Ditch the Flag

[piratelassie]

It's surely time to ditch the butchers apron and only use our national flags. The history of the union flag is too shameful.

[SkozkrHorgr]

If not for that flag and what it stands for, you wouldn't be able to sit comfortably at your keyboard/tablet/phone and have the freedom to complain about anything and everything. So I respect that piece of clothe and what it enables me to do, so please carry on, that is your right.

[golach]

It's surely time to ditch the butchers apron and only use our national flags. The history of the union flag is too shameful.

Certainly not, I am with Team GB, and our national flag every time 😀

[piratelassie]

That flag represents blood and empire whether we like it or not. Regards keyboard, tablet, phone etc. what have these items got to do with empire building?

[golach]

That flag represents blood and empire whether we like it or not. Regards keyboard, tablet, phone etc. what have these items got to do with empire building?

I have served under three ensigns, the Red while serving in the Merchant Navy , Blue while serving on Royal Fleet Auxiliarys, and then 27 years serving the White in the Royal Naval Reserve and I am proud of it , and I am not a key board warrior, have been there and served my time, and would do it again.

[sids]

That flag represents blood and empire whether we like it or not.

It's just a flag.

What country never went to war?

[roshep]

Sid, it is not JUST a flag but it is JUST Piratelassie spouting dribble again.

[piratelassie]

Golach, you can be proud of your own history, but not Brittish history when it involves exploiting other nations, slavery, invasion for gain etc. and roshep, if you think my post is dribble (what ever that is) please explain why.

[golach]

Golach, you can be proud of your own history, but not Brittish history when it involves exploiting other nations, slavery, invasion for gain etc. and roshep, if you think my post is dribble (what ever that is) please explain why.

Our National flag includes the cross of St Andrew, and if you check you history , you will find that most of the slave traders were Scots , who exploited thousands for profit, Scotland history is full of greed and misery as well. , as one of the failed 45%'s your just spouting sour grapes.

[piratelassie]

It was a Brittish Empire not an English, Welsh, Irish or Scottish Empire. If the UK had never been created there would not have been an empire to be ashamed of.

[golach]

I was not ashamed of Team Great Britain during the last Olymipc Games, have visited many of the Commonwealth countries, they all seemed to be prospering , which i doubt An independent Scotland would be, just look at the state under 10 years of SNP rule, NHS broken, Education broken, Police broken, Oil industry broken.

[rob murray]

It's surely time to ditch the butchers apron and only use our national flags. The history of the union flag is too shameful.

You've posted this before ??? Your a UK citizen whether you like it or not and thats your flag. You got the same reactions before to your post and our "national" flag is of course untainted and as pure as driven snow is it ? Just have a wee squint at pre union history ie Scotland as an independent country 1644 / 1645 Scottish civil war, inter clan, clan "warfare" / thieving / murdering enslaving defeated clans, zealous religious bigotry.. yep a nice wee untainted country.

[sids]

You've posted this before ??? Your a UK citizen whether you like it or not and thats your flag. You got the same reactions before to your post and our "national" flag is of course untainted and as pure as driven snow is it ? Just have a wee squint at pre union history ie Scotland as an independent country 1644 / 1645 Scottish civil war, inter clan, clan "warfare" / thieving / murdering enslaving defeated clans, zealous religious bigotry.. yep a nice wee untainted country.

Not to mention The Scottish invasion of Ireland in 1315.

[sids]

The Duke of Cumberland had a different flag anyways.

[rob murray]

The Duke of Cumberland had a different flag anyways.

Out of interest, what flag did he use, assuming its the culloden Duke of Cumberland ?

[sids]

Out of interest, what flag did he use, assuming its the culloden Duke of Cumberland ?

I don't know, but it wouldn't be the 1802 Union Jack.

[SkozkrHorgr]

It was a Brittish Empire not an English, Welsh, Irish or Scottish Empire. If the UK had never been created there would not have been an empire to be ashamed of.

If the UK hadn't of been created, the British isles would have been invaded many times over, the French, Spanish, Dutch etc all created empires to trade slaves and invade for gain, and WE would have been the people living under their rule. Empires existed and fought each other for resources, this is a fact of life, why can't we all get along and live in peace and harmony? Because Mankind on the whole is greedy, until we can get over this I don't think we'll have the world you protest so much for piratelassie.

[Alrock]

As a supporter of independence I just have to say that I like the flag & as long as we are part of the UK then it should remain...

The problem as I see it is that there is a lot of animosity towards it due to the fact that many English people think of it as an English flag & because of that so do many Scots...

[tonkatojo]

As a supporter of independence I just have to say that I like the flag & as long as we are part of the UK then it should remain...

The problem as I see it is that there is a lot of animosity towards it due to the fact that many English people think of it as an English flag & because of that so do many Scots...

Your quite correct, there are a lot of poorly educated folk around.

[sids]

The problem as I see it is that there is a lot of animosity towards it due to the fact that many English people think of it as an English flag & because of that so do many Scots...

That's quite a complicated way of blaming something on English people.