Re Penny URGENT !

[dousslesh]

Munron Have PM'd You

[teenybash]

I see you have PM'd munron about Penny....I pray it's good news for Penny........

[Margaret M.]

I pray it's good news for Penny........

Let's hope it is -- the news about Penny made me feel so sad.

[munron]

Hi All

Thanks for the PM's and good wishes, forgive me but I am still half asleep.

Penny is still here at the moment, I have explained to teenybash what happened and my reasons for not making it public. There was what appeared to be an unprovoked incident and I am at a loss to explain it.

I have no experience with JR's at all, in fact we have never had small dogs. In saying that she has never shown any aggression to me or my partner or dogs in this house hence why we have been taken by surprise. She shows no emotion at all really but there have been small things that have made me think.

I spoke to a behaviorist and the vet and I made the decision that I could no longer ask Carolyne to support this rescue. It is not fair on her and could affect the integrity of lab rescue, Carolyne herself will admit she also has no JR experience.

At present I have kept my 11 month old son separate from her as she has shown fear of him, but he has just started walking I just worry about what if, and that is something I would not be able to forgive myself for.

I would welcome any input from any experienced people but I am prepared to make a difficult decision if necessary. I won’t put her in kennels, they probably wouldn’t have her anyway, if I have to make the decision it will be here in her bed where she is happy, safe and secure.

[carasmam]

I pray you can find a knowledgable terrier home for her, with no children.
There must be someone out there who can give her another chance. A terrier's foibles can be lived with, believe me !!

I totally understand the rescue not being involved any more because of whatever happened.

[binbob]

Hi All

Thanks for the PM's and good wishes, forgive me but I am still half asleep.

Penny is still here at the moment, I have explained to teenybash what happened and my reasons for not making it public. There was what appeared to be an unprovoked incident and I am at a loss to explain it.

I have no experience with JR's at all, in fact we have never had small dogs. In saying that she has never shown any aggression to me or my partner or dogs in this house hence why we have been taken by surprise. She shows no emotion at all really but there have been small things that have made me think.

I spoke to a behaviorist and the vet and I made the decision that I could no longer ask Carolyne to support this rescue. It is not fair on her and could affect the integrity of lab rescue, Carolyne herself will admit she also has no JR experience.

At present I have kept my 11 month old son separate from her as she has shown fear of him, but he has just started walking I just worry about what if, and that is something I would not be able to forgive myself for.

I would welcome any input from any experienced people but I am prepared to make a difficult decision if necessary. I won’t put her in kennels, they probably wouldn’t have her anyway, if I have to make the decision it will be here in her bed where she is happy, safe and secure.

oh munron..so sad..u have helped so much and now this happens.i know u will make the right decision...thoughts are with u.

[dousslesh]

Hi Munron. I PM'd you yesterday. Hope you are ok .I know just how difficult a time this is for you and fully understand you having to put your family first. As a temp solution we used a V. large cage for our JR during evenings and at times we needed to keep her secure and away from risks. We fed her in there and she did not mind being in there especially as it enabled us to keep her with us in the lounge. This was of course only a short term solution whilst we looked for a new home.
If you pm me I can give you details of a forum which I am sure can help you- there are some experienced and knowledgeable people on this forum who are very supportive and can offer practical assistance. If you prefer I can post on your behalf with a brief outline of the problem and ask for contacts ?
Although things must feel desperate right now trust me there are solutions and there could still be a happy ending to Penny's story and peace of mind for you. I hope so; nevertheless I and many others fully appreciate this is your decision and that you must do what you think is best. Good Luck

[munron]

Well firstly thank you all for your good wishes and PM's offering help, you are all superstars.

I spent the day yesterday observing Penny a bit more and it goes like this:

7am all dogs in kitchen, Penny crated - Penny bouncing up and down as it is breakfast time. Penny eats with my dogs out of her crate and she is fed last but there is no pushing and shoving as I am sure she knows she would be told off by my two.

Out for morning wee's, I have to go as well (not for a wee I should add) as Penny wont go out on her own. Then back into the crate as the household wakes up.

8.30am My two off for walkies and work with daddy, Penny bouncing up and down in her crate to get out for a while, she has to wait though. Later son placed in high chair in kitchen and Penny let out to roam around and she picks up what he drops. She is very timid around him and me and will get a fright if he drops stuff on the floor, which he does. She never shows any aggression but will run off. Penny goes back into her crate, which she always does when told, and it is time for morning naps as we go out.

12. Lunchtime for Penny so I come home to bouncy, barky dog and out she comes to get her lunch and any garden time she wants.

She is crated again for the afternoon and the big boys come home.

4pm dinner time - 2 large dogs and one small dog singing for their supper and reminding me of the time, all out and fed together.

5pm Little people dinner, all dogs in the kitchen, child in high chair wandering around. Penny tries my female dogs bed for size, gets out quickly when told.

Evening when little people in bed, through to the living room, hopefully onto the couch for a scratch - penny's idea of nirvana.

She was on the couch last night with four adults and another two dogs - she sat on my sisters knee, then her OH’s knee, getting petted and her eyes were closed just enjoying the moment. We agreed that a person on their own looking for a companion would be ideal although they would have to know her history, as we know it.

She has never shown any form of aggression to either me, my family or even my friend who visited last night whom she had never met before. She is quite the opposite she is very timid and does not force herself on people and will come to you if you kneel down to get petted. If you make a sudden movement she will run off.

She is not in any immediate danger and is far to comfy in this house, but she cannot stay here. I will, however, give her a chance and this is where I will ask all you more knowledgeable people to help. I would welcome anyone who wanted to visit Penny, even to assess her for themselves. I would also welcome any phone calls from people offering advice or interested parties, just PM for my phone number. I will be completely honest with everyone as it is important that anyone who takes on Penny knows that 99% of her time here has been perfect if a little shy, but there is that 1%.

[teenybash]

How good it was to read about Pennys day and it is abvious this wee soul is a frightened wee lass, probably to do with her past. You are doing a great job of socialising her and allowing her, under supervision, to be in the company of others and find her place slowly.
She sounds as if she needs the security of a routine and her safe place...her cage...and being let out for family time. With someone who would be willing to let her do things in her own time, she would probably end up not needing her crate very much.....it makes me wonder if she was kept locked up in her past........... I also think there may have been other dogs around her as she seems to know her place in the pecking order.
I would have no hesitation, if I could, in giving Penny a home but I have two large ladies............one who can be a nippy sweety when it comes to other dogs.
What it boils down to is Penny simply needs a home with someone who will give her a 'safe and secure' home....that is all she needs..... someone who will allow her to be close for those special cuddle times.............Whoever, opens their heart and home to Penny will soon discover they have a special, faithful little companion that will be an absolute joy.

So come on folks, help find Penny a home...........sweet words are fine but, action is what is needed.................

[Liz]

It was so good to read of Penny's day and the 'attack' definitely wasn't caused by aggression by the sound of it.

She probably feels very secure in her cage(it will be her wee den). My dog, Benjy, goes in his a few times a day and many times he goes in there out of his own choice.

Penny is lucky to have a star like you caring for her so much and I am sure she will get a forever home where she can live out her days.

[munron]

Well the crock count has increased in this household today.

We now have:

One man - possible man flu
One small dog - broken pelvis and hip bones
One large stupid stupid female that has probably done a ligament, will know more under sedation tomorrow.

Thats leaves me with:
one large grumpy dog that is waiting for his walk (which he will get when I can sneak him out the house as the stupid stupid female will go beserk, oh and when it stops raining).
One small child needing his bed.
One large glass of wine needing my attention.

I think I should set up my own NHS trust.

[Liz]

Oh no poor you!

Hope your doggy gets on okay at the Vets tomorrow.

Make it two glasses of wine!

[teenybash]

Hope you gave good attention to your glass of wine.....when you finally finished everythingelse.
Best thing for man flu........leave them to it....

[munron]

Hi All

I have put Penny's details on a couple of dog rescue forums, hopefully they can help but they are usually used by rescues based further south.

Penny went for a walk today with our dogs and got a little off lead, she didnt go far and came back when called. My female is on house rest and short lead walks only and is being a right pain in the backside. She has been annoying all the dogs today trying to get them going, but Penny just goes back into her crate. I caught my dog with her head in her crate and still Penny didnt react. Needless to say my one got told off.

[teenybash]

Sounds as if you are working a little magic with Penny in re socialising her.....she must look on her crate as her special sactuary when she didn't react to the other doggy trying to wind her up.
You really have and are doing a wonderful job for a special little lady.....Hopefully someone on the other doggy forums will come forward and fall in love with her..........

[Margaret M.]

Bless your heart, Munron, for the time and effort you are giving Penny. She is a lovely doggie and I hope with your help she can overcome the ghosts from her past.

[munron]

Thanks for your kind messages, but I cannot take the credit, it has to go to Penny herself.

We were sitting at the dinner table with all the dogs round mooching as usual and when it comes to the end the dogs are given a tattie or a carrot of the fork, little miss pen pen took hers very gently and ran off with it.

She also a naughty side and has taken to stealing my sons toys and hoarding them in her basket.

Honestly we were saying tonight she would make an ideal pet for someone on their own who was not afraid to ensure she was second on the pecking order. I think she enjoys being further down the list as it has no pressure. Sadly she doesnt get enough "me" time here but seems happy with a little although sometimes can be barky in her crate during the day to get out - but it is not easy unless sprog asleep or in high chair.

If my OH reads this he will explode but I will pay for her to be spayed and depending on the new owners situation I will contribute towards her hip operation required in the future. As long as someone can give her a top home and top quality dog food and lots of love I will do anything I can to help.

[Liz]

Of course you should take the credit!

Penny obviously feels safe with you and it is so good that she now knows what it is like to be loved and cared for.

Goodness knows what have happened to her if you hadn't taken her into your home and cared for her.

Re the spaying and op costs maybe we could 'pass the hat around' to help?

[teenybash]

Of course you should take the credit!

Penny obviously feels safe with you and it is so good that she now knows what it is like to be loved and cared for.

Goodness knows what have happened to her if you hadn't taken her into your home and cared for her.

Re the spaying and op costs maybe we could 'pass the hat around' to help?

I think Liz you have came up with a brill idea....don't you Munron....I would be willing to donate to a Penny spaying and hip fund, if someone could organize................... In fact I have £7 in 1pand 2p coins which I will donate..............what do you think?

[munron]

I think Liz you have came up with a brill idea....don't you Munron....I would be willing to donate to a Penny spaying and hip fund, if someone could organize................... In fact I have £7 in 1pand 2p coins which I will donate..............what do you think?

You are both to kind for you own good. Tell you what I think, if we find her a home we can assess the situ and as we all know a good home is more than money could ever buy we will take it from there. Could Penny be a .orgers first sponser dog ha ha.