Do You Believe in a God?

**redeyedtreefrog** · 07-Nov-09, 22:54

By God, I mean conscious or at one point conscious higher power who created life on this planet and has any interest in the human race, and that can punish or reward humans based on their moral choices.

Dont ask for a Dont Know option, if you are unsure as to the existence of a God then you have no belief in it, therefore no.

**shazzap** · 07-Nov-09, 22:55

No i don't believe in god.

**ShelleyCowie** · 07-Nov-09, 23:01

Its a big no from me! But i dont judge people who do. My mum is christian and 2 of her sisters are Ministers. My OH's family are religous too but he isn't.

If people do believe in God then thats ok, but i just dont.

**shazzap** · 07-Nov-09, 23:05

Originally Posted by ShelleyBain

Its a big no from me! But i dont judge people who do. My mum is christian and 2 of her sisters are Ministers. My OH's family are religous too but he isn't.

If people do believe in God then thats ok, but i just dont.

I am the same each to their own. As long as i am not preached to.
The thing that really gets on my nerves is when you get people knocking at your door preaching.

**flyfifer** · 07-Nov-09, 23:12

Yes I believe in God

**Iffy** · 07-Nov-09, 23:24

I have The Lord Jesus Christ in my life for now and forever and, for that, I'm grateful.

I know of a few people on here, who know my real name (so obviously know me as a person) and I could well imagine their reaction to my post.

! ! ! ! I think it may give them something to talk about come Monday morning at work ............ eh ??

As previously said though, on this thread, everyone to themselves, and everyone is more than entitled to an opinion of their own.....

If you do or if you don't have a Faith (of any kind ??) - I've no bother with either - cos I ain't gonna start preaching; so dinna worry

!!!

I treat people the way I find them, and how they treat me and mine back in return is what counts, not what their religion may or may not be - kindness, in my book, is what we should base others on.

God Bless X

**Tom Cornwall** · 11-Nov-09, 23:16

Originally Posted by Iffy

I have The Lord Jesus Christ in my life for now and forever and, for that, I'm grateful.

As previously said though, on this thread, everyone to themselves, and everyone is more than entitled to an opinion of their own.....

If you do or if you don't have a Faith (of any kind ??) - I've no bother with either - cos I ain't gonna start preaching; so dinna worry

!!!

I treat people the way I find them, and how they treat me and mine back in return is what counts, not what their religion may or may not be - kindness, in my book, is what we should base others on.

God Bless X

perhaps Jesus was the John Lennon or Bob Dylan of his day...a bit of a Hippie

**redeyedtreefrog** · 07-Nov-09, 23:13

Originally Posted by ShelleyBain

Its a big no from me! But i dont judge people who do. My mum is christian and 2 of her sisters are Ministers. My OH's family are religous too but he isn't.

If people do believe in God then thats ok, but i just dont.

I agree with you, but i cant stand it when people dont get their facts right. i got a leaflet from the Jehovas Witnesses saying evolution was "chance" and "an accident". Shame I wasnt there at the time they delivered it.

**ShelleyCowie** · 07-Nov-09, 23:16

Originally Posted by redeyedtreefrog

I agree with you, but i cant stand it when people dont get their facts right. i got a leaflet from the Jehovas Witnesses saying evolution was "chance" and "an accident". Shame I wasnt there at the time they delivered it.

They came to my door earlier this year. I told them i wasnt interested, they still didnt leave. I went to close the door as i was in the middle of changing my sons nappy and they put their foot in the door. They soon ran off when my OH came down the stairs!

I also dont like when people try to "force" their beliefs on me. If i wanted to believe something i would do it on my own free will!

My religion is legally actually classed as "Jedi"

**shazzap** · 07-Nov-09, 23:23

[quote=ShelleyBain;617641]They came to my door earlier this year. I told them i wasnt interested, they still didnt leave. I went to close the door as i was in the middle of changing my sons nappy and they put their foot in the door. They soon ran off when my OH came down the stairs!

I also dont like when people try to "force" their beliefs on me. If i wanted to believe something i would do it on my own free will!

My religion is legally actually classed as "Jedi"

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]My religion is legally actually classed as "Jedi"

You have been watching question time haven't you.

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**upolian** · 07-Nov-09, 23:23

no i do not

**Stavro** · 07-Nov-09, 23:26

Originally Posted by redeyedtreefrog

I agree with you, but i cant stand it when people dont get their facts right. i got a leaflet from the Jehovas Witnesses saying evolution was "chance" and "an accident". Shame I wasnt there at the time they delivered it.

Yes, I believe in God.

Perhaps you could quote some of the facts from the JW leaflet that you think are wrong? Along these lines, there was a creation v evolution talk in Wick Baptist Church last winter which covered a lot of this material.

**Invisible** · 07-Nov-09, 23:32

I'm a believer

**redeyedtreefrog** · 07-Nov-09, 23:33

Originally Posted by Stavro

Perhaps you could quote some of the facts from the JW leaflet that you think are wrong?

Binned the leaflet a while ago, but the general jist of it was that evolution is a chance process, which is untrue. Quite clearly, an animal will adapt it's body to it's surroundings to make itself actually survive. Not chance at all.

**Iffy** · 07-Nov-09, 23:34

Oh, by the way, I'm not, a Jehovvah's Witness !! (Good greif, I canna spell hid anyway, even if I were one !!!! )

I'm a Protestant, of the Christian variety, and proud o' it too !!!!

**canuck** · 08-Nov-09, 16:39

Originally Posted by redeyedtreefrog

By God, I mean conscious or at one point conscious higher power who created life on this planet and has any interest in the human race, and that can punish or reward humans based on their moral choices.

Dont ask for a Dont Know option, if you are unsure as to the existence of a God then you have no belief in it, therefore no.

You've offered an interesting definition of God. Following what you have said I have to vote 'no', I don't believe in that kind of god. As a Christian for me God in not a punisher or rewarder of adherence to a moral code.

Originally Posted by redeyedtreefrog

I agree with you, but i cant stand it when people dont get their facts right. i got a leaflet from the Jehovas Witnesses saying evolution was "chance" and "an accident". Shame I wasnt there at the time they delivered it.

I think that you must have mis-understood something. Evolution is just that: 'chance' and 'accident'. It is by chance or by accident that genes don't replicate properly and end up producing a new form of organizism in the offspring. If this subsequent generation survives better than the parent then the species keeps going.

**redeyedtreefrog** · 08-Nov-09, 17:26

Originally Posted by canuck

I think that you must have mis-understood something. Evolution is just that: 'chance' and 'accident'. It is by chance or by accident that genes don't replicate properly and end up producing a new form of organizism in the offspring. If this subsequent generation survives better than the parent then the species keeps going.

Sorry should've said that it said in the leaflet that there was a slim chance, highly unlikely. The truth is that it happens frequently, not rarely.

**Alan16** · 08-Nov-09, 17:58

Originally Posted by canuck

I think that you must have mis-understood something. Evolution is just that: 'chance' and 'accident'. It is by chance or by accident that genes don't replicate properly and end up producing a new form of organizism in the offspring. If this subsequent generation survives better than the parent then the species keeps going.

That isn't entirely true. There is "chance" and "accident" involved in evolution, but precisely what you said in your last sentence shows that it isn't simply "chance" and "accident". Survival of the fittest. That isn't "chance".

**Welcomefamily** · 10-Nov-09, 19:02

Originally Posted by redeyedtreefrog

I agree with you, but i cant stand it when people dont get their facts right. i got a leaflet from the Jehovas Witnesses saying evolution was "chance" and "an accident". Shame I wasnt there at the time they delivered it.

I am curious what part of evolution was not a chance and an accident, you not going to surely suggest it was a planned process?

It is also a very one sided abusive of scientific knowledge to suggest that the research does anything to suggest the JW version has any validity either. I am very busy so it might be a day or two for a response.

**RecQuery** · 10-Nov-09, 19:22

Okay:

Originally Posted by Gizmo

I hope you understand the irony of that statement

Yeah I was going to make that point but just left it.

Originally Posted by Stavro

Do you mean in the way that the idea of organic evolution is forced upon children in schools?

Creation myths can not be taught in a science classroom, none conform to sciences principles. That being said what makes one creation myth more valid that the others - In addition to religious views, should the Raelian opinion also be taught.

Originally Posted by Stavro

I am interested in the basis for this opinion. It may be right or wrong, but why do you consider it when you have made clear that you do not believe in God anyway?

I never said I believed in Thor, was just stating a point.

Originally Posted by Stavro

Not all Christians tell their children about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Jehovah's Witnesses, for instance, do not. Nor do Muslims, nor Sikhs, nor Jews,

Yes, this is perfectly true.

Yeah it isn't the best point but I was replying to an argument where the original was flawed, as it just annoyed me. Also FYI Muslims, Sikhs, nor Jews are Christian so I wouldn't expect them to.

Originally Posted by Welcomefamily

I am curious what part of evolution was not a chance and an accident, you not going to surely suggest it was a planned process?

It is also a very one sided abusive of scientific knowledge to suggest that the research does anything to suggest the JW version has any validity either. I am very busy so it might be a day or two for a response.

This is a fundamental Creationist/post-modern relativist misunderstanding, its not evolution via random chance but via natural selection.