"We know who you are and we know where to find you!" I wonder when they will get round to putting cameras in our houses so they can check when we move from room to room and find who comes to visit us?
"Have you got your passport?" ~ well photo ID anyway ~ will soon be the shout before heading for the Orkney Show. Whatever next?
http://www.northlinkferries.co.uk/default.aspx.locid-00gnew3b5.Lang-EN.htm
"We know who you are and we know where to find you!" I wonder when they will get round to putting cameras in our houses so they can check when we move from room to room and find who comes to visit us?
Animals I like, people I tolerate.
Just go by the Gills or Groats one. Don't think they are doing this but maybe I wrong.
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Were I running Pentland Ferries and had just spent £10 million on a nice new boat that needed paying for, I'd think Northlink had arranged for my birthday and Christmas to fall all on the same day...... idiots.
I cannot see a problem with this, you have to produce photographic proof when boarding any Easy Jet, Ryan Air flights, and a much more restrictive selection of proof is asked by Easy Jet.
Last edited by golach; 16-Jan-08 at 21:02.
Once the original Grumpy Owld Man but alas no more
Think it`s a good thing, don`t want any undesirables coming into the county.
In fact thinking on it further, think i`ll start up a petition for cross county border checks, should help the unemployment figures.
And they have in common with Northlink, errrr.............?
What threat do Northlink claim to be combating? The massed ranks of the Orkney Taliban are indeed fearsome...... there is however, a suspicious lack of suicide bombing, car bombs, and even (whisper it soft) ethnic minorities of the sort generally associated with such outrages.
So now the only way of getting to and from Orkney, except for Pentland Ferries, involves having an ID check. Does no one else think that's a downright disgrace is this country which pretty much invented the concept of freedom - or at least laid down the principles of it in law?
I can see extended loading times, arguments and unpleasantness over forgotten ID, or unsuitable ID. I can see huge problems because there are many, many people here of all ages who don't have a passport or photocard driver's licence. And I can see people like me who won't be using Northlink again........ because I have a choice.
You need photo ID to go to on a domestic flight to Orkney.
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
By 'eck, no kidding? Nice to see you've not lost your gift for statements of the bleedin' obvious.... Let's apply a little intelligence, instead of a crude comparison:
Flights are affected by Control Orders from the Government. Whether they do any good or not is highly debatable. Aberdeen or Edinburgh airport are much bigger and more difficult to control than Scrabster or Stromness; they have multiple passenger origins and multiple destinations; you can't easily segregate Orkney or Shetland passengers for different treatment, especially if they're flying onwards.
Northlink sails between remote destinations and in fact, it's a closed system. You can't enter it from, say Syria, without having got through UK border security first. Home-grown terrorists might, I suppose, want to blow up a few islanders but then I'd ask how Northlink have assessed the threat?
Ferry companies are essentially different; the risks are different and the control environment is different. The fact that people checking in for flights need ID just means that they go by boat instead, where it's an issue. Northlink, on its own "authority" seems to me to have little right to restrict people's right to travel.
People, on the other hand, have the right to vote with their wallets, and I hope people will choose Pentland Ferries in future!
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
Gee whiz, yes. Or they could sail their small boat to avoid the sniffer dogs which are often in use in Shetland and have been used in Orkney.
We'd need to be careful of Venusians too - having landed their flying saucers in North Ronaldsay, they come in to Kirkwall by the Orkney Fairies service, then get the Northlink boat to go south to try to find our leaders.
Happens all the time. Not an issue for the most part; I imagine they'll continue to use Pentland Ferries and so not get ID checked at all.
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
Excuse me Jabber, Nothlink carry passengers!!!! Thats what they have in common.
Where does it say only passport or photcard driver's licence are to be the only form of identification for Northlink? There are many forms of identification that are to be accepted.
I and many thousands of Senior Citizens in Scotland travel on buses each day in Scotland, and we are asked to show photographic ID. Thousands of bus travellers on Lothian Buses and bus companies all over the UK, all have photographic ID (their season tickets), do they or the Senior Citizens create a fuss?............ I think thou doth protest too much Jabber
Once the original Grumpy Owld Man but alas no more
They do anyway. Not one single solitary immigration control officer for miles and miles. Whaligoe Steps, anyone?
There's the issue of imposing "security" sufficient to stop people being able to get in and out of the country. How draconian do you want it to be? Like East Germany used to be? Shoot to kill policies? Barbed wire?
Photo ID?
Oh woops.......
True, golach. But that's to miss the point that there's a single, closed transport loop for their services, unlike Aberdeen or Edinburgh airports. Might as well have the local taxi firm insist on photo ID before they carry you.
Here, for a start, and Radio Orkney also.Where does it say only passport or photcard driver's licence are to be the only form of identification for Northlink? There are many forms of identification that are to be accepted.
Yeah, that's because you're a suspicious-looking bunch. Especially you !I and many thousands of Senior Citizens in Scotland travel on buses each day in Scotland, and we are asked to show photographic ID.
Seriously, yes, you do produce photo ID, but that's because your card has some sort of value to someone who finds it in the street, if it can't be associated with you as an individual. The real issue with photo id is whether people take any notice; one bank trialled photo id on their cheque card / debit card a few years ago. It was going to reduce fraud at a stroke!
As a control, a batch of cards showing a baboon's head and shoulders were produced and sent out with mystery shoppers. Not a one was picked up by shop assistants - they saw the photo, but didn't LOOK at it. In other words, it becomes a box-tick rather than exercising common sense.
http://www.northlinkferries.co.uk/de...b5.Lang-EN.htm
Go straight to the horses mouth Jabber, and you will get the truth, don't believe every thing you read in hick papers
Once the original Grumpy Owld Man but alas no more
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