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    One of my grandfather's brothers, John George Fleming, is said to be on the Marine Register in 1894 and then disappears from view. Does anyone know what this register is because when I put the words into a search engine I get all sorts of guff which don't seem relevant.

    If, for example, someone died at sea - is there one place that would be recorded or would it just be the nearest port of call?

    If you know the answers to any of the above I would be grateful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marionq
    One of my grandfather's brothers, John George Fleming, is said to be on the Marine Register in 1894 and then disappears from view. Does anyone know what this register is because when I put the words into a search engine I get all sorts of guff which don't seem relevant.

    If, for example, someone died at sea - is there one place that would be recorded or would it just be the nearest port of call?

    If you know the answers to any of the above I would be grateful.
    If someone died at sea it would be recorded on the Seamans Crewlist and reported to the British Consul at the next port of call. The crewlists would have been handed in eventually, either at the first port of call in Britain after a foreign trip or after a period of time if the ship was a coaster and the information would have ended up on the Marine Register. The Marine Register was how the government kept track of British sailors in the days before we had a regular navy incase they needed them to fight a war. Every seaman had a ticket with a number on it which they handed to the Captain when they joined a ship and got back when they left. I think the Marine Registers are at the National Archives now but arn't very easy to search and are not very accurate for various reasons.

    There are other reasons a sailor could disapear apart from dying. Sailors would be fined for any breaches of disciplin on a voyage ranging from half a days pay for not airing their bedding to one months pay for smuggling. Often a sailor could end up owing the ship money by the end of the outward voyage and have no option but to jump ship without their ticket. Sailors could usually get another ship without a ticket, there were a lot of fiddles going on, I don't think most Captains thought much of the government or their system which is the main reason the register isn't too accurate.

    I have a copy of the 1851 Seamens Crewlists for Scotland if anyone has any seafaring ancestors from that time

    .

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    I just read your response and was interested to know if there are any Caithness Simpson's on that list from 1851. And any possibly from Orkney.

    Thanks for any help you can give.
    Jackie

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackie
    I just read your response and was interested to know if there are any Caithness Simpson's on that list from 1851. And any possibly from Orkney.

    Thanks for any help you can give.
    Jackie
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    Seq No: 1888
    Simpson Alexander
    Current Ship: STORMONT of Wick Trade: Home
    Age: 23
    Born: CAI Ticket No: 282968
    Mate
    Date Joined: 01 Jan 1851 Place Joined: Wick
    Date Left: Remains Place Left: Why Left:
    Previous Ship: STORMONT of Wick
    Comments: aka Simson
    BT 98/: 2793
    -------
    Seq No: 3590
    Simpson Walter
    Current Ship: SODA of Wick Trade: Home
    Age: 17
    Born: Dunnet CAI Ticket No: 284515
    Ord Seaman
    Date Joined: 02 Mar 1851 Place Joined: Castlehill
    Date Left: Remains Place Left: Why Left:
    Previous Ship: SODA of Wick
    Comments:
    BT 98/: 2793
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    Seq No: 5012
    Simson Alexander
    Current Ship: STORMONT of Wick Trade: Home
    Age: 23
    Born: CAI Ticket No: 282968
    Mate
    Date Joined: 01 Jan 1851 Place Joined: Wick
    Date Left: Remains Place Left: Why Left:
    Previous Ship: STORMONT of Wick
    Comments: aka Simpson
    BT 98/: 2793
    -------
    Seq No: 4676
    Simpson Charles
    Current Ship: EXPERIMENT of Kirkcaldy Trade: Fishing
    Age: 41
    Born: OKI Ticket No: 242843
    Fisherman
    Date Joined: 10 Apr 1851 Place Joined: Stromness
    Date Left: 18 Jul 1851 Place Left: Stromness Why Left: Discharged
    Previous Ship: EXPERIMENT of Kirkcaldy
    Comments: Wrong box
    BT 98/: 2553
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    Seq No: 5986
    Simpson William
    Current Ship: EXPERIMENT of Kirkcaldy Trade: Fishing
    Age: 40
    Born: OKI Ticket No: 130297
    Fisherman
    Date Joined: 10 Apr 1851 Place Joined: Stromness
    Date Left: 18 Jul 1851 Place Left: Stromness Why Left: Discharged
    Previous Ship: EXPERIMENT of Kirkcaldy
    Comments: Wrong box
    BT 98/: 2553
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    Fred wrote

    I have a copy of the 1851 Seamens Crewlists for Scotland if anyone has any seafaring ancestors from that time
    Are there any Thain's from Ackergill on that register Fred?

    Penny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny
    Fred wrote

    I have a copy of the 1851 Seamens Crewlists for Scotland if anyone has any seafaring ancestors from that time
    Are there any Thain's from Ackergill on that register Fred?

    Penny
    Thain James
    Current Ship: RAMBLER of Wick Trade: Foreign/Home
    Age: 16
    Born: Ackergill Ticket No: 284130
    Boy
    Date Joined: 14 Oct 1851 Place Joined: Wick
    Date Left: 31 Dec 1851 Place Left: Wick Why Left: Discharged
    Previous Ship: FAVOUTITE of Wick


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    Hi Fred

    Wondered if you had a James Hourston born in Orkney on your list
    cheers
    Fiona

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmackay
    Hi Fred

    Wondered if you had a James Hourston born in Orkney on your list
    cheers
    Fiona
    No, I've got a James Houston born Thurso, he was either 19, 20 or 22 years old depending on which ship he was on but no Hourstons at all

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    Hi Fred
    thanks for looking
    Fiona

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    Hi Fred

    Could you tell me if a George Manson from Canisbay appears on your list, he would only of been 15 in 1851? Or perhaps his father Alexander who would of been 37?

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Thanks

    Fiona

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    Thank you for the information about James Thain Fred - that was most helpful.

    Penny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncansby
    Hi Fred

    Could you tell me if a George Manson from Canisbay appears on your list, he would only of been 15 in 1851? Or perhaps his father Alexander who would of been 37?

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Thanks

    Fiona
    No, there's a William Manson 42 born Caithness and a James Manson 36 born Caithness but no George or Alaexander.

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    Hi Fred

    Thanks for looking for me.

    Fiona

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    Hello Fred,
    Any Durrand's from Wick on that register, maybe James father & son , Ship's Emanuel & Shannon
    Regards Teeny

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    Quote Originally Posted by elizabeth forbes
    Hello Fred,
    Any Durrand's from Wick on that register, maybe James father & son , Ship's Emanuel & Shannon
    Regards Teeny
    There are no lists in for Emanuel or Shannon, they could have been away for the entire year or they may just be missing.

    I do have a John Durrand on the Ranger.

    Durrand John
    Current Ship: RANGER of Wick Trade: Foreign
    Age: 15
    Born: CAI Ticket No: 284226
    Boy
    Date Joined: 26 Sep 1851 Place Joined: Wick
    Date Left: Remains Place Left: Why Left:
    Previous Ship: RANGER of Wick


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    As always Fred, you are a mine of information. This brother of my grandfather's ie John George Fleming is proving very elusive but at least I have a picture of what is going on. Earlier this year I didn't even know he had any brothers. Now I know he had two and I have a good history of the second.

    Incidentally I was up in Wick at the end of July and the Family History department in the Library were so helpful as also was the Registrar's office in town. Many thanks to all you were so good. We stayed at the Harbour Bed and Breakfast and Brenda and husband were good too. Recommended!

    Well done Wick.

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    Hello Fred,
    Many thanks for the info, John went on to become a Master Mariner and died at his home in Wick 1901, Surviving son Alexander was also a Seafarer.
    Once again many thanks and regards to all researchers
    Teeny

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    Thanks Fred, haven't been online in a few days thanks for the info.
    jackie

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    Hello

    I am trying to trace my family tree and wondered if any seamen with the surname Blank were on the 1851 marine register. Possibly lived in Wick.
    Many thanks for any help you can give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walker6
    Hello

    I am trying to trace my family tree and wondered if any seamen with the surname Blank were on the 1851 marine register. Possibly lived in Wick.
    Many thanks for any help you can give.
    No Blanks on the lists. The problim is that the ships that did the long voyages would put in at Portsmouth first before returning home and that is where the lists would be handed in.

    There is an Alexander Blanks who was a sailor on the 1851 census.


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