Global Warming Propaganda

[Rheghead]

Being seen to be "Green" is fashionable and media friendly,

It wasn't always that way. Being green was considered to be a crank position despite all the evidence. What is best? A spirit of the times which promotes a sustainable future for our children's children or one which keeps the short term interests of profit-making energy providers at an all time high? You decide which is most probable.

[Phill]

LOL!!

Aye.

But it's generally our money that's being spent and their not normally so shy with it.

Not bothered about about £6m on climate porn advertising are they.

[Phill]

You decide which is most probable.

Well my money is here on the most probable: (which in my view actual)

short term interests of profit-making energy providers at an all time high

But I agree with the sentiment of what we should be teaching our kids.

[Rheghead]

But I agree with the sentiment of what we should be teaching our kids.

Excellent point since the short term interests of today's profit-makers differ greatly from the longterm interests of those that don't have any political interest.....yet

[JAWS]

Take it to the scientists since you know better, let the world know that we are ok, nothing to worry about. You'll just get laughed at if it wasn't such a serious matter.

Which bit will they be laughing at? That is assuming the scientists concerned are not a carefully selected group with an vested financial or political interest in promoting Man Made Climate Change.

As for the comments about acid rain and it being caused by the same activities as Climate Change then the problem should be getting far worse as time has gone by. Three decades ago the lakes were supposed to be getting so acidic that they were dying along with trees. The news was full of pictures of fir trees in forests dying where they stood. According to the Global Warmists there as been a massive increase in CO2 since then which would obviously have made the situation far worse. The strange thing is that it simply hasn't happened. The forests up here are certainly not dying where they stand or the forestry would not be planting more trees for them to simply fall down dead. As for the Lochs in the Highlands, by now they should be so acidic there should be nothing living in them, at least if what was predicted three decades ago were true, but they too seem to have failed to have behaved as ordered. People seem to spend lot of time fishing in them considering all the fish are supposed to be dead by now. The reason the acid rain scare stories were dropped was because the dire predictions were obviously failing to materialise so that scare was quietly dropped.

[gleeber]

Like I said global warning only interests me in the respect that it'll be warmer working on a roof in November. I'm fairly green naturally so my conscience is clear.
Global warmings the new bogeyman though and I just took it for granted that the present problems were caused by humankind mostly because I believe the scientists. I know about climate change over thousands of years but the claims being made by the scientific establishment seem pretty clear.
This thread is enlighening.

[Rheghead]

As for the comments about acid rain and it being caused by the same activities as Climate Change then the problem should be getting far worse as time has gone by. Three decades ago the lakes were supposed to be getting so acidic that they were dying along with trees. The news was full of pictures of fir trees in forests dying where they stood. According to the Global Warmists there as been a massive increase in CO2 since then which would obviously have made the situation far worse. The strange thing is that it simply hasn't happened. The forests up here are certainly not dying where they stand or the forestry would not be planting more trees for them to simply fall down dead. As for the Lochs in the Highlands, by now they should be so acidic there should be nothing living in them, at least if what was predicted three decades ago were true, but they too seem to have failed to have behaved as ordered. People seem to spend lot of time fishing in them considering all the fish are supposed to be dead by now. The reason the acid rain scare stories were dropped was because the dire predictions were obviously failing to materialise so that scare was quietly dropped.

http://www.miljostatus.no/en/Topics/...ide/Acid-rain/

[changilass]

Rheggers, for those of us who really can't be bothered clicking a link and wading through a long spiel, would you please summarise what points you are making please.

I HATE links.

[Rheghead]

Rheggers, for those of us who really can't be bothered clicking a link and wading through a long spiel, would you please summarise what points you are making please.

I HATE links.

The point is that acid rain is still an issue and not something that was quietly shelved through no evidence. Jaws's false assertion just seems to be one of the lies myths that the climate change sceptics try to throw about to muddy the waters.

[gleeber]

That was an impressive link Rheghead. Jaws has been left in your wake with his acid rain blurb but Im still dangling by the confidence of the other deniers.

[Rheghead]

Im still dangling by the confidence of the other deniers.

The climatologists are confident about their findings and are ready to go home, be made redundant or reassigned. It is the deniers that are keeping them at their posts to gather more information on what they already know about. The IPCC use 3 independent laboratories and they are all coming up with the same conclusions.

[Stavro]

The hockey stick graph which Al Bore uses in his propaganda is a total nonsense. The person who created the graph refused, for a very long time, to state what methods he had used to create it. It was only because two Canadians refused to be fobbed off that he was eventually embarrassed into giving details of his methods. It turns out that whatever figures you use, even totally ridiculous ones, the result is the hockey stick graph.
Much of the supposedly accurate information in Bore's film has been shown to be nothing more than wishful thinking, including the story about the islands disappearing under the Pacific due to claims of rising water levels.

Anybody remember when all the trees were going to die because of Acid Rain? That little claim disappeared and the trees are still here and growing as strongly as ever.

Remember the Hole in the Ozone above the Antarctic? There is a story behind that as well. The scientist who "discovered" it had been carrying out studies for several years. The people providing his grants informed him that, as he had found nothing of scientific interest in that time the current season would be his last and his funding stopped. It was shortly after that that he suddenly made his announcement the hole in the ozone layer. Not that I can see a connection between the two things, I'm sure the treat of no more funding was pure coincidence.
How do I know this? Just prior to the millennium the BBC World Service broadcast a fairly long series of ten minute talks each night made by people who were considered to have made some notable contribution to the world in the previous century. The scientist who "discovered" the Ozone Hole was one of them and the information about his funding came straight from his own mouth.

When the first computer models were created to predict future trends in the climate they worked wonderfully. When they created predictions for areas around the edges of oceans which were quite feasible the climates for the interiors of continents were so ridiculous that they were an impossibility. When the centres of continents had predicted climates which were within reason the predicted climates for coastal areas were totally unfeasible. What happened? The computer models were adjusted and adjusted and adjusted until they threw out the current predictions. I am always suspicious when somebody who has a certain objective in mind adjusts and adjusts the evidence and eventually arrives at the answer they set out to find. That information again came from the people creating the models well before all the panic which has risen as a result of Kyoto.

Totally agree with this and would add the "coincidence" of dangers to us all from CFCs occurring at just the same time as the particular chemical company's patent on CFCs ran out (so others could have made the stuff and taken some of the market).

The main "greenhouse" gas is NOT CO2. The main greenhouse gas is H2O and since there has always been the same volume of that about the place ... Al Gore and Co., Inc. must have an alternative agenda.

[Rheghead]

The main "greenhouse" gas is NOT CO2. The main greenhouse gas is H2O and since there has always been the same volume of that about the place ... Al Gore and Co., Inc. must have an alternative agenda.

Who is increasing the amount of water then?

[Stavro]

Who is increasing the amount of water then?

You've lost me there, Rheghead, I thought that I had stated it was remaining the same?

[gleeber]

As Ive already said up until yesterday i had little interest in the climate change debate. This thread though is beginning to tread a familiar path. I was kinda swung by Jaws thread but Rhegheads comeback with the Norwegian environmental link and its research about acid rain cant be ignored. Can it?

[Rheghead]

You've lost me there, Rheghead, I thought that I had stated it was remaining the same?

Bingo! So what's changing the temperature since we've discounted water as the culprit.

[Stavro]

Bingo! So what's changing the temperature since we've discounted water as the culprit.

Changes in Earth's climate are primarily caused by the Sun.

By the way, if you agree that "we've discounted water as the culprit," and since water is far more important as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, then we have also discounted CO2 as the culprit.

[Rheghead]

Changes in Earth's climate are primarily caused by the Sun.

Can you convince me of that?

By the way, if you agree that "we've discounted water as the culprit," and since water is far more important as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, then we have also discounted CO2 as the culprit.

No we haven't because the levels of carbon dioxide are increasing with temperature in accordance with the hockey stick model.

[Stavro]

Can you convince me of that?

Don't be ridiculous. Do you think that I'm going to waste my time again, just to be greeted with some silly response? I'd have more success teaching sharks to roller skate.

No we haven't because the levels of carbon dioxide are increasing with temperature in accordance with the hockey stick model.

See what I mean!

[bekisman]

"Acid rain restricts global warming by reducing methane emissions from natural wetland areas, suggests a global climate study."

Well that's alright then...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6231-acid-rain-limits-global-warming.html