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Gosh, I think the only Common Sense is coming frae that Orkneyman!
You should all listen to The Voice of common sense!
HEAR YE/ HEAR YE!
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Steady now Horseman.......
Contrary to the popular saying, it appears easy to soar like an eagle, when you are surrounded by turkeys......
Unfortunately, the conversation in this part of the forum is largely driven by sock puppets, with a very divisive agenda. Against a backdrop of endless divisive postings, anything looks sensible.
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Those of us who are proud separatists have "...a very divisive agenda.", or so the Daily Mail's man in the far north says. Unfortunately for him, our agenda seems to be gaining considerable traction within the Scottish electorate.
The latest summary of polling evidence from Electoral Calculus indicates that if there were to be an election now the SNP would win 58 out of the 59 seats in Scotland. It appears that against a backdrop of endless broken promises by Unionist parties the Scottish people have had enough of being part of this disunited kingdom.
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I concur! Beeg wordy for them!Originally Posted by orkneycadian
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It isn't really us with the divisive agenda, though, is it? It is the UK Tory government which has that. We will just take advantage of it if we can. What is more divisive than two constituent parts of the UK voting to stay in the EU...and only one of them being allowed to? What is more divisive than Westminster being prepared to reduce all our food standards, food labelling, geographic branding etc and sell off our NHS (and any other of the few public services we still own outright) in order to get a trade deal with the USA? What is more divisive than England, via its built-in Parliamentary majority, deciding that it will use Henry VIII powers to impose acceptance of all they say on trade post Brexit without even discussing it with the devolved governments? What is more divisive than any or all devolved Governments saying "No thanks! That doesn't work for us..let's talk about it!" and the UK government saying.."Tough..just suck it up, buttercup...we have decided and that is what is going to happen!"
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Just read what the Scottish Leader said today!
Perhaps those who are so outspoken should take some advice!
And ‘Henri #8’ is long gone.
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What a bl**dy hypocrite the man from Orkney is!
He goes on and on about open borders being the root of our Covid infection rate and demands that we place controls on who can get into the UK. Then, when one country in the UK says that it may do exactly as he wants he is up in arms about it.
Your average BritNat has held a variety of views on the subject in recent years:
Indy Ref 1 - Borders are a bad thing. We should not put in place barriers to trade and free movement of people.
Brexit - We must regain control of our borders. Borders are a good thing. We must restrict immigration and keep johnny foreigner out.
UK Covid 19 - Borders are needed to help curtail the spread of the virus. Borders are a very good thing.
Scottish Covid19 - We cannot have borders within the UK. Borders are a very bad thing.
For the love of God make up your minds about what you want; apart from having your cake and eating it that is.
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The future is looking even darker this morning.
Stuart Campbell has just posted this on his website - https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-land-of-mystery/
In the past I have half-jokingly referred to HMG as the English Government. Today ministers in that government have indicated the following policy initiative which tends to prove that very often jokes imitate real events.
"Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are set to be handed powers in areas such as air quality and animal welfare currently regulated at EU level. But in a bid to protect cross-border trade, they will have to recognise standards drawn up elsewhere in the UK.
Where do you think this "..elsewhere in the UK.", might be? Re-write the quote as follows and the reality hits you square in the face.
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are set to be handed powers in areas such as air quality and animal welfare currently regulated at EU level. But in a bid to protect cross-border trade, they will have to recognise standards drawn up in England.
As predicted, the power grab is underway - http://forum.caithness.org/showthrea...be-very-afraid
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So much for the UK being a Union of any description, far less one with equal partners...it is just an 'elected by English voters' dictatorship. In a real democratic Union, like the EU, for example, there would be much debating and perhaps some compromising on standards...and not just the biggest country laying down the law and the others just having to suck it up...because the other countries in the EU have the option of just getting up and leaving, without asking permission.
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Nail hit squarely on the head there. It might be worth re-posting Boris Johnson's thoughts on the matter:-
“We have an England-only parliament. It’s Westminster.” Boris Johnson, 30th June 2019
It's fairly clear that Scotland's views don't count for much in Westminster. When we ask for something the majority want (IndyRef2) they just keep saying "No".
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.Orger
Equal partners? You are one tenth Of the The UK.
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Interesting choice of words there. "You are one tenth of the UK". Exactly the sort of language the English government uses. What happened to the first person plural personal pronoun, "we"? Only gets used when politically expedient - "we are all in this together"; "we are better together"; "we are a Union of equals", etc, etc. The minute it doesn't suit it changes back to "you" as in, "you will do what you are told"; "you will get what we give you"; "you don't count", etc, etc.
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Cheeze WHIZZZZZZ....
WE are one tenth of the UK! No wonder there are probs in this World. PICKY/PICKY.
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Sorry, I disagree. Words are extremely powerful weapons - the pen is mightier than the sword, and all that.
Being a Trump fan I take it you have heard of the phrase "dog whistle politics". He uses it to great effect. I found the following definition:
"It's political shorthand for a phrase that may sound innocuous to some people, but which also communicates something more insidious either to a subset of the audience or outside of the audience’s conscious awareness...".
Politicians choose their words very carefully. They know the impact a well worded phrase can have both on their supporters and opponents. The use of the word "you" instead of "we" is a classic example of this phenomenon. On first glance it is innocuous. However, it can send a very strong message about the nature of the relationship between two parties as I tried to show above.
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Fortunately, not a product we are blighted with here in the UK! I gather you may however have to endure it over there in Canada. My sympathies..... Over here we use real cheese.
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And America has Chlorinated Chicken.....I think we do also!
Safe they say. Just ‘don’t give a Cluck’!
Ohhhhhh....A Trump Fan! Not really, but someone has to do something about the mess the World is in. And his ‘Mither wis a SCOT!
You may not agree, but Prez Trump is no worse than his Predecessors.
Stop watching the Liberal paid for News....CNN........Every day anti Trump garbage!
I thot the Scottish people were more aware of ‘fake news’!
Do u think Boris is emulating him! Smart man!
That will give you all food for thought and analysis! Ty........
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.Orger
Well, as they say, if Trump is the answer then it must have been a bl**dy silly question. The notion that he is doing something about the mess the world is in is utterly ludicrous. He has been unable to get his own house in order and is actually one of the main reasons the world is in such a mess. Have you any idea how reviled the man is in the wider world? He is one of the greatest threats to the planet that there has ever been. He is a climate change denier; a wormonger; a racist; a Covid 19 under-estimator; a gun supporter and an inveterate liar who considers himself an expert on everything. Others, I am sure, could add to the list. He is actually a heck of a lot worse than many of his predecessors, which given the standards they set, is some feat.
Boris is just doing what Trump and the US Administration is telling him to do. The Huawei scandal is just the latest in a long list of examples of the UK clinging to America's coat tails. Just watch; the coming months will show just how much control the US is going to have over our lives as the UK sells its soul for a transatlantic trade deal.
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Over here, they even put chlorine in our water. But none in the chicken. As a result, we get lots of chicken related food poisoning events each year.
Fortunately, at least some of us here in Scotland are aware of Fake News - And usually, we manage to completely ignore it. But there are some that fall for it, day in, day out. For example, the ones that believe that all deaths involving coronavirus are deaths due to coronavirus. They also think that the world will be saved by farcemasks.
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Nobody believes that the world will be saved by face masks and no one on here has ever said so either.
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