What Industries Services should be Nationalised?

[John Little]

Well I know lots of people who should be very rich indeed then! But they ain't!

[ducati]

Well I know lots of people who should be very rich indeed then! But they ain't!

You mean they wasted their education?

[John Little]

You mean they wasted their education?

Depends how you look at it. All those teachers, nurses, social workers, cops, firemen etc with degrees. Seems to me they do a job but it ain't ever going to make them rich. All the education in the world does not make you rich because this is no meritocracy.

You want to be rich in our society then you must have a barrow boy mentality or a prodigious natural talent.

You can slave all your life but if the kid next door can kick a ball then he don't need no education.... he don't need no thought control...

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If we want nationalised industry then we ALL need to pay for them. Taxation for ordinary people will have to go up too, however if we have an electricity industry for example that does not have to pay dividends to share holders and is not driven to make massive profits then we all benefit. Prices come down, businesses benefit and homes benefit. Given the p

[ducati]

Depends how you look at it. All those teachers, nurses, social workers, cops, firemen etc with degrees. Seems to me they do a job but it ain't ever going to make them rich. All the education in the world does not make you rich because this is no meritocracy.

You want to be rich in our society then you must have a barrow boy mentality or a prodigious natural talent.

You can slave all your life but if the kid next door can kick a ball then he don't need no education.... he don't need no thought control...

I would say that an education gives you choices. If you choose a career that will never make you rich despite your education, then that is a calling.
BTW you will find a great number of Firefighters have a second career in an attempt to get rich, or at least get a decent standard of living.
But the fact remains, you will be very hard pressed to find an Oxford Graduate who hasn't done well. You might blame the old school network but you still have to get to Oxford. (for example).

[John Little]

Given the P?

[weezer 316]

If we want nationalised industry then we ALL need to pay for them. Taxation for ordinary people will have to go up too, however if we have an electricity industry for example that does not have to pay dividends to share holders and is not driven to make massive profits then we all benefit. Prices come down, businesses benefit and homes benefit. Given the p

!?!!?!?!

If I had a hat I would eat it.

Can I ask what you would do given a situation where the wholesale price of electricity goes up say 50%, and we had to source from overseas to ensure the lights dont go out? Do you raise taxes to accomodate or pull cash from say the NHS or the Army?

And I wont even ask what you would do when things need repaired, and when the people you phone to complain about your bill ask for a pay rise....oops I just did.

[ducati]

Given the P?

P? You mean the upfront funding you are given and will never have to pay back if you choose a calling?

[John Little]

I would say that an education gives you choices. If you choose a career that will never make you rich despite your education, then that is a calling....
But the fact remains, you will be very hard pressed to find an Oxford Graduate who hasn't done well.

No I wouldn't! Got one on my Facebook friends right now - and rich she ain't - IQ of 165 or not so Nyah - Nyah!

She is, however, doing what she wants to do in the full knowledge that money is not everything.
And that 'doing well' ain't necessarily figured in £ s d.

[John Little]

P? You mean the upfront funding you are given and will never have to pay back if you choose a calling?

You mean the money that enlightened states pay to educate the technical class they need to run things?

[ducati]

No I wouldn't! Got one on my Facebook friends right now - and rich she ain't - IQ of 165 or not so Nyah - Nyah!

She is, however, doing what she wants to do in the full knowledge that money is not everything.
And that 'doing well' ain't necessarily figured in £ s d.

Well thats the point isnt it? Choices, would she have those same choices had she graduated from a secondary modern school with an O'level?

And at this point we probably should define rich. Lives on a council estate in Peckham does she?

[ducati]

You mean the money that enlightened states pay to educate the technical class they need to run things?

Yes, and then they get to pay it back if they do well as a result.

[John Little]

Now you're changing the argument. You've gone from holding that education equals riches to it being a matter of choice.

Secondary school with one o level? Don't know. Some of our richest people do not seem to have had much formal education.

[ducati]

Now you're changing the argument. You've gone from holding that education equals riches to it being a matter of choice.

Secondary school with one o level? Don't know. Some of our richest people do not seem to have had much formal education.

Well it never struck me until you mentioned it that, given the choice, some people would choose not to be rich.

Actually checking back you sidetracked me. The point I was, ineptly, making was if you took away the opportunity to become wealthy, then that would remove the motivation from the populace (In many cases).

[John Little]

Well it never struck me until you mentioned it that, given the choice, some people would choose not to be rich.

Actually checking back you sidetracked me. The point I was, ineptly, making was if you took away the opportunity to become wealthy, then that would remove the motivation from the populace (In many cases).

Ah - well now I cannot agree. If you read that stuff on the John Lewis Partnership it is quite illuminating. Employees at John Lewis are not called such but 'partners'. They receive pay but share in the profits of the company with a share dividend at the end of the year. Their Chief exec gets £500,000 a year plus a share of profits. Apparently some years ago they put it to the vote that the company should demutualise and float on the stock exchange. Partners would have got about £100,000 each - but the vote went heavily against demutualisation. They knew a good thing when they saw it and a one off payment that dissolves such a lucrative and beneficial enterprise was rejected.

You see you can be Capitalist without being Socialist, or Tory and get a fairer society out of it.

Anyway - don't you believe in altruism at all?

[ducati]

Ah - well now I cannot agree. If you read that stuff on the John Lewis Partnership it is quite illuminating. Employees at John Lewis are not called such but 'partners'. They receive pay but share in the profits of the company with a share dividend at the end of the year. Their Chief exec gets £500,000 a year plus a share of profits. Apparently some years ago they put it to the vote that the company should demutualise and float on the stock exchange. Partners would have got about £100,000 each - but the vote went heavily against demutualisation. They knew a good thing when they saw it and a one off payment that dissolves such a lucrative and beneficial enterprise was rejected.

You see you can be Capitalist without being Socialist, or Tory and get a fairer society out of it.

Anyway - don't you believe in altruism at all?

I'd be more convinced by that argument if the CEO of JLP earned £6.40 an hour. Talk about some being more equal than others

I believe we have a comparatively fair society, go and live in maybe 70% (made up percentage) of the recognised countries in the world. See what happens in Ethiopia or Somalia if you lose your livelihood for instance.


I was brought up to work hard and strive to provide the best I could for my family. And as someone of limited academic ability I've done my best. It wasn't always good enough, I've tried to make a living in Business through two previous recessions and I can't remember anyone ever say "oh isn't the economic situation great just now". Anyway, rambling aside' you won't convince me I wasted my time. (please don't try).

[John Little]

"I'd be more convinced by that argument if the CEO of JLP earned £6.40 an hour. Talk about some being more equal than others "

You'd remove differentials?

You are no Tory - you are far to the left of me!

[tonkatojo]

"I'd be more convinced by that argument if the CEO of JLP earned £6.40 an hour. Talk about some being more equal than others "

You'd remove differentials?

You are no Tory - you are far to the left of me!

How easily deceived, he's true blue for sure.

[John Little]

How easily deceived, he's true blue for sure.

Not really - he has some surprising views and not traditionally Tory. He's far too nice to be a real true Blue.

[tonkatojo]

Not really - he has some surprising views and not traditionally Tory. He's far too nice to be a real true Blue.

Perhaps he is not quite like his heroine and in some of his views he "is for turning". LOL