"druggies"

[Fantoosh]

I had to start this thread because i cant believe the opinions of some people. After reading the "cost of druggies" thread I was amazed at the way people think. I know people can think the way they want to and have their own opinions, but i would just like you to read this and reply.

This is mainly to ask the people who think that people who take drugs are a waste of space, etc what they would think of a senario like this? Just a random one from my head from the real life stories I have read about. Will try to make it as short and not too many details haha

Okay, there is a young girl who has been abused by her parents for her whole life, and she has never had the courage or self confidence to tell anyone about it. She eventually gets the courage to run away from her family life and ends up with a new group of friends who happen to be drug addicts. They become her new family, and considering how horrible her old family were to her, she sees these people as loving and that they actually care for her. She also uses drugs to help her forget about her old life and things that have happened to her. She does not try to get help from the authorities or help groups, etc as she feels that she can trust any one apart form her new friends, and has no confidence to even if she really wanted to.

Does she really need to hear that people hate drug addicts and they should not be given they same treatment as other people in this world? Would this attitude make her feel any better about herself? What she needs is to know is that if she needs the help it is there and no one is going to judge her for the mistakes she has made and the path she has taken in life. So, she doesnt deserve the help from the government who were the ones who let her get into that situation in the first place by not noticing, or giving her help when she was younger and really needed it?


OK thats my rant or whatever you want to call it over. I just wanted to tell people that they may be a lot of people who takes drugs, but its not always because they are bad and horrible people, or people that are weak. Every one needs to be treated the same in this world I say. The fact that there are people that think they are better than others cause problems for people that have low self esteem etc, which can drive people to take drugs to have the confidence to socialise and make friends without worrying that others are judging them.

Yes I do know that there are some bad people in the world that take drugs and do bad stuff, but not everyone has got into the addiction the same way.

I do know that the people on here arent stupid and do realise this, but I just had to write it to calm me down. lol

And to say that all people who take drugs, even those people who will maybe take a little for a night out, are bad people that will steal and hurt others is so stupid and stereotypical. Its like saying, all people who are from scotland are ginger. lol

Okay Im finished. I just had to write that and put my opinion across. was too angry after reading that thread. Hmm reading that back, do I sound bossy and like I think I know everything? I dont think that. haha

[vodka-queen]

Very well said fantoosh i'm with you a hundred percent on that.

[connieb19]

There's also plenty of bad/evil folk who have never touched a drug in their life and steal fom people just because they are greedy. What should happen to these folk?

[Fantoosh]

There's also plenty of bad/evil folk who have never touched a drug in their life and steal fom people just because they are greedy. What should happen to these folk?

Jail?

[Gizmo]

I never bothered reading all the tripe spouted by the self appointed moral majority, just more eliteist crap as usual.
Having been involved in a social scene where recreational drugs were common place i saw quite a few people that are 'highly respected in the community' taking pills, speed, coke and dope on a regualr basis, the question these days is not 'who is taking drugs' but 'who is not taking drugs'

[Fantoosh]

I never bothered reading all the tripe spouted by the self appointed moral majority, just more eliteist crap as usual.
Having been involved in a social scene where recreational drugs were common place i saw quite a few people that are 'highly respected in the community' taking pills, speed, coke and dope on a regualr basis, the question these days is not 'who is taking drugs' but 'who is not taking drugs'

Excatly. That is very true. You would be very very surprised at the people who take drugs. I think some people like to try to be ignorant to whats really going on around them, or maybe they actually dont know how common drugs are these days.

[Gleber2]

Excatly. That is very true. You would be very very surprised at the people who take drugs.

Just over 400 deaths from drugs last year in Scotland and 75 of them from prescribed methadon. Over 20000 deaths from alcohol and even more from nicotine. It seems that the illegal drug user has a higher life expectancy than the legal drug users.
In a recent TV program listing the most dangerous of the Top Twenty commonly abused drugs, alcohol was 4th(or 5th) and cannabis was at 11 and extasy at 18(?) and yet we see alcohol adverts pushing the stuff at us every day.
Get rid of the bigoted hypocritical attitudes and see the whole problem of dangerous drugs and stop hiding behind the legal/illegal aspect.
Drugs, illegal and legal, are consumed by a very large part of our population and to say that a heroin user should be offered euthanasia is inhuman and inhumane to say the least.
Every addict is some-one's son or daughter and has as much right to help as any other ill person.
The attitudes expressed by some Orgers in the other Druggie thread disgust me.

[moureen]

Thank you Fantoosh and other "orgers" for supporting this thread.

[Lord Flasheart]

In life people will always have opinions you dont like. Accept it. By all means argue the point and then move on. I get the feeling you were referring to me as I was fairly vocal on the point. If you were I wont apologise for my views, if you dont like them then thats up to you. Or am I not supposed to say anything in case someone may not like it ??, to that I say tough. Do you know not ONE person in PM's asked me how the lass that was slashed fared afterwards but there seemed plenty of sympathy for addicts. Speaks volumes that does, and a sad indictment of the priorities of people today.

And I have been there in case you are wondering, I know what it is like to be at the end of your tether. In my case, I had a childhood I have spent my adult life trying to forget. I was in put in care numerous times due to problems with my stepdad, I was regularly beaten, I ran away many times and had every excuse for wallowing in self pity. Maybe I should have got out of my head on smack instead of making something of myself eh ??, I had to drag myself out of that at a VERY young age and get on with it so forgive me if I dont collapse with sympathy for people who chose the other path. It was the only option for me to get on with it. I feel I have earned the right to look and say "get a grip", why shouldnt I ??, I didnt then and dont now want sympathy I just wanted to be bigger and better than people expected. I made it, I worked hard and kept going. And having done so I dont want my taxes spent feeding a junkies habit when there are far more worthy causes. Why should people involved in an illegal activity get free treatment when say Asthmatics dont ??, and cancer patients cant get drugs that would help them as they are "too expensive".. that is a national disgrace to me.

Your post comes across as making out it isnt their fault. The bottom line in life is that as an individual YOU are responsible for YOUR actions. You make the point about the Goverment helping this hypothetical person who is only in the situation because, as you maintain the Goverment wont help them !!, at which point pray does this hypothetical individual start to take some responsibility for themselves ??, and it is a fact that Drug Addicts will and do turn to crime to feed their habit. There is a 17 year old lassie that can give some insider info on that, how do you think she feels if she sees a lad she likes knowing she has a scar that is visible right down her cheek, despite the best efforts of plastic surgeons she will always have it. The guy who did it showed no remorse and he took the best path in my view in overdosing and removing himself from the gene pool, I hope its hot where he is.

So I wont be taking a seat at the pity party for reasons that should be obvious now. If you want to then thats up to you, its your view and fair play to you for posting it .. but I dont agree .. forcefully.

LF.

[Fantoosh]

In life people will always have opinions you dont like. Accept it. By all means argue the point and then move on. I get the feeling you were referring to me as I was fairly vocal on the point. If you were I wont apologise for my views, if you dont like them then thats up to you. Or am I not supposed to say anything in case someone may not like it ??, to that I say tough. Do you know not ONE person in PM's asked me how the lass that was slashed fared afterwards but there seemed plenty of sympathy for addicts. Speaks volumes that does, and a sad indictment of the priorities of people today.

And I have been there in case you are wondering, I know what it is like to be at the end of your tether. In my case, I had a childhood I have spent my adult life trying to forget. I was in put in care numerous times due to problems with my stepdad, I was regularly beaten, I ran away many times and had every excuse for wallowing in self pity. Maybe I should have got out of my head on smack instead of making something of myself eh ??, I had to drag myself out of that at a VERY young age and get on with it so forgive me if I dont collapse with sympathy for people who chose the other path. It was the only option for me to get on with it. I feel I have earned the right to look and say "get a grip", why shouldnt I ??, I didnt then and dont now want sympathy I just wanted to be bigger and better than people expected. I made it, I worked hard and kept going. And having done so I dont want my taxes spent feeding a junkies habit when there are far more worthy causes. Why should people involved in an illegal activity get free treatment when say Asthmatics dont ??, and cancer patients cant get drugs that would help them as they are "too expensive".. that is a national disgrace to me.

Your post comes across as making out it isnt their fault. The bottom line in life is that as an individual YOU are responsible for YOUR actions. You make the point about the Goverment helping this hypothetical person who is only in the situation because, as you maintain the Goverment wont help them !!, at which point pray does this hypothetical individual start to take some responsibility for themselves ??, and it is a fact that Drug Addicts will and do turn to crime to feed their habit. There is a 17 year old lassie that can give some insider info on that, how do you think she feels if she sees a lad she likes knowing she has a scar that is visible right down her cheek, despite the best efforts of plastic surgeons she will always have it. The guy who did it showed no remorse and he took the best path in my view in overdosing and removing himself from the gene pool, I hope its hot where he is.

So I wont be taking a seat at the pity party for reasons that should be obvious now. If you want to then thats up to you, its your view and fair play to you for posting it .. but I dont agree .. forcefully.

LF.

Firstly I think it is a bit strange that some ‘Database error’ screen keeps coming up now when I tried to get back on the forum to reply to this thread. Funny that it has never happened before. Is someone trying to tell me something? lol

Hey, thanks for your honest reply and I congratulate you on making a better life for yourself, and taking the right path. Just out of curiosity were you ever offered drugs when you were at this point in your life?

You say that you wanted to make yourself become a better and bigger person than you thought people would think you were. Some people may feel that it wouldn’t matter to any one what they made of themselves, so what would the point be? Any one in the scenario I described may think, well the people that care for me take drugs, they are her role models practically. Who else would she look to as a role model? The parents that abused her? OK this is off the point. We can argue this till we are blue in the face, its not going to make a difference.


What that guy did to that young girl was his choice, he did it, just because he was on drugs at the time does not mean that all people who are addicted or take drugs will act this way. I agree that he should have done his time or paid in some way. I also agree that he should not have been let off because he was on drugs, he should have served the same as any one else. But what about the people who slash or kill people that are not on drugs? There are plenty of them, why just target the ones who are?
I can totally understand how the young girl must feel, as a young woman myself I fully understand the importance of looks to a girl or woman and how it affects your confidence and self esteem.

I understand that the government has got its priorities to sort out when it comes to what they fund and what they don’t, as I think asthmatics should be given free inhalers. This is going off the point again. My point is that people should never think or say they are better than anyone else because of the mistakes they have made in their lives and the life they have chosen to live. I know someone is going to say “what about murderers and rapists?” that’s not the people I was talking about, we were discussing people who are addicted to drugs, so there is no point in saying it. Maybe they need some sort of help as well, or maybe they are just bad people through and through.

I was always taught about equality. Is saying people that are addicted to drugs should not be given help or money from the government for help equality? Its just showing that there are a lot of people who only care about themselves and their own. What would you do if one of your children became a drug addict and was refused help from the government, bet you wouldn’t think the same then? If the money from the government can help someone get their life back on track so that it can stop or prevent these people from crimes, then I think it’s well spent money. Ok off track again, Ill shut up.