Global Warming Propaganda

**Phill** · 24-Nov-09, 13:56

What did justlooking do to upset the mods?

One post and their banned, crikey

**ShelleyCowie** · 24-Nov-09, 16:18

Originally Posted by Phill

What did justlooking do to upset the mods?

One post and their banned, crikey

Thats what i was thinking.

**Tubthumper** · 24-Nov-09, 18:47

This will be EagleClaw having a wee poke and stirring things up again. Not heard from you in a while EC, been away have you? Sober this time?
And this post, is it your own considered opinion? You haven't joined the debate, I wonder why?

**Eagleclaw68** · 24-Nov-09, 19:08

Originally Posted by Tubthumper

This will be EagleClaw having a wee poke and stirring things up again. Not heard from you in a while EC, been away have you? Sober this time?
And this post, is it your own considered opinion? You haven't joined the debate, I wonder why?

Its great that someone remembers me so there's my opinion on this issue.

Many people believe that global warming is caused solely by the human beings that are on the planet. It may be surprising to know that global warming is also a naturally occurring event. It can easily be argued that whatever global warming occurs naturally on the planet is a fraction of what humans are capable of contributing.

The human causes of global warming have been occurring for many years. The various methods in which humans contribute to global warming include everything from driving cars to simply breathing. Natural causes of global warming can be on a much larger scale that could be from sources outside of our planet. Whether the cause is natural or human, global warming is a serious problem that everyone should be aware of.

One natural cause of global warming involves the sun. Overtime explosions are generated on the surface of the sun and the impact is felt all the way back on Earth. The impact comes in the form of higher temperatures which directly affect global warming. These eruptions occur quite normally on the sun and the planet can be regularly subjected to the increased temperatures that result.

As both the Sun and the Earth orbit there are certain times that the two come closer to one another. When this happens it is normal to see an increase in temperatures on the planet. This is a great example of a natural cause of global warming. There is nothing we can actually do to prevent this from happening as it is part of the natural course of the universe.

**redeyedtreefrog** · 24-Nov-09, 19:24

Watch An Inconvenient truth, its got some good info. Search through some science websites, they'll have credible information.

**Kenn** · 24-Nov-09, 20:37

Well most of us will be aware of solar flares and sunspots and although they can contribute to a warming of the earth's atmosphere they also cause other events to happen such as wiping out communications.
With regard to the human contribution to CO2 emmissions common sense tells us that although we had an industrial revolution that was largely powered by fossile fuels,the internal combustion engine must be a far greater emmiter of such gases.Just one generation back, owning a car was a luxury,now it is quite common to have three in a single family! Worked out pro rata to the ever increasing world population it would be a massive increase in volume of such gases.
The destruction of the tropical rain forrest must also be factored in, it's biggest job was to act like a huge sponge, soaking up the CO2 ,some 50% has been felled within a single life time!

**NickInTheNorth** · 24-Nov-09, 20:49

Originally Posted by redeyedtreefrog

Watch An Inconvenient truth, its got some good info. Search through some science websites, they'll have credible information.

Got to agree with redeyedtreefrog.

An Inconvenient truth is a very good starting point for anyone wanting an easy introduction to the science behind global warming. After watching it I dug deeper and found that Al Gore has presented pretty much what the scientific community worldwide are in agreement about.

Global warming caused by man ?

Yes sir, I believe so.

**joxville** · 24-Nov-09, 21:30

The scientific community are the ones who got us into this bloody mess, it's not as bad as we are told. They have to get funding from somewhere so come out with all the scare stories they can think of to get money from Governments to pay for half-assed research......in other words taxpayers money to keep themselves in employment. Every so often another story crops up along the lines of 'We were wrong, it's worse than we thought'. Reading between the lines, what they are actually saying is 'we need even more of your money to continue our research'.

The other side to the argument which is rarely heard, because Governments and those with an agenda will lose millions of tax £'s, is the fact that we are still coming out of a natural ice age, which takes quite a long time-so I'm led to believe, and one result of that is the seas getting warmer, which in turn absorb less CO2.

For sure, man-made CO2 levels don't help, but I don't buy all the claptrap from those with a vested interest. They can't be right all the time, can they? (Except when they want to scare us even more).

**Through** · 28-Nov-09, 00:30

Originally Posted by redeyedtreefrog

Watch An Inconvenient truth, its got some good info. Search through some science websites, they'll have credible information.

Oh yes, the piece of work that earned a Noble Prize for nine scientific errors. It is now a worthless award.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/...2007/2288.html

**Stavro** · 28-Nov-09, 01:29

Originally Posted by Through

Oh yes, the piece of work that earned a Noble Prize for nine scientific errors. It is now a worthless award.

Albert Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" should be re-named, "A Convenient Lie."

**3of8** · 28-Nov-09, 19:49

Originally Posted by redeyedtreefrog

Watch An Inconvenient truth, its got some good info. Search through some science websites, they'll have credible information.

Yeah, right! More like a very convenient moneymaker.

Originally Posted by Rheghead

A warmer climate means more evaporation which means more rain, it doesn't really get any simpler than that.

Based on what evidence, Rheg? As you have said yourself...

Also, cherry-picking bits out of scientific papers to shore up a particular viewpoint is one of the most widely used tactics of climate change deniers in the blogosphere.

.... the same can be said of the believers.

Truth is no-one knows really do they? What we have had is climate-change promoters ramming so called facts down our throats left, right and bloody centre and now, if relevant newspaper reports are correct and to believed, we are to pay for the privilege of pumping carbon into the atmosphere in the form of yet more taxes.

However, the so called evidential climate change scientists have had their emails leaked suggesting that they were telling lies and manipulating the debate for their own ends, Indeed, any non believing academics were quite often denied funding grants for their own research as they didn't agree with current thinking on climate change. Hypocritical or what?

Harking back to George Brims earlier, a reasoned debate is now really impossible and, on the subject of the ozone layer, a hole is found over the Antarctic. How do we know that there hasn't always been a hole there? Only discovered after satellites found the damn thing. Therefore, why can't we reason that as we've had more than one ice age that the earth will get warmer and colder without our help? We can't, can we?

Are we that smug and superior though to think that the human race alone is solely responsible for what happens on this planet? To quote Shakespeare in Hamlet: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." I believe that rings true even more so today.

**Rheghead** · 28-Nov-09, 20:07

Originally Posted by 3of8

Harking back to George Brims earlier, a reasoned debate is now really impossible.

Scientific debates are of a different nature to socio-political debates, seeing that climate change is a scientific phenomenon and blogospheres can only deal with socio-political debates then I do share that sentiment.

Ultimately, we need to consult with the scientists who are researching this field directly if we are to get the proper picture on climate change. And we all know what they are saying in accordance with the IPCC.

There are too many 'political scientists' trying to grab the headlines with 'evidence' that disproves AGW, a lot of it is misrepresented scientific papers or even downright lies. Though some points may be valid which have made scientists to go back and reassess things.

I will suggest anyone to consult realclimate.org as their first port of call on climate change. They love debunking all that Great global warming swindle rubbish and such like.

I do recognise that most people are more accustomed to socio-political debating and science very often fails to get its point over to the public because of the trap of coming over in an esoteric fashion. Hence that is why interested groups who want to keep the public away from accepting anthropogenic global warming are already at the advantage.

**George Brims** · 25-Nov-09, 01:04

Originally Posted by Eagleclaw68

Its great that someone remembers me so there's my opinion on this issue.
<stuff snipped out>

It's a good thing you stated what followed that first sentence as your opinion. There was hardly anything accurate in what followed.

**rich** · 27-Nov-09, 16:42

The Copenagan conference will be underway early next month.
What would constitute a successful outcome?
Or, come to that, a lousy outcome?

**Each** · 27-Nov-09, 17:31

"The Great Global Warming Swindle" broadcast on Channel 4 a couple of years ago said it all.

Its all a conspiracy to fill the pockets of windmill manufacturers...

**Rheghead** · 27-Nov-09, 18:27

Originally Posted by Each

"The Great Global Warming Swindle" broadcast on Channel 4 a couple of years ago said it all.

Its all a conspiracy to fill the pockets of windmill manufacturers...

It would be easy to think that, in fact that was why that BS was made to make you think that way.

**Stavro** · 27-Nov-09, 19:42

Originally Posted by Rheghead

It would be easy to think that, ...

It would be easy to think that, because it is true.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8514

**Rheghead** · 27-Nov-09, 20:25

Originally Posted by Stavro

It would be easy to think that, because it is true.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8514

No it was total rubbish.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...7/03/swindled/

**hunter** · 28-Jan-10, 22:02

I don't think climate change has been proved beyond reasonable doubt. The planet's ecosystem is so complex I don't think anyone's brain is big enough to piece it all together exactly.

But vitrually every leader of every nation, based on the advice of their country's best scientific advisors, seems to think there's sufficient probability in the evidence to warrant action. I'm not inclined to argue with them.

Mankind has been pumping all sorts of rubbish into the environment since the industrial revolution in particular. I'm inclined to think it's not very healthy for the planet to treat it like a giant sewer.