Evolutionary changes before your very eyes.

**Rheghead** · 11-Sep-09, 18:16

I think this experiment proves that new species do evolve quite quickly given certain circumstances which provide pressure to make a change. I bet it has creationists squirming for answers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli...ion_experiment

**_Ju_** · 11-Sep-09, 18:36

I don't think creationist have ever been bothered with little things like scientific proof.......mere details that we are misinterpreting would be the view, I believe.

**katarina** · 12-Sep-09, 11:07

why haven't we, who live in the north of scotland, developed webbed feet then?

**dafi** · 12-Sep-09, 11:11

Cos you have shoes on your feet all the time?

**scotsboy** · 12-Sep-09, 11:20

Originally Posted by Rheghead

I think this experiment proves that new species do evolve quite quickly given certain circumstances which provide pressure to make a change. I bet it has creationists squirming for answers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli...ion_experiment

I would imagine a creationist would simply answer that God created life which is capable of evolving.

**tonkatojo** · 12-Sep-09, 11:23

Originally Posted by katarina

why haven't we, who live in the north of scotland, developed webbed feet then?

I don't think Doun Reay really made those sort of defects, also the good ole welly has saved us as well.

**David Banks** · 12-Sep-09, 12:14

Originally Posted by katarina

why haven't we, who live in the north of scotland, developed webbed feet then?

wellies.......

**Leanne** · 12-Sep-09, 12:37

I fully agree with you but quoting Wikipedia is probably the worst argument you could give. Articles can be written by anyone and are not assessed for accuracy. Have a search on the Cochrane database for fully peer reviewed information and you will find you can blow the Creationist out of the water

**canuck** · 12-Sep-09, 13:31

It would be interesting to take the evolved product out of its new environment and return it to its original environment. Would it devolve to the old organism or evolve into yet a new one which has adapted in a new way to its surroundings?

**northener** · 12-Sep-09, 13:34

I think I'm growing fins.......

**Rheghead** · 12-Sep-09, 14:12

Originally Posted by scotsboy

I would imagine a creationist would simply answer that God created life which is capable of evolving.

Good point but unlikely as creationists tend to believe the literal message of the Bible.

**Rheghead** · 12-Sep-09, 14:38

Originally Posted by katarina

why haven't we, who live in the north of scotland, developed webbed feet then?

Even evolution based on Lamarkian principles wouldn't cause that.

**Rheghead** · 12-Sep-09, 14:41

Originally Posted by canuck

It would be interesting to take the evolved product out of its new environment and return it to its original environment. Would it devolve to the old organism or evolve into yet a new one which has adapted in a new way to its surroundings?

I think they did the next best thing, they mixed some of the original stock with the evolved strain to see how they competed against each other. No prizes for guessing what happened.

**scotsboy** · 12-Sep-09, 15:18

Originally Posted by Rheghead

Good point but unlikely as creationists tend to believe the literal message of the Bible.

Totally disagree.

**_Ju_** · 12-Sep-09, 17:32

Do you "totally disagree" that it is a good point or that creationists take the bible literally, Scotsboy?

**scotsboy** · 12-Sep-09, 18:32

Originally Posted by _Ju_

Do you "totally disagree" that it is a good point or that creationists take the bible literally, Scotsboy?

I disagree that all creationists (or even a majority of creationists) take the Bible literally.

**redeyedtreefrog** · 12-Sep-09, 18:38

Please don't turn this thread into an argument, I dont think that is what it's for.

**northener** · 12-Sep-09, 18:53

Actually, I quite like these fins.....

**canuck** · 12-Sep-09, 19:13

Originally Posted by scotsboy

I disagree that all creationists (or even a majority of creationists) take the Bible literally.

Some of this discussion depends on the definition of the word 'creationist'. If by it we mean believe in creation, that is, the initiation of life from a source outside human creative potential, then I too am a creationist. I also just as strongly believe in evolution, the changing of DNA within an organism in response to its environment, of which some changes make the organism more viable within that environment.

I remind readers that the Bible is not a biology textbook. The Genesis creation story is written in ancient Hebrew poetic form and is meant to be a poem full of images, and feelings and love notes.