What's the point?

**joxville** · 08-Dec-09, 19:57

You go to work and put in the hours, standing in to help many times at short notice, learn every job in every department to try better your career prospects, put up with all manner of crap because someday you'll be rewarded with a promotion and then what happens? The Manager moves on and someone from outside the depot gets the position job instead of me. No disrespect to my new boss but he has no experience of the industry, he only got the job because he's a Post Graduate in something at Uni. I'm bloody furious but can't say anything to the Area Manager about his decision to give the job to someone else, he'll just tell me if I don't like it then I know where the door is; and who can afford to quit a job in the present climate?

**Tubthumper** · 08-Dec-09, 20:12

Jox, you need to calm right down
Just take a pill and lose the frown
Have a look at where you are
And think about an answer
Is this nice shiny post-grad clown
Who's new to job and fresh in town
Quite good at being managar
Or just another chancer

Joxville baby, just relax
And think about a place
A beach, some music, awful far
Away from depot race

Just think of good things where you are
Or maybe Katy Meluar
All skimpy clad and looking for
A bloke to hold her hand
Her new stage show spectacular
You driving her big Jaguar
And warning off attentions from
The blokes that's in her band

Joxville baby, just relax
This new chap will in time
Turn out to be another mover
Smarmy, full of slime

So back to Katy Meluar
And bottles right behind a bar
Bikini straps are hanging loose
And all because of Jox
There's Katy who's so popular
Her singings way above by far
She looks a million dollars
Even in her thermal socks

And Joxville baby, things will change
You'll get what you deserve
This new guy is a Uni-type
He hasn't got the nerve

He'll move on just like all the rest
About two years at max
Before he gets found out he'll jump
In case he gets the axe

**Iffy** · 08-Dec-09, 20:27

That is so unfair Joxville.

It's difficult enough, as you say, in todays hard job climate, but when you give it your all, and are consciencious (spl?) about your job and do your utmost, to have some "newby" come in over your head....

Just keep thinking - "What goes around, comes around" .
Your time will come lad.. your time will come.
I don't know you personally, but could well imagine you to be a very consciensious (spl?) worker, so dinna let the "hierarchy" get you down!

Hey, it'll be a New Year soon, so just keep your chin up and see what that may bring forth for you, eh?

**lister** · 08-Dec-09, 21:26

Originally Posted by joxville

You go to work and put in the hours, standing in to help many times at short notice, learn every job in every department to try better your career prospects, put up with all manner of crap because someday you'll be rewarded with a promotion and then what happens? The Manager moves on and someone from outside the depot gets the position job instead of me. No disrespect to my new boss but he has no experience of the industry, he only got the job because he's a Post Graduate in something at Uni. I'm bloody furious and pissed off but can't say anything to the Area Manager about his decision to give the job to someone else, he'll just tell me if I don't like it then I know where the door is; and who can afford to quit a job in the present climate?

Ah poor little me eh?
There are some (if ye havena seen in the news)millions unemployed an yer gurning about promotion,,,get real .

**Tubthumper** · 08-Dec-09, 22:01

Lister - Tchyoub?

**lister** · 08-Dec-09, 22:14

Originally Posted by Tubthumper

Lister - Tchyoub?

Right back at ye girlie

**changilass** · 08-Dec-09, 22:18

With that sort of attitude we may as well all stay home and do nowt, better still go sleep on the front step as there are folks sleeping rough and we shouldnt want to better ourselves when there are those worse off.

Never mind Jox, your time will come. Don't let them get you down.

**lister** · 09-Dec-09, 10:03

Originally Posted by Tubthumper

Lister - Tchyoub?

Calling me a Tchyoub eh..
when ye write a poem Tchoyoubthumper ye need flair an insight an talent which ye have none of by yer post little girl..scorned are ye oh dear me yer lack of elloquence in this reply stands as who ye are .
If ye could write a poem of decent narrative i might have altered my thoughts but No ye cannae!!
Life ......ye need to understand it more to write true poetry...

**Tubthumper** · 09-Dec-09, 13:34

Originally Posted by lister

Calling me a Tchyoub eh..
when ye write a poem Tchoyoubthumper ye need flair an insight an talent which ye have none of by yer post little girl..scorned are ye oh dear me yer lack of elloquence in this reply stands as who ye are .
If ye could write a poem of decent narrative i might have altered my thoughts but No ye cannae!!
Life ......ye need to understand it more to write true poetry...

Whoops, seem to have touched a raw nerve there!
Thanks for the critique. 'twasn't meant to be poetry really, just a jolly ditty to lighten the day of someone feeling a bit low. Surprised someone with your depth of life experience wasn't more sympathetic.
Yes, an understanding of life is needed for good poetry. How about sending some of yours in, stick it on the Literature board?
But let's not fall out over a silly community website, eh?

**sharona** · 08-Dec-09, 22:18

Tuff about geting further in the job you never do for others it never pays off been there only time you try harder at work wen you work for your self we all learn the hard way

**Rheghead** · 08-Dec-09, 22:34

It is just a fact of life that no matter how good you are at your vocation, if you haven't got a higher certificate or a degree then you will nearly always hit a glass ceiling. There are lots of guys out there looking for jobs who have got degrees and looking for work. Quite frankly, you don't need to know an industry from the inside out to get on, you just need to show that you can manage people who do know the industry from the iinside out.

**Tubthumper** · 08-Dec-09, 23:20

Originally Posted by Rheghead

Quite frankly, you don't need to know an industry from the inside out to get on, you just need to show that you can manage people who do know the industry from the inside out.

One of the problems we have seems to be precisely that attitude. Loads of folk who don't want to learn the job queuing up to get on; no-one actually achieving anything much. Streams of people graduating on the promise of improved life prospects, wanting to bypass the grind of 'serving ones time' in a a workplace... and then there's that mysterious thing that happens, that says a graduate can somehow automatically be a good manager of people... just because he/she is a graduate! Can we afford to support everyone being a leader? I don't think so, so why encourage everyone to think that way?
In the army, one becomes an officer by dint of showing one has the requisite leadership qualities, and then undergo a huge amount of development work before one is actually permitted to lead. That said, it's a very foolish young officer who neglects to take account of the military & life experience of his senior NCOs.
Many young graduates don't tend to do any of that stuff. They just go to uni, pass exams and expect it to happen.
And before anyone stabs me for being anti-graduate, I know plenty of utter erses who were apprentices, and plenty others who were servicemen.
My point is this - we as a country should get our heads out of the 'go to uni - its the only way to progress' rut.
It's what you are that counts, not what certificates you have!

**Kenneth** · 10-Dec-09, 10:48

Originally Posted by Tubthumper

It's what you are that counts, not what certificates you have!

I'm pretty sure if you come out of university with a post graduate degree then you ARE probably a hard working young chap and suitable for the job in question.

**Phill** · 10-Dec-09, 12:27

Originally Posted by Kenneth

I'm pretty sure if you come out of university with a post graduate degree then you ARE probably a hard working young chap and suitable for the job in question.

Unfortunately not guaranteed, having spent a few years at a Uni I can say they have there fair (maybe more) share of bone idle layabouts that somehow manage to scrape through.

Also having been tasked to look after a group of post grad's in the workplace and help nurture their talents (?) I can honestly say that the system is flawed.
The scary part is the belief by some that the degree alone is enough to assume that they have the skills and experience to make sound judgements.

Degrees may be fine but practical experience is also required in equal measure.

**joxville** · 08-Dec-09, 23:26

Originally Posted by lister

Ah poor little me eh?
There are some (if ye havena seen in the news)millions unemployed an yer gurning about promotion,,,get real .

I certainly appreciate I'm one of the lucky ones that hasn't been hit too hard by the recession so mustn't complain too much. How would you feel if you'd worked damn hard and gave up many weekends and some social life just to be overlooked when the chance of promotion came along?

Originally Posted by Rheghead

It is just a fact of life that no matter how good you are at your vocation, if you haven't got a higher certificate or a degree then you will nearly always hit a glass ceiling. There are lots of guys out there looking for jobs who have got degrees and looking for work. Quite frankly, you don't need to know an industry from the inside out to get on, you just need to show that you can manage people who do know the industry from the iinside out.

I'm not going to knock the new boss, he's studied and worked hard to get where he is. It's just galling that he'll learn how the depot works from me and others, rather than start at the bottom and work his way up.

**golach** · 08-Dec-09, 23:51

Originally Posted by joxville

I'm not going to knock the new boss, he's studied and worked hard to get where he is. It's just galling that he'll learn how the depot works from me and others, rather than start at the bottom and work his way up.

Jox, I feel for you mate, but t'was ever so in this life, I have encountered this sort of discrimination in my years in the Civil Service, I do not have the answer. Hope after a weekend off and a bit of social life, you end up feeling better.

**David Banks** · 09-Dec-09, 02:23

Originally Posted by joxville

It's just galling that he'll learn how the depot works from me and others, rather than start at the bottom and work his way up.

Oh boy.
I know exactly what that feels like.
And the possibility that the 'new' person may be a better manager - yea - better at managing to pick our brains - and yes, we end up nursemaiding him through, so he won't fall flat on his stupid face - we can't help being helpful.
He'll move on before he's found out - 2 years, 3 at the most. Unfortunately, his wallet will be fatter.

**cuddlepop** · 09-Dec-09, 09:17

Thats just so unfair but unfortunatly experience counts for nothing.

Big companies tend to go for that piece of paper and forget about the excisting employees that have spent a great deal of time and effort getting it right.
You've done your best just remember that, but be very carefull that the new boss just doesnt have the experience for the job and picks your brains or belittles you as he sees you as a threat.

Maybe its time to move on or start on your own.

**cuddlepop** · 09-Dec-09, 09:20

Originally Posted by David Banks

Oh boy.
I know exactly what that feels like.
And the possibility that the 'new' person may be a better manager - yea - better at managing to pick our brains - and yes, we end up nursemaiding him through, so he won't fall flat on his stupid face - we can't help being helpful.
He'll move on before he's found out - 2 years, 3 at the most. Unfortunately, his wallet will be fatter.

Yes david we too have experienced this and have come to the conclusion some companies promote their "mistakes" as they havent a clue what to do with them.
Usually there,s a trail of very unhappy employees left behind because of the misery an unexperienced individual can cause.