was the SPRAY the only wick boat that was comissioned by the admirality during the war . she was based in stromness as an examanition boat or some thing tony ???
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was the SPRAY the only wick boat that was comissioned by the admirality during the war . she was based in stromness as an examanition boat or some thing tony ???
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No Tony the Girl Mina was taken in as well She was used in Scapa but spent most of the war around Oban
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Absolutely fascinating thread .
I too come from a fishing port and fortunately a local family have kept a record of the boats and crews in words,documents,photos and films, this has now been attached to the town website and sure had me off down memory lane.
I wonder if at some point Wick Heritage Centre might be able to do a similiar excercise or if that is some thing already in hand having perused their fabulous photo collection.
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TBH yes
Harvester WK33 Skipper Cowie built 1929 Noble Fraserburgh sold to Swansea 1967
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Another one that went on war service was the Golden West WK396 but she didnt come back to Wick but went to Shetland after WW2 due to the death of the skipper David MillerOriginally Posted by Tighsonas4
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peter was not one of the jeannie mackays[helmsdale] bought here in wick
there was one and two ??? tony
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Tony
Yes the Jeanie MacKay 3 was sold to Alister Henderson and Bill Wiseman and became the Stack Rock .She was built by Thomson of Buckie for John (Pow) MacKay and others of Helmsdale in 1948
Jeannie MacKay 2 was LOA 54 ft keel 49ft Beam 16.5 Draft 6.8ft 27.26 Tons Gross and Nett Built for Helmsdale 11/7/1938 Buckie She was sold to Robert Andrew Coffey of Portavogie in 1948 Skipper was John Mackay
The Jeannie MacKay 1 ...dont know !!!! but Ill make an enquiry
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Silver Star WK357 sk W Jappy
Silver Cloud WK147 sk T Jappy
Bunillidh Braes WK350 sk David Cowie
Branch Wk294 sk Ian Innes
Girl Kathleen WK 93 sk Ian Innes
Mysotis WK 190 sk D Cowie
Bunillidh WK96 sk David Cowie
Stella Maris WK142 sk David Cowie
Reliance WK79 sk Ian Whitehead
Ocean Hunter WK79 sk Ian Whitehead
Jeannie MacKay2 WK316 sk John MacKay
Jeannie MacKay 3 WK197 sk John MacKay
Stroma Isle WK408 sk Innes
Home Cliffe 2 WK 349 sk Innes
Milburn Wk142 sk D Cowie
Dewy Rose WK15 sk J MacKay
Sunbeam WK213 sk John MacKay
Sheena MacKay WK168 sk T Jappy
Seafarer INS 41 sk J Innes
Lea Rig WK 331 sk H Innes
Harvest Moon WK341 sk W Innes
Home Cliffe WK 228 sk A Innes
StrathDonan Wk111 sk A Sutherland
Celtic Dawn WK10 sk Robert Mackay
Zepher FR 444 sk Ian Whitehead
Glen Alvah INS302 sk M Innes
Golden Isle SY 809 sk W Innes
Happy Return WK130 sk A Sutherland
Harvest Home LK92 Sk WJ Innes
Some but not all by any means Helmsdale boats
I also forgot about the Morina WK196 that Charlie Mackenzie had in Wick
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Well Done there Peter, John Mackay also had a boat named JLC Mackay but Im not sure of her numbers his brother Neil also had a boat but cant remember what it was called? John had a few boats with the Last one being the Jeannie Mackay III WK.197 which was bought by the Wisemans & she was the last of the old Herring Queen winners in 1953. there is a picture of her on this site , I have the original though
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Some old Keiss seine net boats which worked from Keiss
Lupin WK99 sk Miller
Alexanderina WK361 sk Munro
Alert WK119 sk More
Loyalty WK300 sk McKenzie
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Amy the JL and C MacKay WK112 was built in MacDuff in 1931 Owners were James,Angus,Neil and John MacKay LOA 41ft Keel 35ft Beam 14.2 ft Draft 5.5 ft 14.48 Tonns Gross and Nett Skippers given as John and Neil Mackay She was sold to Alex Sutherland of Brora and renamed Jan El Mar and then was sold to Lerwick in March 1962Well Done there Peter, John Mackay also had a boat named JLC Mackay but Im not sure of her numbers his brother Neil also had a boat but cant remember what it was called? John had a few boats with the Last one being the Jeannie Mackay III WK.197 which was bought by the Wisemans & she was the last of the old Herring Queen winners in 1953. there is a picture of her on this site , I have the original though
Hope this helps
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yes that will be it peter bill wiseman was from the east coast but was nums brother in law
wiseman was sea sick every monday morning when they left the key heads and that was it over for the week
you must have somme almanac years ago i seem to mind a moores almanacbut think it was for tides moon etc which they had to go by in olden times
they used to say high water in wick was 12 o clock full and change and that coincided with portsmouth or there abouts tony
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Tony Yes Ive a couple of Olsens almanacs but I have a lot of bitties of paper Ive written down over the years (which I need to get sorted out) and get bits from the internet as well . If I mind right Bill Wiseman came from Gamrie and as you say he was Roberts brother in law ,along with Archie Miller that had the Spindrift (on Megs side)
Walters Juicy Medicine :-)))))
Thats what putting this stuff on here is for Tony Its not a lot of use lying in a drawer in here !!!! I wonder how many pictures of boats in Caithness are lying in biscuit tins below beds ??
All best and thanks for the rep
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hi peter forgot to say have given you a rep beforebut what you have set up here deserves a medal
you would be surprised at the yarns this has stirred up amongst non orgers
there was a handline boat in staxgioe the wjm, this was supposed to be
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Tony Yes there was also a Jeannie MacKay ...............(one)
She was WK316 built in MacDuff in 1927 LOA 37 ft Keel 33 ft Beam 12.3 ft Draft 4.1 ft
8.53 Tonns Gross and Nett She came to the MacKay brothers of Helmsdale 15/8/1927 and was sold to Golspie owners 3/5/1932 She then was sold to Peterhead 13/2/1933 I think she was used for cod nets lines and herring as there is no mention of a seine net winch in her
Jeannie MacKay 2 was LOA 54 ft keel 49ft Beam 16.5 Draft 6.8ft 27.26 Tons Gross and Nett Built for Helmsdale 11/7/1938 in Buckie She was sold to Robert Andrew Coffey of Portavogie in 1948 Skipper was John Mackay
Jeanie MacKay 3 WK197 was sold to Alister Henderson and Bill Wiseman and became the Stack Rock .She was built by Thomson of Buckie for John (Pow) MacKay and others of Helmsdale in 1948
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Peter, I have a wee bit of information on the Jeannie Mackay II for you, the chap said she was commandeered by the Navy during WWII.
He said she remained in British waters during the war. However, Angus and John Mackay (pow) got another boat to replace her after she was commandeered.
This boat was called Joey Mackay. I have never seen any photos of her or don`t know what size she was. The only thing I know is she was also commandeered because she had a Gardner engine.
She was the boat that went to South Africa and being in tropical waters her hull was so badly attacked by teredo worm that it was not safe or viable to bring her home.
When she was commandeered Angus and John got a 40ft boat with a 44hp Kelvin engine, called Hazel. I can remember her well and she was also very successful.
When Jeannie Mackay II returned after the war the Hazel was sold by a public auction held on the pier in Helmsdale and was bought by a man Garden from Cullen who worked her out of Aberdeen until he retired.
In those days there was a 3 mile limit for seine netting except for boats under a certain size were allowed to fish in Aberdeen bay and this is where she worked and was still going strong when I was at collegein 1965.
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Amy The Joey MacKay WK197 was originally called the Janet in Wick She became Joey Mackay on 5/9/40 when she was sold to Helmsdale She was built in MacDuff in 1932 and was sold to JS Duncan and Mrs M Campbell of Wick on 19/1/1937 Alex Miller skippered her She sold was to Thurso on 14/1/1039 where David Thomson was skipper/owner and then as I say to Helmsdale to Messers J,T and J MacKay with John MacKay as skipper
She went on war service 12/4/1943 LOA 40 ft Keel 34.5 ft Beam 13.9 ft Draft 4.7 ft 11.76 Tons Gross and Nett
The Hazel WK171 was built in 1933 at Hopeman She came in to Helmsdale owners as above on 28/5/1942 having been registered PD230 She was sold exactly as you say to Cullen on 17/7/1946 LOA 39.6 ft Keel 35 ft Beam 13 ft Draft 5,2 ft 12.05 Tons Gross and Nett
There was a lot of small seiners/herring boats in Helmsdale in the 30s/40s Launch Out Highdale HomeCliffe etc
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Economy was owned by TD More and was skippered for a short time by George Sinclair but mostly by George Thain She came up from Pittenweem as KY 28 on arrival 10/6/1955 Built in 1927 at MacDuff LOA 54.5 ft Beam 16ft Draft 6.3 ft 24.72 Tons Gross and Nett
Her registry was cancelled 11/12/1959 but she was unused/broken up in 1957 (according to the owner)
Tony I have the details of the Mizpah ,,,,,just cant find them in this mess of paper!!!
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Thanks for that Peter, Im told that the Jeannie Mackay III & 5 other boats are the vessels that pioneered Clash & Lochinver. This is definatley the best thread weve ever had on .org imo , thanks for contributing so much to it Peter
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