I wonder why...

[danc1ngwitch]

It is quite broad...............People have SEEN foxes killing livestock.

People will blame through anger etc.
We kill, for the sheer sake of it, ( at times ).
When they introuduce the big bad wolf then what?

[buggyracer]

I bet they would have said that about wolves.

another sweeping statemant with no proof to back it up? How many farmers did you talk to all those years ago when the last wolfe in scotland was killed Rhegs unless you can stick to facts and not generalisations then theres no point in discussing this?

to compare the wolf to a fox is a bit silly in itself, a fox can and will kill a newborn lamb, whereas a wolf can and will kill a full grown sheep, fox, dog, cat, calf, foal, deer........... the list goes on if you like i can too????

[golach]

is it not a well known fact that the sly old fox hunts mainly rabbits etc?
Lambs are not normally the easiest of prey for the mothers will defend.. I don't know i am no expert.

Sorry dancingwitch, I disagree, the sly old fox, is an oppertunist and will hunt and kill virtually any thing, one killed 12 bantams I had as a child, did not eat them, just killed them. luckily (not for the fox) he got caught by my father in the chicken run.

[Rheghead]

another sweeping statemant with no proof to back it up? How many farmers did you talk to all those years ago when the last wolfe in scotland was killed Rhegs unless you can stick to facts and not generalisations then theres no point in discussing this?

If you don't see any point in discussing this then don't, nobody asked you, unless, are you trying to suppress my opinion just because you disagree with it?

I think that link that liz provided gave some food for thought.

[buggyracer]

If you don't see any point in discussing this then don't, nobody asked you, unless, are you trying to suppress my opinion just because you disagree with it?

I think that link that liz provided gave some food for thought.

well dont try and offer your opinion clouded as that of fact or others/farmers opinions and ill be happy to continue the discussion

[Rheghead]

well dont try and offer your opinion clouded as that of fact or others/farmers opinions and ill be happy to continue the discussion

I bet they would have said that about wolves.

Pray tell where I said that was a fact? I mentioned the word 'bet' which suggests uncertainty, please read my posts more closely before shouting your mouth off at a tangent.

Opinons don't need to be backed up with facts. Have you any facts to back up your need to exterminate the fox?

Liz provided some statistics that support there is little need to go out shooting foxes and I believe them, there you go, I have some facts.

[buggyracer]

Opinons don't need to be backed up with facts. Have you any facts to back up your need to exterminate the fox?

Liz provided some statistics that support there is little need to go out shooting foxes and I believe them, there you go, I have some facts.

your making accusations on behalf of others with no facts to back them up.

anyway this is all OT back to the topic, i agree 100% with the culling of foxes humanely, would i like to see them totally eradicated NO, NEVER.

But having seen this picture it looks to me like all the carcasses are fresh therfore they look like they have been culled in a short period of time, now to me to cull this amount of foxes in one short period tells me that wherever this happened there must have been a serious fox problem!!!

Having lived on a farm in my youth i have seen first hand the damage a fox can do to lambs and let un-checked it would cost the farmer a pretty penny!

also for the record i do not agree with the lining up of the dead foxes.


PS when did i shout, calm down fella

[Boozeburglar]

Foxies.

So evil.

I likes to wrestle them with me bare 'ands, an',

Smother 'em tae death wi' me tongue!

[percy toboggan]

It's a cruel world...I love to look at a fox but can understand they are a pest. Not my province the country...or farming...much less hunting...so I can't condemn. Not pleasant to see but there are worse images.

It's a cruel world.

[Dusty]

The refinery where I work is home to at least two foxes and there is a wealth of prey for them in the area.
Several of the guys will feed the fox and there are pictures of a fox taking food from the hand.
The place is alive with rabbits and you can occasionally see the odd set of rabbit bones or a skull. However after the gulls start to hatch from May onwards and then attempt their first flights, the foxes have a field day.
Having said all that, I cannot recollect seeing the rabbit or seagull remnants of a frenzy. Perhaps with the urbanised fox this trait has lapsed?

[rob16d]

Anyway..............thanks for posting those pics....

[unicorn]

I have heard of the devastation to even rabbit keepers from foxes, one breeder in England had a family of urban foxes camping out on her flat porch roof after tearing apart her hutches and killing the rabbits, she was devastated and had an awful time getting rid of them as she had rabbits in her shed and they knew it. Her alsation didn't even put them off. She eventually gave up and rehomed the rabbits as the foxes were even digging under her shed.

[cullbucket]

Best thing you can do with a fox is make it into a cosy hat - you can then use it to keep the goat warm..... greetings from alaska

[rob16d]

awwww cute

[Foxy]

Farmers tend to attribute a dead sheep with something they are familiar, eg foxes.

Lets face it, the farmers were their own worst enemies when it came to BSE, foot and mouth, lysteria, e-coli, and Edwina Currie's eggs. And they had the gall to blame it all on everyone else than theirselves.

I am only talking about lambs as far as i'm aware adult sheep are very unlikely to be killed by foxes.

Rheghead yet another sweeping statement as far as i recall the foot and mouth crisis and the egg scare were all down to the government. Wasn't it a government lab that let the foot and mouth virus free? and then were stupid enough to say the country had the all clear and they couldn't even get that right us farmers were back to square one and losing money but is the government going to give us the money we lost, not likely.

[Foxy]

is it not a well known fact that the sly old fox hunts mainly rabbits etc?
Lambs are not normally the easiest of prey for the mothers will defend.. I don't know i am no expert.

The fox will take lambs especially if the ewe has 2 lambs as she can't defend both.

[Rheghead]

There is nothing wrong with making sweeping statemments if it makes you challenge every one that I make.

[KCI]

awwww cute

Glad someone finds dead animals cute.

Of course, you would see it as cute - you think it's fine for people to kill animals.

[Liz]

awwww cute

Rob I really like you and I know you are a nice lad but do you seriously think the head of a dead animal mounted on a wall wearing fur from another dead animal is cute?!!!!!!

[Liz]

Foxy I know that you and your hubby are good and caring farmers and quite understand you wanting to protect your livestock.
I also understand,even though I hate killing, that culls may sometimes be necessary.

What I object to is the killing of large numbers of animals just in case they 'might' kill.

Also I know that there is a large population of rabbits and would rather they were dealt with humanely rather than given the horrible disease max.
However, surely killing all these foxes will only make the rabbit population increase even more?
Aren't we upsetting the balance of the whole eco-system?


Where on earth did all these ferrets (I take it that's what they were?) come from?

Also how many animals are maimed and left to suffer a long lingering death rather than being killed outright?
More so by the amateur who just goes out taking pot shots as they enjoy killing.

Not an easy subject but feel there must be a way of dealing with it rather than the slaughter we have seen?