Is the EU referendum just a giant sham

[tonkatojo]

That would appear to point out 7 complete mugs 1 or 2 about evens and 18 very happy "European" countries. Provided you believe the audit.

[theone]

That would appear to point out 7 complete mugs 1 or 2 about evens and 18 very happy "European" countries. Provided you believe the audit.

That would be the "outers" viewpoint.

The "inner" would say the country gets more through other means, trade etc, by being in the EU.

Whilst there's clear benefits for Germany, for example as a net exporter, in subsidising the rest of europe, I'd like to see some good arguments for and against the UK doing the same.

[tonkatojo]

That would be the "outers" viewpoint.

The "inner" would say the country gets more through other means, trade etc, by being in the EU.

Whilst there's clear benefits for Germany, for example as a net exporter, in subsidising the rest of Europe, I'd like to see some good arguments for and against the UK doing the same.

How about cutting out the club fees rules regulations and every one trades with one and other with no tariffs imposed each country standing on it's own merits.

[dozy]

I have a question and it's not if the EU referendum is a Sham or a Scam. Do you think DC is smarter than we give him credit for ,has he got both end fighting against the middle. Has he by deviding his party into Leave and Stay groups he's taken up both sides of the argument pushing Labour into standing with the Tories yet again. Which ever way the Labour Party went they were covered and sidelined. He's even won over some Scots with the stay vote and promise of a NO referendum . You've got to take you're hat of to a quality of the man as the best snake oil salesman in modern times. There's no need to sent warships to the Med ,Cameron can walk on water so just get him to part the seas as his next trick. He done the Lids and now Labour, what's in store for the SNP. It certainly won't be a explanation of the 341,000 pensioner postal votes in the referendum that were counted for the NO side but no such mumbers had signed up to the Scottish NHS or to the DWP or transferred details of a change of address to the Banks or other bodies and by the way the Electoral Commission agrees with theses findings.

[Rheghead]

I think if we leave the EU then we'd be leaving it up to the Conservative party to draw up legislation on worker's rights, fishing, agriculture etc etc. But ho hey, they'll give £350 million per week extra to the NHS like they've always wanted to do if it wasn't for the EU.

[dozy]

I think if we leave the EU then we'd be leaving it up to the Conservative party to draw up legislation on worker's rights, fishing, agriculture etc etc. But ho hey, they'll give £350 million per week extra to the NHS like they've always wanted to do if it wasn't for the EU.

i just find it strange that it's a one unionist party in house fight ,it makes no sense. The unionist state that if Scotland wanted Ref 2 they would have to get a huge number of folk to call for it ,but this fight they can change the rules to suit . I totally agree that Tory party are well known for saying one thing and doing you the dirty next. It's just a pity that Cameron is not on the Leave side but then again he's already knows who's going to win and he ain't Going to be on the losing camp. Funny thing is that the remain camp sounds the same as the NO camp in the Scottish referendum ,it's doom and gloom death and destruction . I can see the good and bad in both arguments, would we be having this referendum if we were still just the old Common market countries. It's seems that the dropping of the fence between us a the Baltic states and the ex Russian/ iron curtain countries have sparked the whole thing off. Here's hoping we all see the best in the folk that will vote in or out, shake it all about .Sorry