Binyan Mohamed....

[MadPict]

Someone else once said, "I'm all in favour of Human Rights but first they have to show that they have Human Values and Human Respect. If they cannot demonstrate that they have respect for others and demonstrate basic values of right and wrong then they should forfeit any "Human Rights"."

[JAWS]

What I find puzzling is that his sister has just been on the radio tearfully saying how happy she was to see him after seven years. Nothing strange in that you might think and I would agree.

My understanding is that he fled here, as a 15 year old, with his family around 1994, later tried to claim asylum as a refugee and was turned down, but was give leave to stay until 2004. Hence the careful avoidance by the media of calling him anything other than either a British Resident or more correctly, a former British Resident.

The puzzle I refer to is just why he has been brought here and not sent to his own Country of Ethiopia. Oh yes, his family fled from there and he sought asylum as a political refugee, presumably claiming there was a danger there for him and his family. And that is where the sister comes back into the story.

It seems that in order to greet him on his return here she had to take a flight from, wait for it, Ethiopia.
I wonder if that is the same Ethiopia or a different Ethiopia to the one which his family were supposedly so desperate not to be returned to?

[Bazeye]

What I find puzzling is that his sister has just been on the radio tearfully saying how happy she was to see him after seven years. Nothing strange in that you might think and I would agree.

My understanding is that he fled here, as a 15 year old, with his family around 1994, later tried to claim asylum as a refugee and was turned down, but was give leave to stay until 2004. Hence the careful avoidance by the media of calling him anything other than either a British Resident or more correctly, a former British Resident.

The puzzle I refer to is just why he has been brought here and not sent to his own Country of Ethiopia. Oh yes, his family fled from there and he sought asylum as a political refugee, presumably claiming there was a danger there for him and his family. And that is where the sister comes back into the story.


It seems that in order to greet him on his return here she had to take a flight from, wait for it, Ethiopia.
I wonder if that is the same Ethiopia or a different Ethiopia to the one which his family were supposedly so desperate not to be returned to?

You could not make it up if you tried!

[rich]

Scorrie - here is the URL for the paper.

http://www.ukip.org/

[rich]

I couldn't find any decent sports coverage. All I could find was some anxious coverage of the Olympic Games and some sort of threat to them from the EU.
The more I read this publication the better I felt about the EU!

http://www.ukip.org/content/leading-...f-the-olympics

[weeboyagee]

..just what are you on? Besides God?...you're a strange one. I think you might be suffering from an allergic reaction: to me...one of those fleshy creepy things mentioned on another thread 'people who make yer skin crawl'. Yer like a kid on a hot summers day - can't resist havin' a pop at poor old Perce. I can take it Rich....it's just so laughingly obvious that your Christian ideals don't mean jack when you're up against it. You're as small minded and bitter as yer average bible bashing fanatic.

What a post Percy. Normally I wouldn't care two hoots for your posts - some I can agree with and some I care not to. But c'mon - look at that post - what's it like, eh? A pop at poor old Percy?? Crying out loud - if there's anyone on here that has a pop at anyone or anything it's you mate. And where you're not, or no-one is having a pop at you, you fish for the biggest spoon in the drawer and post on a theme it can stir.

You're a laugh but you and Rich in one ring and you would just simply have to stomach each other - as we do with the rhetoric being pumped into posts like the above. There may not have been five names gathered by Rich to get you off here but believe you me there are five out there I'll bet - don't be so bold as to threaten to do something that at some point may just come about! I'm not one for the record - I think you're posts are extremely valid at times and very representative of a number of folks who "think" what you think but don't "say" what they think like you do.

I remember the org when it was like that - what a belter of a wapple we would get ourselves into! Eh Jaws?? But I think you have been working with the pencil sharpener for that post above Percy! (old boy!.....) Oops - sorry, forgot you told me not to call you that again - slip of the typewriter......my spoon back in the drawer (for the time being!)

WBG

[weeboyagee]

And before anyone thinks I was having a pop at Percy - he's bang right on this subject. The history of this points to the place the man should have gone "home" to. And that's not here.

WBG

[davie]

Personal .org vendettas apart I am saddened to see that yet another 3 of our British servicemen have died in Afghanistan.
Will our leaders soften the blow by laying on a private Gulfstream jet to bring them 'home' at a cost of £160,000 ?.
I fear not, they will arrive in Brize Norton, unheralded, mourned only by their familes and friends, in the usual R.A.F. cargo hold when a flight is scheduled and not before.

[Melancholy Man]

Percy, please.please, please retire in your beloved Cumbria.
Not in Scotland, not in Caithness.
We in the North have done nothing to deserve this.

Come now, Rich, it could be much worse. Imagine Bishop (sic.) Richard Williamson visiting his brother monks on Papa Stronsay.

[percy toboggan]

There may not have been five names gathered by Rich to get you off here but believe you me there are five out there I'll bet - don't be so bold as to threaten to do something that at some point may just come about! I'm not one for the record - I think you're posts are extremely valid at times and very representative of a number of folks who "think" what you think but don't "say" what they think like you do.



WBG

Thanks for the 'representative' tag WBG . I sometimes wonder why I remain in this forum -as might others - and use it as an outlet for my sometimes troubled, sometimes comical (he claimed) mind. I do not live in Caithness although I once harboured hopes...I have admitted I have no particular affinity for the county and yet this is an appealing message board. I 'meet' allsorts...including your goodself.

Looking at the feedback I get I realise there are people who sometimes support my views and some who don't. If I was rubbing up too many the wrong way then I would (really) leave. I only ever instigate subjects or offer opinions on subjects I'm concerned about or have an affinity with and don't deliberatelly try to antagonise folk.

Rich matters not one jot to me really and no doubt if we were shipwrecked together on some desert island he'd soon be reading me stories from his Bible before I used it for the fire. We'd then argue long into the night and I'd be longing for a companion with a sharper sense of humour and a more open mind ( nee cuddlin' up like)

We must all speak our minds without fear of upsetting others, so long as the language used is civilised and violence and 'hatred' are neither threatened, incited or implied. After all...it's the law. Life is to short to take any of this too seriously anyway.

[Melancholy Man]

On the subject, as I understand it Binyan Mohamed has been accepted by the this country as a reciprocal arrangement to speed up the closure of Gitmo; as have certain other countries.

Gitmo has been a badly handled mistake. Even though the great many of the inmates were captured on the battlefield, ex jure institutions such as this do run the risk of holding innocent men, and that gets me annoyed. I assume there is insufficient evidence to convict Mohamed. That some of those previously released have gone on to be recaptured, or even kill civilians, suggests that it is best not to release him to Ethiopia where he'd be able to slip back into armed groups. This smells bad, but I am more comfortable with his being monitored here.

Anyone claiming he was wholely innocent should be very careful in view of what transpired with the Tipton Three. Namely that they had almost certainly done everything they were accused of. See also the reports, particularly unsettling after Davie's post, of British soldiers encountering Taleban speaking with Brummie accents. If these individuals are not captured or killed on the battlefield, it's a virtual certainty that they'll return to the comfort and security of this country after raising Cain amongst Afghan peasants; like viscious man-children who wish the best of both worlds.

[davie]

At last a sensible post without resorting to personal emnity.

[percy toboggan]

Indeed...thank you Melancholy Man for bringing reason , sanity and objectivism back to this thread.

[weeboyagee]

Here, here! Or - there, there! Whichever,..... Melancholy Man - that was a great post! Objective is the word Percy right enough. I didn't see it from that point of view. Gitmo is a bad mistake - an afront to democracy but when you know the culprate who nicks the cookies out of the cookie jar but can't catch them with their hand in it, it becomes impossible to slap their hand - should we not just bang them up because we simply "know" they are guilty but can't prove it in terms of what the democratic state allows us to charge the accused by - namely evidence??

WBG

[rich]

I see what you mean about Papa Stronsey. Where are the Vikings when we need them...

[Melancholy Man]

Thankie Percy and Wee Boy. There've been the inevitable remarks about sharia law in this thread, as if penal law will ever be imposed in Britain. Nonsense. It'll be only civil law, would cover only family and financial law amongst Muslims, i.e. precisely those which disadvantage women. Here is a man who advocates the imposition of such civil law which, for instance, would require the payment of approximately eight years salary of non-Muslims killed by Muslims.

I should add, Rich, that your namesake is a deep embarrassment to many, if not most in the Society of St. Pious X, and I have no reason to think the monks either on Papa or whichever garage agree with his grotesque lies about the Holocaust. Its excommunication was remitted for separate reasons, but there will be a hard-core who hate Jews for the most traditional of reasons.

[Bazeye]

Here, here! Or - there, there! Whichever,..... Melancholy Man - that was a great post! Objective is the word Percy right enough. I didn't see it from that point of view. Gitmo is a bad mistake - an afront to democracy

WBG

What Democracy is that then, surely youre not meaning the UK ?

[MadPict]

I fear not, they will arrive in Brize Norton, unheralded, mourned only by their familes and friends, in the usual R.A.F. cargo hold when a flight is scheduled and not before.

Not quite "unheralded" - the good folk of Wooton Bassett and many ex service personnel turn out for returning flights.
The hearses with one coffin in each draped with the Union Flag are now given a Police escort. The imminent arrival of the hearses is notified by the tolling of a single church bell. The cortèges stop at the War Memorial for one minutesʼ silence; Standards are dipped and all veterans and service personnel salute.

A petition was started to highlight the lack of any 'escort' for these repatriations.
http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page17611

[davie]

I pinched this Aussie slant on the situation from elsewhere on the web :

B. Bechtel, a part-time City Councilman from Newcastle, New South Wales (NSW), was asked on a local live radio talk show, just what he thought of the allegations of torture of the Iraqi terrorists.

While his reply prompted his ejection from the studio, it also earned thunderous applause from the audience.

HIS STATEMENT:

'If hooking up a terrorist's nuts to a car's battery cables
will save just one Australians life, then I have just three things to say;'

'Red is positive, Black is negative, and Make sure his nuts are wet.'

[Fly]

I pinched this Aussie slant on the situation from elsewhere on the web :

B. Bechtel, a part-time City Councilman from Newcastle, New South Wales (NSW), was asked on a local live radio talk show, just what he thought of the allegations of torture of the Iraqi terrorists.

While his reply prompted his ejection from the studio, it also earned thunderous applause from the audience.

HIS STATEMENT:

'If hooking up a terrorist's nuts to a car's battery cables
will save just one Australians life, then I have just three things to say;'

'Red is positive, Black is negative, and Make sure his nuts are wet.'

You have hit the nail on the head.