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**Alan16** · 01-Feb-10, 23:15

Originally Posted by Stavro

Well, then, you run off and continue to be spoon fed.

I'm currently doing classical & quantum physics, as well as numerous astronomy related topics. You surely understand that there isn't much room for improvisation there, or perhaps you think I should be arguing against Isaac Newton and Max Planck? The fact that they're both dead is just one of the many reasons I will not be doing this.

Originally Posted by Stavro

The "explanation" was from MIT. I better give you time to read up on it, since you are clearly incapable of reasoning for yourself.

If you think that you have genuine scientific proof that the whole thing was a conspiracy, then let's see it.

**Stavro** · 01-Feb-10, 23:16

Originally Posted by golach

Sighs..........Here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You willingly blind, too, golach?

**Alan16** · 01-Feb-10, 23:17

Originally Posted by roadbowler

alan, actually, approximately, 1/8th of the casualities were foreign.

And that makes all the difference... Christ sake.

Originally Posted by roadbowler

Secondly, i have to really wonder how one can look at the staggering amount of atrocities perpetuated or assisted by western governments and think that someone who thinks they could be responsible for well maybe just another (which is frankly, fairly small fish compared to some of the others) is a 'disgraceful person'?

It is the fact that in this day and age do you really think that they could get away with it? The answer is quite clearly no. And therefore anybody who thinks the murder of two thousand nine hundred and seventy three was masterminded by the American government of the time, is a disgrace.

**Alan16** · 01-Feb-10, 23:18

Originally Posted by Stavro

You willingly blind, too, golach?

How boring is your life that you have to made up this rubbish?

**Stavro** · 01-Feb-10, 23:19

Originally Posted by Alan16

I'm currently doing classical & quantum physics, as well as numerous astronomy related topics. You surely understand that there isn't much room for improvisation there, or perhaps you think I should be arguing against Isaac Newton and Max Planck? The fact that they're both dead is just one of the many reasons I will not be doing this.

Well then, you use Isaac Newton and explain why there was only one hole (not even another mark) on the Pentagon wall.

**golach** · 01-Feb-10, 23:19

Originally Posted by Stavro

You willingly blind, too, golach?

I have my sight Stavro............But I know Fred of old, just been waiting for him to start his old rantings......got the T shirt, this is old ground he has opened up!!!

**Stavro** · 01-Feb-10, 23:22

Originally Posted by golach

I have my sight Stavro............But I know Fred of old, just been waiting for him to start his old rantings......got the T shirt, this is old ground he has opened up!!!

I don't have the T-shirt.

**northener** · 01-Feb-10, 23:24

Originally Posted by roadbowler

aye, and a few million iraqis will never live to see if their country becomes more "stable and wealthy" as you put it. Many millions will live to watch their children and childrens children grow up with deformities and illness and short lives due to depleted uranium. The living generations will live with the psychological and physical terrorism we have inflicted on them and for what? Our own ex-prime minister cannot even answer the question properly. What about that is not very apparent to anyone paying even a little bit of attention?? What GOOD can possibly come of an invasion, slaughter of millions of innocent people and takeover of a country?

What a lovely emotional outburst this is Roadbowler. Unfortunately, wailing over the deaths of anyone won't change a thing. History is built upon harsh reality, not emotional niceties.

Look back at the history of any country and you will invariably come across death on a massive scale...and not always to the detriment of the whole in the long run.
I'm not saying that this means we should treat anyones' death in a flippant or casual manner, but it may be that years from now, we could possibly see something positive for the region as a whole.

I ain't taking sides on this, merely coming up with a dispassionate and pragmatic viewpoint......

**Phill** · 01-Feb-10, 23:24

Originally Posted by Alan16

And therefore anybody who thinks the murder of two thousand nine hundred and seventy three was masterminded by the American government of the time, is a disgrace.

Why is this?

**Alan16** · 01-Feb-10, 23:25

Originally Posted by Stavro

Well then, you use Isaac Newton and explain why there was only one hole (not even another mark) on the Pentagon wall.

Do you not understand what I said? Well here it is as plainly as I can put it: I am not going to bother trying to explain something which did not happen.

Originally Posted by Stavro

Alan<maturity age of >16<months>, you are in my opinion a complete and utter idiot, but you do not have to open your mouth so often to prove it.

You think Bush et al killed two thousand nine hundred and seventy three people to further his political agenda. This means that I couldn't give a damn what you think of me.

**Boozeburglar** · 01-Feb-10, 23:26

Yeah, and you had begun to think I talk out of my behind Golach.

At least Fred is back to put all that in perspective.

**fred** · 01-Feb-10, 23:28

Originally Posted by ducati

Do you honestly believe this or is it a wind up? I would be the first to agree the USA-specifically, the CIA are capable of some pretty outrageous "foreign policy" gaffs. All be it in the interest of American business interests, slowing down drug imports, slowing down enemies supply routes. There is a theme to all this and that is, it is in American interests. What American interest would be served in murdering an outrageous number of American citizens and badly damaging the infrastructure of one of their own major cities, in the most public way possible?

Well they seem to have done all right out of it so far. Got to invade a few countries, tear up the Constitution. Oil companies, arms companies, mercenary companies all doing great.

How many times did Blair invoke 9/11 in his testimony?

**Boozeburglar** · 01-Feb-10, 23:29

Originally Posted by Stavro

Alan<maturity age of >16<months>, you are in my opinion a complete and utter idiot, but you do not have to open your mouth so often to prove it.

How quickly your argument evaporates, and you recourse to personal attack.

How predictable.

**Stavro** · 01-Feb-10, 23:30

Originally Posted by Alan16

Do you not understand what I said? Well here it is as plainly as I can put it: I am not going to bother trying to explain something which did not happen.

So according to you, there wasn't a single, 10-foot diameter hole in the Pentagon wall before that wall collapsed? Is that right?

**Alan16** · 01-Feb-10, 23:32

Originally Posted by Phill

Why is this?

Because it is an absolutely ludicrous, and horrible, suggestion.

**Stavro** · 01-Feb-10, 23:32

Originally Posted by Boozeburglar

How quickly your argument evaporates, and you recourse to personal attack.

How predictable.

Are you talking to yourself again, Boozeburglar?

**northener** · 01-Feb-10, 23:33

Internet, wonderful tool, isn't it?

**Alan16** · 01-Feb-10, 23:34

Originally Posted by Stavro

So according to you, there wasn't a single, 10-foot diameter hole in the Pentagon wall before that wall collapsed? Is that right?

If you can prove this with a reliable source, then there was such a hole. If not, then yes that is correct. Until otherwise I'm sticking with the latter. And another thing, this proves what exactly?