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Bob
13-Jun-10, 13:26
Hello,
This is an extension to our first post.
The following sets out the Mowat line as we are seeing them.

On the 1867 marriage register for John Mowat (Traveller to Aust. in 1857) and Grace Allan, it states John's parents as John Mowat and Barbara MacKay.
John (b:7Jul1809 d:23Mar1887) and Barbara (b: abt. 1806 d:1Oct1868) were married on 3.Dec.1830 Wick. They have been found in the 1841 census living at Winless. At 1841 we also see five of their six children.
The death indices for both John and Barbara show their parents.
(It's at this point that we need the help to expand on our current information.)
John's parents are shown as - Andrew Mowat and Mary Begg. They married 7Jul1804 Wick. Of births and deaths - Mary could be either 1771 or 1784, nothing is known of Andrew (or sometimes shown as Andw).
Barbara's parents are shown as - John McKay and Janet Sinclair. They married 21Dec1798 Reay. Of births and deaths - John b; abt 1771 d: abt 1841, Janet b:abt 1769.

The following sets out the Donaldson line as we are seeing it.

James Donaldson(b: abt 1832 d: 1923) and Ann Bain (b: 6Nov1843 d: 1885) were married on 9Aug1861 Keiss Wick. At the marriage the only parent shown as dec'd was James's mother Isabella.
(It's at this point that we need the help and advice to expand on our current information.)
James (traveller to Aust.) parents are James Donaldson (b; abt. 1776 d: 4Mar1874) and Isabella (Bell) Mowat (b: abt 1800 d: btwn 1841 and 1861), they were married 21Dec1827 Wick.
James Donaldson's parents are shown as - James Donaldson and Ann Rolf (Ralf?), they were married 17Nov1781.
Isabella Mowat's parents are shown as - Andrew Mowat (b: d: ) and Isbel (believe this to be a short form or misspelling of her name) (b: d: )

The following sets out the Bain line as we are seeing it.
Ann's marriage - see Donaldson above.
(It's at this point that we need the help and advice to expand on our current information.)
Ann's parents are shown as - Donald Bain (b: 1May1807 d: ) and Catherine Rosie (b: 19Aug1811 d: ), they were married 3Feb1843 Thurso.
Donald Bain's parents are shown as - Donald Bain (b: d: ) and Alexandrina Craig (b: abt 1765 d: ), they were married 6Feb1790 Wick.
Catherine Rosie's parents are shown as - James Rosie (b: 23Dec1776 d: ) and Elisabeth Dunnet (b: 9Feb1781 d: ), they were married 10Aug1801 Canisbay.

Thanks in anticipation.

Bob...



Hello,

This is my first post on the forum. We have come here in the hope of getting help to expand our knowledge of the roots of Ethel Ann Mowat.
This lady is the grandmother of my wife. She was born in 1895 in Maryborough, Victoria, Australia. Both her parents - John Mowat (b:1868) and Mary Jane Donaldson (b:1871) were born in the area.
Three of Ethel Ann's grandparents were born in Caithness - John Mowat (arrived Aus in 1857) and James Donaldson and wife Ann D [Bain] (arrived 1862).
We have begun the journey back to the generation before these three and beyond, and it's this information we'll be seeking help to confirm and expand - e.g. the Mowat, Donaldson and Bain families that form the roots of Ethel Ann.
In the next 24 hours we'll begin to document the information we have found and show the gaps we look to fill.
Beyond the three names above we also see as part of our investigations - MacKay (McKay); Begg; Sinclair; Craig; Rosie and Dunnet.

We look forward to the journey.

Bob...

GregMowat
26-Jun-10, 20:04
From the LDS website:
# ID: I4489
# Name: John William MOWAT
# Surname: Mowat
# Given Name: John William
# Sex: M
# Christening: 2 Jun 1805 Staxigoe, Wick, Caithness, Scotland
# _UID: 8AB7CCA8417B8B47A26209B64712A17878D9
# Census: 1841 Ulbster
# Occupation: fisher
# Change Date: 26 Jan 2006 at 20:16:37

Father: Thomas MOWAT c: 27 May 1768 in Wick Caithness Scotland
Mother: Catherine COCK c: 10 Nov 1765 in Wick, Caithness, Scotland

Marriage 1 Barbara MCKAY b: abt. 1806 in Staxigoe, Wick, Caithness, Scotland

* Married: 3 Dec 1830 in Wick Caithness Scotland

Children

1. Has No Children Janet MOWAT b: abt. 1832
2. Has Children Andrew MOWAT b: ABT 1834
3. Has No Children John MOWAT b: 1835
4. Has Children Alexander MOWAT b: ABT 1839
5. Has No Children James MOWAT b: 1840
6. Has No Children Mary MOWAT b: 1845 in Wick, Caithness, Scotland
-------------------------------------------------
From the above, I have 1805 John's parents as 1768 Thomas & 1765 Catherine Cock.
I've also found:
1768 Thomas parents: 1725 Thomas Mowat & Marjory Sutherland
1725 Thomas parents: Thomas Mowat & Katherine Cock (dates unknown) - 1690s?
I have much more info about the tree from 1690s down, via 1732 William Mowat (1725 Thomas brother).
NB: 1725 Thomas father and his son both married a Catherine or Katherine(spelling).

Greg Mowat (NZ), currently in UK.

Bob
27-Jun-10, 07:14
Hi Greg,

Thanks for the material. The difference btwn my initial research and your comments will be reviewed in the days ahead.

Regarding my John Mowat ( b: circa. 1836, Traveller). It is said - including newspaper quote - that during the first 10 years of his time in OZ (1857 - 1867), he made a trip to NZ (away 2 years). Are there known family connections that could have drawn him to NZ?

Regards

Bob
29-Jun-10, 03:19
Hi Greg,

Following a review of my material regarding John Mowat and Barbara McKay, I've confirmed my view that our difference is the birth date of your John Mowat(1805) (which, I guess, leads to a different John and, therefore, different parents).

I'm fine with the information regarding his wife Barbara.

I'm fine with the information regarding his six children, though I believe son John could have been born in 1836 and son Alexander born in 1837 (more below ++).

Regarding my John Mowat(1809), I have the following material from his death registry entry - (source: Scotlandspeople.gov.uk).

Death of John Mowat

John Mowat died 24.03.1887, 77 yo **. (Statutory Death's 043/00 0073)

Summary:

Name and surname: John Mowat (Farmer), widower of Barbara McKay
When and where: 24 March 1887, Winless, Parish of Wick

Father: Andrew Mowat (Farmer) Dec'd
Mother: Mary Mowat (MS Begg) Dec'd

Informant Andrew Mowat - Son


Comments on John(1809)

** John's age at death suggests he was born in 1809 / 1810 (I have 07.07.1809). This date is supported by his age for all the census entries except for 1851. (For that year is should be around 42, rather than the 47 recorded.)

The 1841 census address was for Ulbster, all following addresses were Winlass or Winless. I guess he move from the sea to the land during the 1840s.

A search of Scotlandspeople.gov.uk between 1.01.1827 and 31.12.1833, shows only one marriage between John Mowat and Barbara McKay.

++ Comment on John & Andrew Mowat

A newspaper article of 21 October 1921, from Maryborough Victoria, regarding John Mowat(1835/6), contains the following:

"Mr Mowat is of Scottish origin, having been born at Caithness, John o' Groats, on Easter Sunday, in 1837, being one of a family of three. His brother (Alexander) died in Caithness last January, at the age of 82."

There's more to this article, which I have as hardcopy. It's John(1835/6) who, it is said in this article, spent 2 years in NZ during the period 1857 and 1867.

Regards