PSYCHIC FAIR - Sat Royal Hotel???what do you think

[linkside]

I am answering the first post of the thread.

Thats what I thought thankyou, as sometimes usual in threads the main 'heading' of the thread has been lost and it goes off at a tangent.
The Royal Hotel were phoned earlier during the week and they had no knowledge of the 'fair'.

[white arrow]

I am a believer in spiritual matters. As you rightly say, I'm entitled to it.

I can understand that there may be an administration error in having two websites because of a name change. However, all you had to do was change the heading on the original site instead of setting up a whole new web site. It looks suspicious to even the most liberal of people. Like me.

I was pleased to find that there was to be a spiritual church in Caithness though I needed the nerve to go. After all, I didn't know what to expect. And the nearest one is in Inverness.

But the Caithness Spiritualist Church/Centre has been slated on this org over the months, at times unfairly I thought. Then I decided to do a little research after coming across your website, particularly the part on the site that said the leader Ros had finally gotten verification of certification as a Registered Spiritual Healer from the SNU (Spiritualists' National Union). That statement changed from SNU to Scotia (who?) after I made a phone call to the SNU to ask them if you were in anyway registered with them, especially as you quote them so much on the sites. Presumably they got in touch?

They (the SNU) also said that a spiritualist church service should not be charged for, but to have a collection plate passed around. Raffles and prizes demean the whole spiriualist experience and turn it into a side show that lowers the tone and that now, after the repeal of the fraudulent mediums act, a legal disclaimer -- announcing that the service and readings should be regarded as entertainment and that no medical, legal and financial advice is given -- should be read out before the service. Caithness Spiritualist Church/Centre don't do that, do they?

Spiritualism is a really grey area, I admit that, and there are charlatans ready to jump on the bandwagon and prey on the innocent, the gullible and the spiritually needy. But the way you have charged into setting up the church/centre and psychic fair without what seems a great deal of thought does not look, act or feel neither spiritual nor professional and leaves you open to ridicule from all and comments like this.

As I said at the top, I believe. But I also feel foolish for doing so when people behave as you do and I wonder if I really am being taken for a ride?

The centre accepts criticism and also input from anyone. As we are a new centre we will have teething problems and learn from our mistakes. We can only sort these hitches from people who attend or are interested in spiritualism. Please feel free to call me and have a chat.
If you are a computer wizard your input would be gratefully recieved.

[TBH]

Thats what I thought thankyou, as sometimes usual in threads the main 'heading' of the thread has been lost and it goes off at a tangent.
The Royal Hotel were phoned earlier during the week and they had no knowledge of the 'fair'.

If they had any psychic staff they would have know, surely.
With the repeal of the fraudulent mediums act these charlatans are going to have a very hard time avoiding prosecution if someone that feels they were duped by these people then decides to take legal action.
It has, since 1951, been illegal to charge for a psychic reading unless it has been advertised as or made clear that it is for entertainment purposes only.
In the past you will find that to get away with this some "psychics" will charge for the hire of the hall or whatever premises they are using rather than the psychic reading. This was a way for them to circumvent legal proceedings.
With the repeal of the fma in effect as of april this year it will be much easier to prosecute those that feed of the despair of the bereaved.

[3of8]

I am registered with Scotia Healers, I did take an exam and the Centre is also a member of Scotia. I take advise from people who are well qualified in running a church/centre. The mistake was made not by myself but the person that is doing the web site etc. Also that it is not law yet to state it is for entertainment only but when that law comes in we will advertise and announce that at meetings.
The mediums that come to visit our centre are registered with either Scotia or SNU. If you do your homework properly scotia exists. I would also like to add that SNU churches are run differently from Scotia.

The psychic fayre is for raising funds towards charities of Caithness. Also at the end of the financial year money will be donated to charity and the books will be available for the public to view.

I had already done my research and found that Scotia was a name attributed to many different things such as Scotia Homes, Scotia Travel, Scotia Security and even Scotia Double Glazing! But the Scotia Healing Organisation website doesn't have your church/centre listed. Or is there another Scotia I've missed?

As regards the repeal of the Fraudulent Mediums Act 1951, in came into force in May 2008.

Like you, I've quoted from an SNU publication, namely their website:

Advice Issued by the SNU
Repeal of the Fraudulent Mediums Act 1951
Mediumship and Consumer Protection Law
Events held in Spiritualist churches where the general public are asked to pay an entrance fee, even though these may be a normal part of a churches’ programme of religious activities, are likely to be subject to the provisions of consumer protection law. As such we must ensure that the public is not misled into making payment to attend church events and that vulnerable people are protected.

If a member of the public were to attend an event, not knowing what happens, he might find the experience satisfying, disappointing or disturbing. If disturbed, taking this to its extreme, he might claim to have been psychologically damaged, he might consider a claim for damages! Therefore, to explain events and to warn vulnerable people, the SNU has issued guidelines and produced disclaimer notices.

From May 2008 the provisions of the Fraudulent Mediums Act 1951 were removed and mediumship came under consumer protection law.

Consumer protection legislation now protects people who pay to receive mediumship services. If payment is required then it must be explained what people are paying for and people must not be harmed by what they experience.

Whether the SNU and Scotia operate differently or not, surely the law of the land applies to both and all equally? Or is Scotland different? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[TBH]

The repeal came into effect as of April 2008. The law as of 1951, way before the repeal, made it illegal to charge for psychic readings without advertising it as being for entertainment purposes only, that was the original law, dont pretend that you didn't know that White Arrow. The repeal makes it far easier for people to prosecute so-called psychics charging money for a service that has no basis in reality. The psychics cash cow has just left the building, hope you all saw that one coming?

[skytalker]

Thank you for your comments with regards to the SNU - it is a matter that we will sort out with them ASAP. As for the matter fo entertainment we will make sure that future advertisements carry the warning after all we wouldn't like to be seen to breaking any laws. Your comments are much appreciated and as we are such a young Centre your comments are greatly received.

The Secretary
Caithness Spiritual Centre
email - admin@caithnessspiritualcentre.co.uk

[TBH]

Thank you for your comments with regards to the SNU - it is a matter that we will sort out with them ASAP. As for the matter fo entertainment we will make sure that future advertisements carry the warning after all we wouldn't like to be seen to breaking any laws. Your comments are much appreciated and as we are such a young Centre your comments are greatly received.

The Secretary
Caithness Spiritual Centre
email - admin@caithnessspiritualcentre.co.uk

If you are doing this and advertising it as an entertainment then you are breaking no laws. Well done for sticking to the law.

[skytalker]

The repeal came into effect as of April 2008. The law as of 1951, way before the repeal, made it illegal to charge for psychic readings without advertising it as being for entertainment purposes only, that was the original law, dont pretend that you didn't know that White Arrow. The repeal makes it far easier for people to prosecute so-called psychics charging money for a service that has no basis in reality. The psychics cash cow has just left the building, hope you all saw that one coming?


I notice TBH that until pointed out by 3of8 the matter of law is not something that you have thrown at us before. But you are correct we don't want to break the law all we want to do is to provide a service to those who want it.

[kcurl100]

My advice is to not to waste money on these liars. Alll that will happen is you will go away with some general information that they have gleaned about you, from you and 30 shekel lighter in the wallet.

give up and take a good look at what u wrote every one believes in different things

[mrjolly]

Anybody been to anything similar in the Royal Hotel? Phoned up woman today and she said for a basic reading it would cost £30 for a more in depth reading £50 - am i wasting my money or has anyone been to them and know that they are good?

Julieanne & Yvonne are the women that are doing the readings.

x

a rip off lol. i will give you a reading for free

[Alan16]

a rip off lol. i will give you a reading for free

I hear a women's voice... I'm sensing a name, something beginning with 'M'... 'Mu'?... 'Mo'?... 'Ma'?... 'Mum' it is 'Mum'... She is saying 'Why'd you never do any of the washing up?!'

That one was on the house.

[sweetpea]

Anybody been to anything similar in the Royal Hotel? Phoned up woman today and she said for a basic reading it would cost £30 for a more in depth reading £50 - am i wasting my money or has anyone been to them and know that they are good?

Julieanne & Yvonne are the women that are doing the readings.

x

I don't believe in charging money to tell fortunes.

[Fran]

At their last event in francis street club and the Scrabster hall, the Spiritua;list Church raised £879.41 for various charities, which is really good. I wonder how many will go to Jenny Barnes at their event in francis Street Club on friday 4 September.

[©Amethyst]

I've got a friend who saw a 'Psychic' in the Inverness area. Apparently she was spot on... my friend wasn't charged nearly as much as £30, though.

IMO, if we were supposed to know our 'fortune' we'd be able to tell what was just around the corner.

[crayola]

Does anyone know how much Alan16 charges? Go to him now before he goes to uni because he'll be a professional after he graduates and professional psychos can charge what they like.

[Alan16]

Does anyone know how much Alan16 charges? Go to him now before he goes to uni because he'll be a professional after he graduates and professional psychos can charge what they like.

I'll charge whatever my psychic powers tell me to charge (worked out from how fancy your clothing looks and hence how much money you can afford to donate to the Alan trust fund).

You know if this keeps up I'm going to start believing I am studying psychics...

[redeyedtreefrog]

What a rip-off!

[crayola]

I'll charge whatever my psychic powers tell me to charge (worked out from how fancy your clothing looks and hence how much money you can afford to donate to the Alan trust fund).

You know if this keeps up I'm going to start believing I am studying psychics...

You are studying psychics already.

And I am well heeled. In both senses.

[katarina]

I don't believe in charging money to tell fortunes.

If some one is doing it for a living they need to charge. I would never pay £30 for one tho. Also if they can't get anything which sometimes happens, I don't think they should charge. After all, if you're not happy with the service in any other profession, you will get your money back (hopefully)
Look at it this way, if you have a talent you probably will make your living doing it, singing, painting, writing whatever. So why shouldn't psychics charge?
Of course there are charlatans as with anything else but Having been to five in my life time, three of them did not employ the methods MA implies. The other two did. I am very aware and I watch them more than they watch me.