi-intelligent fashion, but really, just shut up. Please.
When anyone says no offence, you can bet your bottom dollar that offence is always intentional!
Secondly, unless you have a special computer, I doubt that you heard anything that you wouldn't want to. So then I would have to assume you were actually actively reading something that you didn't want to. As you are the active participant in this situation, the "shut up" comment, aside from being intentionally rude and domineering is also very un-intelligent: you stop reading if what you read is distasteful to you and if you have nothing better to say.
And thirdly, I would be very careful about, even disparagingly, bragging about your semi-intelligence in a post that has no indication of it's existance.
No I won't "shut up" either!:lol:
Back to thread topic: Tesco Towns offer you a choice initially, when you do have the choice of going somewhere else. But when they manage suffocate local economies, you will have to choose what they have choosen for you.
Ahhh, the magic of retail. Fair play and expansion of choice......no, we come and pound all opposition into the ground.
Despite what Tesco might have said to get planning permission the truth is they want to shutdown all other retail, this is not just Tesco but Walmart, Sainsbury's etc. as well.
You have to realise that the likes of tesco have a buying power way beyond what any sole retailer could ever imagine, they have a returns agreement on many items unlike a sole retailer.
Manufacturers will pay Tesco for shelf space for their products.
A tad of a challenge for an independent retailer!
Tesco Wick is under-performing, it is not hitting the sales expected. To build in Thurso will only detract from these sales. I thought we'd confirmed in another thread the Thurso site is landbanked to stave off Walmart. (However you will be seeing Walmart up here, quite a few of 'em too, see they like's 'em ROC's so you'll be seeing some Asda Green windymills soon.)
Tesco (supermarkets et al) demand market share, all of it. They build out of town, step one in the process. They use all manner of psychology and shopper research in the layout of their stores, step two. They use very clever marketing and point of sale advertising for their pricing to brainwash you into believing they are cheaper than your local newsagent or whatever.
Hey presto a year or two down the line the town centre is a derelict ghost town. This has already been pointed out and has happened in thousands of towns up and down the UK.
I'm a dirty incomer towny type and I have seen this happen first hand in 4 towns near to where I lived and aware of countless others. I've even seen it go full circle twice where the out of town retail park gets abandoned because a bigger out of town retail park gazumps it.
This is nothing new, the councillors and town planners should have been fully aware of this and expecting it. In a year or so they'll be crying out for funding to redevelop the town centre that they helped destroy.
Instead of learning from other town mistakes they have blindly followed whatever bungs tesco have thrown, believed this magic of creating wealth, it doesn't it only displaces it.
We haven't all suddenly got more money to spend 'cos tesco arrive, we all just spend it in one place. Very simple but the councillors always fail to spot that one.
And where do the profits go? Caithne..... Cheshunt.
Walter Ego
20-Jul-10, 10:03
It would seem that those who are most in favour of another Tescos are those who have not seen first hand the knock-on effects. It would also seem that those who oppose it are those who have lived in areas where Tescos has decimated a town centre.
And to those who talk of independent retailers smartening up their act to compete with Tescos....you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
Phill sums it up nicely.
annemarie482
20-Jul-10, 10:22
devil advocate here....but i always thought the local shops were stuck in their ways,
not really advertising what the sell very well
(window displays, special offers to drawn you in, bits in paper etc)
and the whole half day wednesday thing.....your losing custom so to get more lets close early on a wed?! surely they'd stay open to compete for sales!
maybe they'd benfit from going on advertising courses! you cant put the same stuff out, same place, same price and not expect the customer to get bored.
you have to excite them to entise them !!
i'm not saying tescos and the retail park hasn't ruined wick......
but i think the local shops could'be tried harder instead of shrugging and saying "but they're bigger!"
there are still many areas of retail not covered in wick, why dont some of them try diversifying into those areas to increase sales?!
it's about staying afloat surely?
(i speak as someone looking to open a shop in the near future.)
just a wee bit of food for thought.............
Back to thread topic: Tesco Towns offer you a choice initially, when you do have the choice of going somewhere else. But when they manage suffocate local economies, you will have to choose what they have choosen for you.
Every town is a Tesco Town :confused
Its just that Wick and Thurso may have had them later than others.
Other towns in Scotland and the UK in general have not collapsed under the influence. That leaves the theory that Caithness towns were less robust in the first place.
Every town is a Tesco Town :confused
Its just that Wick and Thurso may have had them later than others.
Other towns in Scotland and the UK in general have not collapsed under the influence. That leaves the theory that Caithness towns were less robust in the first place.
Have they not? Take a look at Inverness with the Eastgate half empty and nothing but pound shops on the main street. The small retailers in Wick didn't have a chance. I'm amazed the coop is still going.
onecalledk
20-Jul-10, 10:35
correct me if I am wrong but there is not some huge net as you enter Wick that grabs you and forces you in through the doors of tesco is there ? if there is I have missed it.
Whilst I am NOT a fan of tesco I think it unfair to say that Tesco themselves have ruined towns. Tesco can do nowt without a willing customer. They are VERY good at advertising and lulling the customer into a promise of cheaper shopping etc but at the end of the day the customer HAS A CHOICE.
If you feel that the high street is suffering then shop there. DONT shop in tesco. If you can see behind the huge marketing campaign that TESCO are flaunting then shop elsewhere. TESCO are up for world domination and the only people that can stop them are the very consumers themselves.
CHeck where your meat comes from and shop at a local butcher where you know that the animal hasnt been stuck in a warehouse for the entire lenght of its life. Check the veg and buy from local places.
COnsumers cannot have it both ways. Everyone wants to have cheap food, that comes at a HUGE price. If you read the labels in tesco the produce comes from around the world. Its lost most of it nutrients in the process.
Caithness is farming land, it seems a bit insane to me that people surrounded by animals would not buy those animals to eat locally !!!!!
Local shops - please smile and converse with your customers, if its an effort to serve then perhaps you are in the wrong business.....
remember people Tesco can only take over the world if WE let them ......
K
If it is taking trade away from the shops in the town centre, then it those shops that need to do something about it, not Tesco.
Any suggestions on what they can do? They generally can't compete on price. From working in retail for a while I can say that Tesco prices are often much less than the wholesale price available to shops. So it's not always the case that the shops are ripping people off. I've often thought a more tourist specific shop would do well however it may be too seasonal to be workable.
I agree with a lot of what you say onecalledk but I think Tesco are totally unscrupulous and use quite dodgy methods, as was shown in the Channel 4 documentary (remincing old, brown meat, etc ugh).
Simple things like buying up land to stop competitors developing on it, when they themselves have no intention of building on it (I think they own 70% of the land which can be developed).
They are a very cynical company and once we've lost all our shops, watch the prices go up. This is historically what they do, with petrol as well: eliminate the competition and you can charge what you like, although most mechanics will tell you not to buy your petrol from Tesco.
Lets remember that many small corner shops were forced out of business when the Co-op and Presto opened the first big supermarkets in Wick but folk just called it progress then and accepted it as such.
That was a different ball game altogether and toy town compared to what is going on today. I recall the Coop opening at Angle Park circa 1974, complete with special el cheapo Scotland World Cup footballs featuring pictures of Asa Hartford, Bruce Rioch et al. I can't recall a wave of closures in the wake of this, perhaps they were all smaller shops. That brings me to my point here. These Behemoths of their day were bigger than the previous stores in the town but they sold mainly food items, leaving plenty of shops in the town unaffected. Fast forward to Tescopoly time and you can buy TV's, Deep Freeze and David Bowie LP's and Trevor Francis tracksuits (albeit not from a mush in Shepherd Bush and you DO have to pay VAT) all under one roof, with a range of clothing and footware and just about anything anyone could need in the course of a day's shopping. People drive in, load up, fill up and piss off. The notion of bringing GREATER footfall to the town centre is proved to be as ludicrous as was thought by some before Tesco arrived.
Smaller shops simply cannot compete on price for like-for-like goods. It is all very well suggesting niche markets but, by their nature, these markets are low turnover in sales numbers. That leads to the necessity of a bigger profit margin on each item and subsequent "Yer takin' e' eyes oot us" moans
There was no internet in 1974, independent stores are being squashed by a double whammy these days and we are fast becoming a clone town, wandering like sheep and singing a mantra of "Every little helps" and "Ooh, Double points, yahoo!!"
tiger woods
20-Jul-10, 17:19
[/quote]And to those who talk of independent retailers smartening up their act to compete with Tescos....you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
Phill sums it up nicely.[/quote]
The way of the world my friend, the way of the world.:D
Count the number of cars in Tesco car park Wick on a saturday afternoon. I seriously doubt that number of people ever frequented the high street. :eek:
Do people in other places with Tesco, Asda, Morrisons and the rest. Shop exclusively in Supermarkets?
annemarie482
20-Jul-10, 18:47
And to those who talk of independent retailers smartening up their act to compete with Tescos....you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
Phill sums it up nicely.
i think these people, me included, are referring to the fact that although low prices initially draw people in, its the clever art of convincing to buy that tesco and other shops have down to an art.
putting things in the right places for add on sales,
postioning of goods in store to attract attention.
moving around the same stock, so change will be noticed and shopping doesnt go stale.
regular "team chats" about helping and approaching customers to entice to buy etc.
sales targets to work towards.
all these are acheivable in the smallest of shops.
having worked in homebase and tesco, you cant help but admire the "sales trap" i suppose you could call it, that they create. its a very clever technique that clearly works.
simply standing behind a counter just doesn't cut it these days. :roll:
tiger woods
20-Jul-10, 19:04
i think these people, me included, are referring to the fact that although low prices initially draw people in, its the clever art of convincing to buy that tesco and other shops have down to an art.
putting things in the right places for add on sales,
postioning of goods in store to attract attention.
moving around the same stock, so change will be noticed and shopping doesnt go stale.
regular "team chats" about helping and approaching customers to entice to buy etc.
sales targets to work towards.
all these are acheivable in the smallest of shops.
having worked in homebase and tesco, you cant help but admire the "sales trap" i suppose you could call it, that they create. its a very clever technique that clearly works.
simply standing behind a counter just doen't cut it these days. :roll:
Those who disagree shouldn't shop in Tesco, but I bet they do.
pentlander
20-Jul-10, 21:29
Makes me laugh when people suggest that if Thurso retailers want to stay in business they need to up their game. They need to provide the people of the town with what they want. Lets have a look at what they are providing.
In terms of food we have 3 cracking butchers. Harrolds, Mackays and Bews sell the best meat you are likely to find anywhere. Without exception.
Johnsons, Jamesons and Reids all stock a fantastic range of breads, pies, biscuits, cakes all fresh made in the town. That's 3 top class bakers as well as your butchers.
Two yes two local fish shops. The fishbowl and the harbour shops are full of really fresh, not frozen, scottish landed fish.
If you can't find the drink you are after in J A Mackays they probably don't make it, plus all the local cheeses, pickles jams and tons of other local stuff. Bin Ends is packed with all the wine you will ever need plus beer a plenty.
Away from food we've got I think four furniture shops, caithness home furnishers, Riverside replicas, A and D, and the Kilm store, all providing top notch stuff with service to match any problems they sort it.
Not to mention Serendipity who have a massive amount of stuff to fill your house and fix it.
I could go on and on and mention the newsagents, card shops, clothes, Jewellers, fishing tackle, kids clothes shop, cafes, restaurants, music, chemists, sports, electrical florists etc and I've probably forgotten others.
Sometimes people cannot see the wood for the trees.
Yes in some instances they may be a tad more expensive but in most cases they are providing a quality product and service but people are under the impression that it is inferior to the big shops.
In reality what people want is two chickens for a fiver.
These are our towns and if we do not support them they will be gone.
When I'm north I take my elderly relatives to Tesco- not so much to buy stuff- but to let them have a nice long walk, meet people and get a decent workout without having to deal with uneven pavements.
however, on a recent visit north, I saw the girl marking down some meat, and pointed out to her that it was not only brown, but also had maggots crawling over it. I suggested it should be withdrawn and binned- but instead it was marked down to 50p
Pros and cons.
Wick by the way has only two remaining independent butchers - and the traditional bakers are starting to close premises.
You can't have it all ways
KEEP_ON_TRUCKIN
20-Jul-10, 22:23
although most mechanics will tell you not to buy your petrol from Tesco.
why do they say that ? half the time it's hughy simpson filling them up ???????
as for the comments supporting local butchers....yup there are plenty magic butchers...and after ready the last post about maggots on meat in tesco...it beggars belief I feel sick and although I do GO to tesco and buy most of my food shop i'm going to buy even more from butchers now!!
When I'm north I take my elderly relatives to Tesco- not so much to buy stuff- but to let them have a nice long walk, meet people and get a decent workout without having to deal with uneven pavements.
however, on a recent visit north, I saw the girl marking down some meat, and pointed out to her that it was not only brown, but also had maggots crawling over it. I suggested it should be withdrawn and binned- but instead it was marked down to 50p
Pros and cons.
Wick by the way has only two remaining independent butchers - and the traditional bakers are starting to close premises.
You can't have it all ways
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. You come north and take your elderly relatives to......
Tescos!?
Oh my goodness. Do you find locked doors and wonder why, when you try to look some of your "elderly relatives" up? :)
Yup- I take old dad- who doesn't get out much- to Tesco- because he is old (83) and his knees don't work well. He needs walking practice to sort out his arthritis, and if he is on the main street he has falls. He can't afford to go breaking bones, and if he does stumble and fall in a supermarket, there are enough people around to help him back to his feet.
if I take him down the road, we go in the car, and go where we need door to door- as long as the traffic warden lets us park nearby.
In London I take the old in-laws to Waitrose for much the same reason.
pentlander
20-Jul-10, 23:24
why do they say that ? half the time it's hughy simpson filling them up ???????
as for the comments supporting local butchers....yup there are plenty magic butchers...and after ready the last post about maggots on meat in tesco...it beggars belief I feel sick and although I do GO to tesco and buy most of my food shop i'm going to buy even more from butchers now!!
Why would it take a post on here, which without wishing to insult the poster, I have doubts about would you ever want to buy meat in tescos.
I doubt that the hygiene standards are frankly as bad as described but you live in a place that produces some of the finest beef and lamb in the world.
You can probably get a pair of sirloin steaks in Tesco for 5 or six quid that the butchers would not sell you for stew. I'd rather pay a tenner for two that the butcher can tell you the name of the cow.
onecalledk
21-Jul-10, 13:34
[quote=glaikit;738310]I agree with a lot of what you say onecalledk but I think Tesco are totally unscrupulous and use quite dodgy methods, as was shown in the Channel 4 documentary (remincing old, brown meat, etc ugh).
Simple things like buying up land to stop competitors developing on it, when they themselves have no intention of building on it (I think they own 70% of the land which can be developed).
your post sums it up CHEAP FOOD. If people REALLY understood what they were buying then price would not come into it. Please dont get swallowed up by the hype about EVERY LITTLE HELPS when buying in TESCO.
Cheap food is not NUTRITIOUS FOOD. If you wander round tesco today LOOK, really SEE what is on special offer, SUGAR, EMPTY FOOD. Tesco cannot be beaten on price but local shops can compete ON QUALITY.
when you go to a local butcher YOU KNOW where the meat comes from, yes it may be a little dearer but that has to be weighed up with the quality. I would rather pay a little more to know that I am eating quality meat than meat that could well as you so rightly point out be regurgitated meat that has been through the processing system lots of times.
Tesco use the price to herd the shoppers in through the doors. COme to us they cry for we are cheap. Yes they are but they are empty. We as a human race need to start looking at what we are consuming in general.
Dont be fooled by the packets of food claiming to be full of goodness and containing nowt but additives. Packaging, marketing is all VERY SLICK.
For those on low budgets it is possible to buy fresh, quality food. We already consume too much these days, dinner plates are bigger, cups are bigger, we have learned BIG from the USA! If you eat nutrious food you need LESS cos its satisfying. Thus saving you money in the long term.
Alternatively you could shop with MR TESCO, hand over your hard earned cash and find yourself back within a short period handing more over.
Tesco are very slick, keep giving the message cheap and the consumer is so stupid they wont realise how they were sucked in until all they have is a tesco and no local produce......
Take off the rose tinted glasses when it comes to supermarkets, they are NOT YOUR FRIEND.
We are a race obsessed with CHEAP. That comes at a price to health and economy. Think the next time you buy a nice CHEAP t shirt, some little child sweated all day for next to nothing to enable you to buy CHEAP.
K
No offence, but on the off chance that somebody on here had definite knowledge either way, I doubt they'd actually post it on here.
Normally I like to try and argue in a semi-intelligent fashion, but really, just shut up. Please.
I find it disgusting that a fellow orger would tell someone to shut up on a discussion site. We are all entitled to have a discussion not just your opinion matters and means something, or is right. Glad you are not my MP![disgust]
onecalledk
21-Jul-10, 13:44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEkc70ztOrc
for those who want to know more about how meat is "farmed", there are parts 1 - 4 in this video but I couldnt watch much past part 2........
K
tiger woods
21-Jul-10, 14:02
[quote=glaikit;738310]I agree with a lot of what you say onecalledk but I think Tesco are totally unscrupulous and use quite dodgy methods, as was shown in the Channel 4 documentary (remincing old, brown meat, etc ugh).
Simple things like buying up land to stop competitors developing on it, when they themselves have no intention of building on it (I think they own 70% of the land which can be developed).
your post sums it up CHEAP FOOD. If people REALLY understood what they were buying then price would not come into it. Please dont get swallowed up by the hype about EVERY LITTLE HELPS when buying in TESCO.
Cheap food is not NUTRITIOUS FOOD. If you wander round tesco today LOOK, really SEE what is on special offer, SUGAR, EMPTY FOOD. Tesco cannot be beaten on price but local shops can compete ON QUALITY.
when you go to a local butcher YOU KNOW where the meat comes from, yes it may be a little dearer but that has to be weighed up with the quality. I would rather pay a little more to know that I am eating quality meat than meat that could well as you so rightly point out be regurgitated meat that has been through the processing system lots of times.
Tesco use the price to herd the shoppers in through the doors. COme to us they cry for we are cheap. Yes they are but they are empty. We as a human race need to start looking at what we are consuming in general.
Dont be fooled by the packets of food claiming to be full of goodness and containing nowt but additives. Packaging, marketing is all VERY SLICK.
For those on low budgets it is possible to buy fresh, quality food. We already consume too much these days, dinner plates are bigger, cups are bigger, we have learned BIG from the USA! If you eat nutrious food you need LESS cos its satisfying. Thus saving you money in the long term.
Alternatively you could shop with MR TESCO, hand over your hard earned cash and find yourself back within a short period handing more over.
Tesco are very slick, keep giving the message cheap and the consumer is so stupid they wont realise how they were sucked in until all they have is a tesco and no local produce......
Take off the rose tinted glasses when it comes to supermarkets, they are NOT YOUR FRIEND.
We are a race obsessed with CHEAP. That comes at a price to health and economy. Think the next time you buy a nice CHEAP t shirt, some little child sweated all day for next to nothing to enable you to buy CHEAP.
K
Tesco sell a lot more than just food.
I bought a TV a few months back and saved £130 on a like for like model. Am I to believe that those posting on here would rather 'prop-up' an over priced high street shop by paying £130 more for something because they are principalled and refuse to recognise the good major supermarkets do?
I would like to hear from anyone stupid enough to argue the positives of over priced rip-off merchants in the high street.
pentlander
21-Jul-10, 14:14
[quote=onecalledk;738772]
Tesco sell a lot more than just food.
I bought a TV a few months back and saved £130 on a like for like model. Am I to believe that those posting on here would rather 'prop-up' an over priced high street shop by paying £130 more for something because they are principalled and refuse to recognise the good major supermarkets do?
I would like to hear from anyone stupid enough to argue the positives of over priced rip-off merchants in the high street.
Try taking it back if it breaks.
onecalledk
21-Jul-10, 14:26
can i point out that I didnt post about Tvs! misquoted methinks....
tesco can buy in bulk therefore the electronic stuff is cheaper than the high street shops. I have tried returning a tv/video (it was a long time ago:):)) combo that I purchased from tesco when it began to play up. The palava of trying to get a refund was stupid. The woman in tesco actually said to me "where else are you going to get a tv at this price" when I tried to get physical cash instead of a swap for another tv.... She is of course correct.
Tesco have done a good job at making the public think they are their best friend.
As said in previous post, look beyond CHEAP.
K
tiger woods
21-Jul-10, 14:33
[quote=tiger woods;738788]
Try taking it back if it breaks.
TV has a three year guarantee (I've registered the TV with the manufacturer) and if there are any problems I will deal with the manufacturer directly via their warranty procedures outlined in the paperwork. Thats's worth £130 to me.
pentlander
21-Jul-10, 14:34
can i point out that I didnt post about Tvs! misquoted methinks....
tesco can buy in bulk therefore the electronic stuff is cheaper than the high street shops. I have tried returning a tv/video (it was a long time ago:):)) combo that I purchased from tesco when it began to play up. The palava of trying to get a refund was stupid. The woman in tesco actually said to me "where else are you going to get a tv at this price" when I tried to get physical cash instead of a swap for another tv.... She is of course correct.
Tesco have done a good job at making the public think they are their best friend.
As said in previous post, look beyond CHEAP.
K
Sorry onecalledk I was meant to quote TW
tiger woods
21-Jul-10, 14:42
can i point out that I didnt post about Tvs! misquoted methinks....
tesco can buy in bulk therefore the electronic stuff is cheaper than the high street shops. I have tried returning a tv/video (it was a long time ago:):)) combo that I purchased from tesco when it began to play up. The palava of trying to get a refund was stupid. The woman in tesco actually said to me "where else are you going to get a tv at this price" when I tried to get physical cash instead of a swap for another tv.... She is of course correct.
Tesco have done a good job at making the public think they are their best friend.
As said in previous post, look beyond CHEAP.
K
And your point is?
Duncansby
21-Jul-10, 14:48
Onecalledk you sum it up nicely, there are other costs involved in the production of goods besides the consumer having less cash in their pocket. We make decisions to purchase goods, on price, quality and customer service; and increasingly also on human and environmental costs. Do we really want to wear a shirt costing £2 that was made by a child in a third world county, which will like as not fall apart after a few months? Personally I'd rather have fewer belongings at a high quality than lots of things which are poorly made. But that’s not to say I don’t like a good deal – like tiger I’d prefer that £130 was in my pocket than someone else’s.
But it’s misleading to suggest that small retailers are ‘robbing us’ and that large chains are our ‘saviours’. They are all business – providing a service yes, but whether large or small their sole aim is to make money! Ok so you’ll pay more in Caithness for some things than further down the line but equally other things are cheaper.
I find it disgusting that a fellow orger would tell someone to shut up on a discussion site. We are all entitled to have a discussion not just your opinion matters and means something, or is right. Glad you are not my MP![disgust]
Oh please, how many times have you told someone to shut up in real life? Hiding behind anonymity makes too many self-righteous.
And I would apologise if me telling someone to shut up really had offended so many people, but it would sound hollow even to my ears.
buggyracer
21-Jul-10, 17:50
Oh please, how many times have you told someone to shut up in real life? Hiding behind anonymity makes too many self-righteous.
And I would apologise if me telling someone to shut up really had offended so many people, but it would sound hollow even to my ears.
whether in real life or behind a computer screen it is still bad manners........:confused
you wouldnt say it to someone you had never met before if in a similar conversation in real life? would you? if the answer is yes, id imagine your used to the odd slap lol.
whether in real life or behind a computer screen it is still bad manners........:confused
That obviously wasn't the point...
you wouldnt say it to someone you had never met before if in a similar conversation in real life? would you? if the answer is yes, id imagine your used to the odd slap lol.
If it needed to be said, then sure.
buggyracer
21-Jul-10, 18:07
That obviously wasn't the point...
If it needed to be said, then sure.
so you are seriously telling me if you met a complete stranger in real life, and they were talking about the values of local shops versus supermarkets, as in the context of this thread your opening account would be "shut up"?:eek:
so you are seriously telling me if you met a complete stranger in real life, and they were talking about the values of local shops versus supermarkets, as in the context of this thread your opening account would be "shut up"?:eek:
If I was talking about anything with somebody, and their first comment was X is bad (and that is all) then I'd tell them to "shut up" or at the very least say something with evidence.
lmao....dont u just love the thurso rumour mill....i reckon it will be just llike wick....all that speculation will they..wont they...then one day you'll go to bed...the fences will go up and woah and behold a brand new shop...typical small town mentality...if we dont know whats happening we'll just make it up..cause... hey he/she said so it must be right.... reckon we'll just need to wait and see...cause theres so many arms and legs attached to these stories nobody will ever no for sure til it gets here.....hey but thats just my opinion...[disgust]
buggyracer
21-Jul-10, 19:03
If I was talking about anything with somebody, and their first comment was X is bad (and that is all) then I'd tell them to "shut up" or at the very least say something with evidence.
LMAO.....sure you would......:lol::lol:
LMAO.....sure you would......:lol::lol:
So you ask a question of me, then doubt the answer? That's convenient for you...
Oh please, how many times have you told someone to shut up in real life? Hiding behind anonymity makes too many self-righteous.
And I would apologise if me telling someone to shut up really had offended so many people, but it would sound hollow even to my ears.
arrogance diminishes wisdom
arrogance diminishes wisdom
That sentence is amusingly circular.
The original post was whether or not Thurso would get a big new Tesco on Ormlie Road, next to two schools and the railway station. the pros and cons of supermarkets appear to have taken the post over- as indeed has the arrogance of one or two orgers slugging it out with one another.
buggyracer
21-Jul-10, 22:05
:D
So you ask a question of me, then doubt the answer? That's convenient for you...
:lol: can you blame me, you sound a rite un......:eek:
:D
:lol: can you blame me, you sound a rite un......:eek:
Kind of defeats the purpose of asking questions if you'll only accept one answer then...
Green_not_greed
22-Jul-10, 12:38
your post sums it up CHEAP FOOD. If people REALLY understood what they were buying then price would not come into it. Please dont get swallowed up by the hype about EVERY LITTLE HELPS when buying in TESCO.
Cheap food is not NUTRITIOUS FOOD. If you wander round tesco today LOOK, really SEE what is on special offer, SUGAR, EMPTY FOOD. Tesco cannot be beaten on price but local shops can compete ON QUALITY.
when you go to a local butcher YOU KNOW where the meat comes from, yes it may be a little dearer but that has to be weighed up with the quality. I would rather pay a little more to know that I am eating quality meat than meat that could well as you so rightly point out be regurgitated meat that has been through the processing system lots of times.
Tesco use the price to herd the shoppers in through the doors. COme to us they cry for we are cheap. Yes they are but they are empty. We as a human race need to start looking at what we are consuming in general.
Dont be fooled by the packets of food claiming to be full of goodness and containing nowt but additives. Packaging, marketing is all VERY SLICK.
For those on low budgets it is possible to buy fresh, quality food. We already consume too much these days, dinner plates are bigger, cups are bigger, we have learned BIG from the USA! If you eat nutrious food you need LESS cos its satisfying. Thus saving you money in the long term.
Alternatively you could shop with MR TESCO, hand over your hard earned cash and find yourself back within a short period handing more over.
Tesco are very slick, keep giving the message cheap and the consumer is so stupid they wont realise how they were sucked in until all they have is a tesco and no local produce......
Take off the rose tinted glasses when it comes to supermarkets, they are NOT YOUR FRIEND.
We are a race obsessed with CHEAP. That comes at a price to health and economy. Think the next time you buy a nice CHEAP t shirt, some little child sweated all day for next to nothing to enable you to buy CHEAP.
K
Brilliant post, BTW. And so true. Tescotown has no other shops left except Tesco. And has anyone else noticed how much their prices have gone up in the past 12 months now that they've secured their customer base?
tiger woods
22-Jul-10, 12:41
Brilliant post, BTW. And so true. Tescotown has no other shops left except Tesco. And has anyone else noticed how much their prices have gone up in the past 12 months now that they've secured their customer base?
Don't shop there then.
Tesco sell a lot more than just food.
I bought a TV a few months back and saved £130 on a like for like model.
I am interested in knowing the make and model number of this TV and whom Tesco were £130 cheaper than in comparison. Thanks
KEEP_ON_TRUCKIN
22-Jul-10, 21:14
Why would it take a post on here, which without wishing to insult the poster, I have doubts about would you ever want to buy meat in tescos.
I doubt that the hygiene standards are frankly as bad as described but you live in a place that produces some of the finest beef and lamb in the world.
You can probably get a pair of sirloin steaks in Tesco for 5 or six quid that the butchers would not sell you for stew. I'd rather pay a tenner for two that the butcher can tell you the name of the cow.
no offence taken by the poster....but indeed...sometimes as Tescos intended it is very convenient and easy to pick up a couple of Willow Farm Organic Chicken Fillets for the dinner the night yer in picking up the rest of your groceries.....
tiger woods
22-Jul-10, 21:17
I am interested in knowing the make and model number of this TV and whom Tesco were £130 cheaper than in comparison. Thanks
I'm detecting you don't believe me.
I'm detecting you don't believe me.
Not at all, I just want to compare with other retailers to see how good a bargain, if any, it is when more outlets have been checked.
The proof of the pudding will be in the make and model number.
lmao....dont u just love the thurso rumour mill....i reckon it will be just llike wick....all that speculation will they..wont they...then one day you'll go to bed...the fences will go up and woah and behold a brand new shop...typical small town mentality...if we dont know whats happening we'll just make it up..cause... hey he/she said so it must be right.... reckon we'll just need to wait and see...cause theres so many arms and legs attached to these stories nobody will ever no for sure til it gets here.....hey but thats just my opinion...[disgust]agree with you 100%, what folk dont know as fact they makeup themselves, obviously with nothing better to do.
tiger woods
23-Jul-10, 08:47
Not at all, I just want to compare with other retailers to see how good a bargain, if any, it is when more outlets have been checked.
The proof of the pudding will be in the make and model number.
Still detecting a note of sinisism .
Still detecting a note of sinisism .
still detecting back pedaling from your original claim, put up the make and model, or shut up
tiger woods
23-Jul-10, 09:41
still detecting back pedaling from your original claim, put up the make and model, or shut up
Panasonic TX-P50X20B 50" HD Ready TV 100Hz Plasma with built in Freeview
Catalogue number: 208-0420
http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.208-0420.aspx#ComparePrices
I purchased the TV in February, should've waited a little longer. Happy now?
Panasonic TX-P50X20B 50" HD Ready TV 100Hz Plasma with built in Freeview
Catalogue number: 208-0420
http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.208-0420.aspx#ComparePrices
I purchased the TV in February, should've waited a little longer. Happy now?
Now wasn't that easy [lol]
tiger woods
23-Jul-10, 10:17
Now wasn't that easy [lol]
Very easy.
I would say I've saved hundreds, if not thousands of pounds by shopping in Tesco's over the years. I just don't understand all the hostility towards Tesco.
They do save people money and if that's a bad thing, well there is no pleasing some people.
Tubthumper
23-Jul-10, 10:22
Big, anonymous, easy to criticise, not your neighbour.
I can understand that; when you see things that don't please you or are outwith your control, there's a temptation to lash out at something that won't lash back.
tiger woods
23-Jul-10, 10:24
Big, anonymous, easy to criticise, not your neighbour.
I can understand that; when you see things that don't please you or are outwith your control, there's a temptation to lash out at something that won't lash back.
Explanation please!!
Walter Ego
23-Jul-10, 10:29
I use Tescos'.
Before they opened I used Somerfields and the Co-op in Wick. The service was apalling, the staff were apathetic and the range was limited. They left themselves wide open for Tesco's to come in and rip the backside out of them. Two national firms providing a dismal service got what they deserved.
All I did was transfer my supermarket shop to a better competitor, but I still buy all my meat, spuds and veg locally.
Someone posted about meat being 'brown'.
The bright red meat is the stuff you should avoid - you've been brainwashed by the supermarkets into believing this means 'fresh' - it doesn't.
As for your accusation of there being 'maggots' on the meat: I don't believe you. Perhaps you've never seen meat with fat in it before?
Panasonic TX-P50X20B 50" HD Ready TV 100Hz Plasma with built in Freeview
Catalogue number: 208-0420
http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.208-0420.aspx#ComparePrices
I purchased the TV in February, should've waited a little longer. Happy now?
Mebbe you should have waited £584.00 now (not at Tesco mind).
tiger woods
23-Jul-10, 10:54
Mebbe you should have waited £584.00 now (not at Tesco mind).
The important thing is that I saved money at the time. Which proves there are savings to be made at Tesco. People who dismiss them just because of their name are narrow minded and stupid. Would they pay £500 more for a tv so they can stay 'principalled.' I would sugest not.
If I'm wrong, whose the real idiot here?
Still detecting a note of sinisism .
I just wanted to know whether you had ACTUALLY saved £130 or whether Tesco TOLD you that you were saving £130.
Your subsequent (drawn out like a wisdom tooth) revelation of the facts has shown that you used the Tesco "price check" button to compare the price. This facility is for people whose heads button up at the back because they only include retailers who are more expensive and don't show the reality that Tesco stink on prices for electrical goods. The TV you bought currently retails in Tesco at £799 and the price check shows you that you are saving a whopping £500 on PC World's price. WOW, I'm saving £500, woo hoo!! However, anyone with the nous to click on Google and enter a serial number can see that Tesco are taking the eyes out of you, as this same TV is £629.53 with Amazon and way cheaper than Tesco with numerous others. Amazon will deliver it for free as well and I note that John Lewis are £649 for the same TV and a Five year guarantee
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-TX-P50X20B-50-inch-Widescreen-Freeview/dp/B00378KHPK
"Brain Cells - every little less helps Tesco"
The important thing is that I saved money at the time.
No, you simply didn't pay as much as if you had shopped at the worst price Tesco could find and then fill your head with rubbish about getting a bargain. Narrow minded indeed!!
tiger woods
23-Jul-10, 13:20
No, you simply didn't pay as much as if you had shopped at the worst price Tesco could find and then fill your head with rubbish about getting a bargain. Narrow minded indeed!!
You don't seriously believe that the only research I did was to check Tesco's price comparison site. I can assure you I did shop around both physically and online. At the time of purchase, (February 17 2010,) the best price I could find was in Tesco's, the next cheapest was I think, Curry's and was £130 more expensive. Whether you believe this or not is of no importance to me but the question was asked and I believe I have given a suitable answer.
You don't seriously believe that the only research I did was to check Tesco's price comparison site. I can assure you I did shop around both physically and online. At the time of purchase, (February 17 2010,) the best price I could find was in Tesco's, the next cheapest was I think, Curry's and was £130 more expensive. Whether you believe this or not is of no importance to me but the question was asked and I believe I have given a suitable answer.
My main issue is with whether Tesco are good for prices on electrical goods or not. You cited your £130 "saving" as evidence that Tesco save you money. I don't think that this is the case at all. I have priced TV's and other electrical goods for myself and several others over the years and I think Tesco stink on price.
I picked a random selection from Tesco and compared to Amazon for research today:-
Sony KDL37EX403- Tesco price £599 Amazon price £499
Panasonic TX-37G20B- Tesco £749 Amazon £705
Sony KD640EX401- Tesco £529 Amazon £479
Panasonic TXL42U2B- Tesco £579 Amazon £529
Samsung LE55C650L1- Tesco £1699 Amazon £1415
I would say there is a clear pattern there and can confirm that other outlets were also cheaper than Tesco and I have never found Tesco to be the cheapest in the past three or so years I have been looking.
Well i hope the rumour is true and tesco does pull out of thurso and let the likes asda come instead for a bit of healthy competition
onecalledk
23-Jul-10, 15:55
Well i hope the rumour is true and tesco does pull out of thurso and let the likes asda come instead for a bit of healthy competition
If you look at the farce that is Inverness and its choice of supermarkets you will see that Asda wont be going anywhere for competition anytime soon !
Did hear that Sainsbury were going to go into Nairn , now that would be competition, having shopped in Sainsbury in the past their own products are pretty good quality.....
What should happen in a perfect world is everyone is on the same playing field and the customer has a choice of various supermarkets and various outlets.... but we dont live in a perfect world ......
K
tiger woods
23-Jul-10, 15:55
My main issue is with whether Tesco are good for prices on electrical goods or not. You cited your £130 "saving" as evidence that Tesco save you money. I don't think that this is the case at all. I have priced TV's and other electrical goods for myself and several others over the years and I think Tesco stink on price.
I picked a random selection from Tesco and compared to Amazon for research today:-
Sony KDL37EX403- Tesco price £599 Amazon price £499
Panasonic TX-37G20B- Tesco £749 Amazon £705
Sony KD640EX401- Tesco £529 Amazon £479
Panasonic TXL42U2B- Tesco £579 Amazon £529
Samsung LE55C650L1- Tesco £1699 Amazon £1415
I would say there is a clear pattern there and can confirm that other outlets were also cheaper than Tesco and I have never found Tesco to be the cheapest in the past three or so years I have been looking.
And I could do the reverse of what you've just done. I've no doubt that I could have got it cheaper but decided to end my search on 17 Feb. and go and pick the tv up from my local store, happy in the knowledge that it was the cheapest that I could find at that time. I was happy with my purchase until you mentioned Amazon, thanks.
Just getting back into the swing after me new knee Op..
What's all this about Tesco not building in Thurso at the Auction Mart?
A few years back I was in email and telephone conversations with Doug Wilson; Tesco Corporate affairs Manager about them originally coming and at that time he gave me the ok to gave out details of the proposed site just before the release was made publicly.
So have emailed him again:
"Hi Doug, It's [bekisman] here - I was in touch with you via phone and email some time ago about your coming to the Auction Mart in Thurso - thought it was all signed and sealed? Of course rumours do propagate but the voices seem to be getting stronger (Examples) "I heard a rumour today that Tesco was pulling out of the mart site in Thurso. Anyone else heard the same?"
"I was told this by my Local Postie about 3 to 4 weeks ago. Do not if it is true or not, I suppose we will have to wait and see".
Sorry to cause any inconvenience but any chance of a quick email to say yea or nay? A great many thanks..
He's come back with: "Hi [bekisman], There has been a small delay waiting on demolition contracts due mainly to holidays.
The new store is on our development programme and we will be starting shortly.
Thanks, Doug"...
pentlander
23-Jul-10, 20:44
'starting shortly'
Ha ha ha ha. Imagine going to a meeting and your boss says when are we going to start work. 'Shortly'
They have no intention of building there.
Imagine you have shops all over the UK including one in Wick and Thurso, both stores are amongst the poorest performing in your portfolio.
You go to the bank and say that you want to demolish your Thurso store and build a bigger one 1/4 of a mile away plus you need to do major road alterations and the brown field site needs major work before we can start.
It is going to cost a couple of million will you lend me the cash?
You would be laughed at.
And I could do the reverse of what you've just done.
Feel free, I suspect it will take you a lot longer than the five minutes it took me!!
tiger woods
23-Jul-10, 21:47
Feel free, I suspect it will take you a lot longer than the five minutes it took me!!
Can't be bothered, maybe later though,
tiger woods
23-Jul-10, 22:02
Just getting back into the swing after me new knee Op..
What's all this about Tesco not building in Thurso at the Auction Mart?
A few years back I was in email and telephone conversations with Doug Wilson; Tesco Corporate affairs Manager about them originally coming and at that time he gave me the ok to gave out details of the proposed site just before the release was made publicly.
So have emailed him again:
"Hi Doug, It's [bekisman] here - I was in touch with you via phone and email some time ago about your coming to the Auction Mart in Thurso - thought it was all signed and sealed? Of course rumours do propagate but the voices seem to be getting stronger (Examples) "I heard a rumour today that Tesco was pulling out of the mart site in Thurso. Anyone else heard the same?"
"I was told this by my Local Postie about 3 to 4 weeks ago. Do not if it is true or not, I suppose we will have to wait and see".
Sorry to cause any inconvenience but any chance of a quick email to say yea or nay? A great many thanks..
He's come back with: "Hi [bekisman], There has been a small delay waiting on demolition contracts due mainly to holidays.
The new store is on our development programme and we will be starting shortly.
Thanks, Doug"...
Is this 'insider dealing?'
pentlander
23-Jul-10, 23:47
Well i hope the rumour is true and tesco does pull out of thurso and let the likes asda come instead for a bit of healthy competition
Well I hope you enjoy your competition between who can source the cheapest Chinese t shirts, Indonesian prawns, and Mexican beef.
'starting shortly'
Ha ha ha ha. Imagine going to a meeting and your boss says when are we going to start work. 'Shortly' They have no intention of building there.
Imagine you have shops all over the UK including one in Wick and Thurso, both stores are amongst the poorest performing in your portfolio.
You go to the bank and say that you want to demolish your Thurso store and build a bigger one 1/4 of a mile away plus you need to do major road alterations and the brown field site needs major work before we can start.
It is going to cost a couple of million will you lend me the cash?
You would be laughed at.
"Supermarket giant Tesco has rung up record annual profits yet again despite the economic downturn, and declared there is little danger of a double-dip recession in Britain. Britain's biggest retailer posted underlying pre-tax profits of £3.4bn for the 12 months to the end of February, a 10.1% rise on the previous year."
You sound very parochial Pentlander, have you actually travelled?.. Tesco going to the Bank? Hmm..
I'll take note "They have no intention of building there" - presume you know this? is your business acumen and vast personal experience of the business sector so great, that you can espouse opinions that are contrary to the accepted view of those in the know?
I Keep coming across these threads about 'Town Centres Dying'. Sorry to startle anyone, but that's been going on for a very long time.. Town Centres are NOT sacrosanct. It might have taken a long while before it seeped up here to the Far North, but amongst these Orgers, are many from the south who can go back countless years and recall their own town centre shops closing.. same in the more rural areas - ever used the Fuel station at Strathy?.
It might not be progress but it is an irresistible force - I went into Haldanes Supermarket in Wick yesterday, (now that was a bad business move!) Me, Mrs Beks and a checkout girl.. where are those who want to 'save the town centre'?
We also spent money in 'Spoons, the 99p shop, Semi-chem, used the Post Office. We also used Tesco, as I want a wide variety of foods at good prices, I want to shop when 'I' want, not have to wait over lunch whilst Begs have their break. i.e:
02-Jun-10, 12:11 A couple months ago we drove in from 'out west' to see about getting a couple of new TV's.. time we got in, it was lunch time, were going to look in Graham Beggs'; oh dear, 'closed for lunch' - never mind, drive over to Wick, went into Tesco and before Beggs had opened after their lunch break, had walked out with a 32" LCD HD Samsung and a 22" LCD Bush. Fair enough for any store/shop that has just one member of staff, it is difficult. But more than two? how about staggered lunchtimes?
Better get used to it.
pentlander
24-Jul-10, 18:33
You sound very parochial Pentlander, have you actually travelled?.. Tesco going to the Bank? Hmm..
I'll take note "They have no intention of building there" - presume you know this? is your business acumen and vast personal experience of the business sector so great, that you can espouse opinions that are contrary to the accepted view of those in the know?
Yes B I have travelled and lived all over the UK. I do have some limited life experience.
Of course Tescos does not have to go the the bank. The point was that there commercial descions don't seem to operate under what we would consider normal business practice.
You answered you own question with your second point. It is my OPINION that Tescos have no intention of building on the mart site. That opinion is based on the companies past history of land banking and the afore mentioned lack of commercial justification for a new store.
pentlander
30-Sep-10, 21:37
Bump.
After this weeks Courier article I am somewhat reluctant to say I told you so but
I TOLD YOU SO.
Bump.
After this weeks Courier article I am somewhat reluctant to say I told you so but
I TOLD YOU SO.
How very astute of you, it seems others are too eager to diss your view without a care.
Tesco clothing has gone very downmarket compared to recent years- no cashmere knitwear for a start- and as i'm in economy drive mode, am rather relieved. My pals in Wick however are trying to get M&S food only stores to consider the Woolies site- any progress there yet?
I've changed my view about the need for a supermarket on the auction mart site, the area is already over-prescribed with supermarkets. I would like to see it landscaped as a greenfield site. I do not agree with Tesco sitting on the site without further developing it and letting it go to ruin. I fear we have a long term problem here.
Well I hope you enjoy your competition between who can source the cheapest Chinese t shirts, Indonesian prawns, and Mexican beef.
I buy jeans out asda £4 a pair how can you go wrong at that price and theres nothing wrong with them.
Mexican beef is just as good as scottish beef ?.
Do you no that when you see meet in the shops that says its scottish beef technically a lot of it isnt the beef is imported into scotland as long as the meet is cut up and processed in scotland it can then be legally tagged as scottish beef when the beef came from another country?
Kevin Milkins
02-Oct-10, 09:59
I buy jeans out asda £4 a pair how can you go wrong at that price and theres nothing wrong with them.
Mexican beef is just as good as scottish beef ?.
Do you no that when you see meet in the shops that says its scottish beef technically a lot of it isnt the beef is imported into scotland as long as the meet is cut up and processed in scotland it can then be legally tagged as scottish beef when the beef came from another country?
If you where fully aware of shoddy way that beef is produced in Mexico, you might look a bit closer at where your beef comes from.:eek:
Animal welfare and long term concerns for the end user comes very low down the list of priorities when you become a meat producer in Mexico.
Growth promoting hormones are still widely used, so if you eat a lot of meat produced in Mexico and your showing signs of moobs, you might want to take a closer look at place of origin a bit closer.
If you where fully aware of shoddy way that beef is produced in Mexico, you might look a bit closer at where your beef comes from.:eek:
Animal welfare and long term concerns for the end user comes very low down the list of priorities when you become a meat producer in Mexico.
Growth promoting hormones are still widely used, so if you eat a lot of meat produced in Mexico and your showing signs of moobs, you might want to take a closer look at place of origin a bit closer.
But with the ever growing population in the world and higher demand for food there is always going to be some form of method for speeding up the process of animals growth unfortunatley to meet the demand?
If you where fully aware of shoddy way that beef is produced in Mexico, you might look a bit closer at where your beef comes from.:eek:
Animal welfare and long term concerns for the end user comes very low down the list of priorities when you become a meat producer in Mexico.
Growth promoting hormones are still widely used, so if you eat a lot of meat produced in Mexico and your showing signs of moobs, you might want to take a closer look at place of origin a bit closer.
Do you have any references? I Googled it and can't find any horror stories. If anything the opposite. Also imports of hormone treated cattle to the EU appears to be banned unless that has changed.
Kevin Milkins
02-Oct-10, 19:14
Do you have any references? I Googled it and can't find any horror stories. If anything the opposite. Also imports of hormone treated cattle to the EU appears to be banned unless that has changed.
No, I'm sorry, I don't have a link or reference to my knowledge of what I believe to be fact on the standards of meat production in Mexico, or can I be bothered to find one.:confused
To any Mexican meat producer, I offer my unreserved apology for my flippant remarks about my perceived standards of production in your country.;)
It makes more sense if you can buy local produce of course.
georgegwf
03-Oct-10, 19:51
The original thread asked if TESCO have pulled out of the mart site......
I have been told by a very un-reliable source that they are going to build wind mills [evil] ...........
It would seem a very good place for wind mills because of the hot air blast sometimes on the org.......
WAITING FOR THE BACKLASH
Or maybe we could have a huge smoking shelter :Razz
Mrs Bucket
03-Oct-10, 20:47
The original thread asked if TESCO have pulled out of the mart site......
I have been told by a very un-reliable source that they are going to build wind mills [evil] ...........
It would seem a very good place for wind mills because of the hot air blast sometimes on the org.......
WAITING FOR THE BACKLASH
Or maybe we could have a huge smoking shelter :Razz
Scotch beef with the red tractor is as described but scottish beef can be butchered in Scotland and not originated there thats what I have been informed
Mrs Bucket
03-Oct-10, 20:49
Sorry I did not mean to quote but to reply Sorry again
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