Reply With QuoteWell, I've just watched the programme. Danny is a plank - and it ain't because he's on benefits .....
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Touchy subject here, when myself and my now hubby found out we were expecting I had just left college and was looking for work and hubby was a full time carer for a relative, we moved into a 1 bedroom council house as we could not afford the rent or price to buy a property for ourselves, my hubby searched and searched for work applying to many but to no avail, after around a year and a half we struck lucky and hubby found work, we had had mold problems + over crowding issues in our 1 bedroom house which the council didnt want to resolve, so pretty much as soon as we had a good income coming in we moved into a private rent, we found out we were expecting again that year and were elated as hubby was working, unfortunately the job ended a month before our LO was born, hubby immediately started hunting for work as soon as he fineshed the previous! But again the jobs were few and far between, in this time we had to go on benefits to support us, after 6 months work came up and hubby worked for 2 weeks with them before the site was shut down so due to this we had to get put back on benefits, then 2 weeks later hubby was back in work and traveled away for it, sadly this job only lasted 6 weeks and after which hubby never got paid so for a further 6 weeks my family of 4 lived on the small amount of savings we had, due to hubby being in and out of work so often it put us in a horriable situation then the fact that hubbys boss didnt pay him just made an already bad situation worse, we went back onto benefits and now hubby has been signed off work due to scoliosis of the spine although he is still searching for work against the advise of his doctor who told him he would be entitled to disability living allowance! He could be like others and reap the benefits and disability allowance! But hes not!!! We even spent thousands of our own money paying for qualifications to try and get him work! Some people do choose to stay on benefits but not all, I truely am sick of being thrown into a big heap of people being bullied for being on benefits!!! You know they are on them but you dont know the story behind why!!
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Well, I've just watched the programme. Danny is a plank - and it ain't because he's on benefits .....
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Some serious reactions to that show now. death threats and all!
http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/benefits-stre...135207962.html
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you are quite obviously not on the heap with the cheats being discussed here. as you, as a couple were actively seeking work, and taking what came along. if your husband is genuinely entitled to disability living allowance, then he should take it! being unemployed, hard up, fallen on hard times, being depressed or disabled , etc does not make you a waster! being a waster does that!Originally Posted by baileys Bhoy
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Thank you Mrs Bradey, I just feel tarnished whilst seeing a post like this one appear on the org, we genuinely would prefer to be working and as a mother to two young children I really dont have the time at the minute but I fully intend to take a job as soon as my youngest is in school, even if its only for a couple of hours whilst they are not around. Hubby has been given an opportunity of more work now so fingers crossed all goes well. To those who are scrounging, you should be ashamed of yourselves, there are a lot of hard working folk paying for your children and lifestyle! So maybe there should be some way for you to repay us, hubby and I always joke that the bin men, street cleaners etc should all be jobs for people on job seekers, that way they are working for there money! Not a bad idea in my opinion!
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Although I sympathise with your present predicament, I do not understand you throwing brickbats at bin men and street cleaners. those are not jobs for shirkers, shame on you.
Once the original Grumpy Owld Man but alas no more
1K.Orger
Whilst I get the idea of doing something in return for benefits not sure why you would target bin collectors and street cleaners jobs as being the answer, they are really good jobs to have, probably why you don't see them advertised much, as folk tend to hold onto a good job like that.
I don't think the solution is a one size fits either, yes there will always be shirkers but there is also a lot of people on benefits really trying hard to find work although I reckon a lot of people need to look at their job seeking strategies and be taught the right skills to find work these days.
Also the whole job seeking agreement seems to be becoming a joke with people firing off CV's and emails randomly just to fill in their universal job match.
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sorry golach and sweatpea, it wasnt ment the way it sounded, I was putting across the point that there wouldnt be much training required, it would kind of be a "walk in job" as training would be needed for many other jobs no doubt being paid for by the tax payer, I know many people that go on offered courses to "keep the jobcentre happy" they have no intention of using the new qualifaction to find work! My hubby asked for funding towards (not even the full amount) getting his required tickets, a covering letter was given by a prospective employer that had offered the work as long as hubby had the tickets, the jobcenter declined! As a result the job went to someone else! We have now payed for it out of the little savings we have/had! Its difficult to live on benefits and if we had the choise we would work or even work to get our benefit payments!
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I would be more interested in seeing a documentary of the top tax evading companies directors and the lovely luxury lifestyles they lead.......costing this country a hell of a lot more than benefit cheats,
the comment about bin men and street sweepers was pretty indicative of snobbery or just idiocy , these are worthwhile jobs and i'm pretty sure they get paid more than a nursery assistant or carer, you have already judged these people as worthless, not worth training into something productive and rewarding, it's attitudes like that these people face all their lives, they are probably up to their eyes in debt with payday loans, the media are manipulating these people, i don't condone the sense of entitlement that some seem to have, but tarring all people on benefits with the same brush isn't fair.
The statement about you had to pay for your partners own training out your own pocket because the job center refused you....how is that any different wanting something for nothing? My daughter is at college and will be paying all her student loans off to gain her education....she isn't asking the government for money, she has just turned 18. You had savings so why would you not use these to improve your job prospects. You are lucky you can save, I work and I can hardly afford to heat my house! I am a single parent and i worked with two young children and received no maintenance payments, it is your choice not to work and for you to be looking down your nose at other people is a bit harsh and hypocritical.
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There is the employability fund, which offers training in employability skills, work experience and a training allowance of £55 per week , bus fares over £3 per week are also refunded, this is available for all ages not working from 16+ , there is also activity agreements for 16 - 19 year olds to help them access training and build skills to make them more employable, so yes there is plenty of things to be doing if people actually look
And what is wrong with working in McD's or packing shelves.....why do people continually put jobs down as or pointless or worthless, "oh your a dole bum, your worthless" "oh you work in mcD's your worthless" make up your minds.....surely doing something, anything productive that benefits your community is worthwhile, who says that staking shelves i tesco won't lead to a store managers position later on, and MacDonalds have a really good managment scheme, so stop putting people who do these jobs down, they are just like you and me and trying to do something , who are you to judge their job as worthless?
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That's a shame about the training. I reckon funding information should be made more public as there are a number of funds that can be accessed but the information about them or how to access them is not put out there for public consumption, that would be a job for someone to collate it all and put it out using social media or something and offer free help to people to navigate these things! plus having heard similar tales like yours it probably doesn't help that there is a certain amount of adviser discretion shall I call it (if your face fits). Hope your hubby gets sorted now, but by the grace of God and all that I've never had to sign on but that is only by pure luck of the generation I am as jobs have always seemed to be aplenty when I've needed one plus I was lucky enough to be brought up with a strong work ethic whereas now it's the more and more common to see generations of families who haven't worked.
1K.Orger
Well said!
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Yes, but what we all want to know is: how big's your telly?
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Without defining the actual positions, there are plenty opportunities for employment that could be filled on a temporary basis by those seeking benefits. As posted above, these would be jobs where little or no training is required. Other countries manage to do this, so why not us? Instead, our terminally unemployable have no qualms about sitting back and seeing the work go to harder working immigrants.
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As stated in my apology post the comment about bin men etc wasnt said as an insult, a dear friend of mine is a bin man and he also agrees that people on jsa should get into work to pay for there benefits! He was the one who got me thinking about the training side of the argument..... who will pay for it!? I am certinly no "snob" I have debt including an amount owed to my parents! The only reason we had any savings at all was because hubby earned £47000 in 2012, with this we payed off a lot of debts icluding our student loans from while we had been on benefits! We also payed the £4000 for the tickets! So yes i suppose we have been quite lucky! But hubby worked long hours to get there! Even when hubby is working we never go out, we dont drink or smoke, our children have what they need not what they want! All in all we asked for help because we had been told that the job center would maybe be able to help if there was a job to be had at the end, we were only asking for money towards not the full amount.... the work my hubby has found and has been working for was found by looking himself and companies seeing his C.V online, not through help from the jobcenter!
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There is also the point of work ethics ,I have worked from the age of thirteen to earn my money as we never got pocket money when young. I have worked all my life barr two weeks I was made redundant and when i went to sign on I was embarrassed to sign on .I think folk need to take pride in working for there money .benefits are there to help you when your out of work not a way of life (my friends said that quote) .I once heard a customer call benefits wages omg wages are worked for .stop blaming the government because folk are to bloody lazy to go out and earn living
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agree fully with you there, if they make doing time HARD, really hard , if they dont like it then they wont want to go there.
and as for human right s , in my opinion they gave up their right to that when they landed in jail.
about time we were allowed to set our own rules instead of those fools in Brussels ruling us.
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There are people that are on benefits due to change of circumstance that are outwith their own control by job loss or ill health but there are others who are just pure lazy gits and dont want to earn or couldnt possibly work for someone else, so ust dont bother as it is too easy to let the rest of the state pay for their lazy hides being sat on a sofa swigging beer playing computer games, its them that should be targeted not the genuine people.
1K.Orger
. This is the problem though, people are only too happy to tar everyone with the same brush,when there are genuine people on job seekers who want to find work! Making people work for their benefits worn work,all it will do us get these who do want to work have to do these menial jobs whilst the dole bludgers will come up with yet more creative ways to ensure they don't have to work,some people have never and never gave any intention of doing anything but claim,it's sad as it names the genuine ones suffer badly while the work shy walk away Scott free yet again x
The nice thing about living in a small place is that if you dont know what you are doing....there's always somebody who does,or thinks they do!x
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Well said!!!
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