what do we think of new music

[roblovesplastic]

I couldn't find this usual thread
I hear these noises in my head
But thought that Caithness people that reply
To this and every usual thread
Dont seem to have a clue I said
i see things in the dark and I shout WHY??

A music shop, some broadband
And a padded room with view
I speak to people regular
That haven't got a clue
The voices in my bonce are getting louder by the day
And that is why I cry and cry and shout out loud to saaaaaay....

Just what, Oh What Do We Think
Of Mooooooodern
Music?

Panhandler

I think you may be putting words into my postings that were not there.

I am trying to provoke chit chat on the state of new music.

I know how agro drunken drummers get bored and post things the org for no reason so I forgive you.

Anyway, I will, one last time, ask again, is ANYONE listening to any new music enough to have a conversation about the last year or so of NEW MUSIC

[roblovesplastic]

Personally there is some great underground bands in britain (forget all the stones commercial music like snow patrol and the view and if you dig you can find some GREAT underground british bands!

Take Biffy Clyro for example, ive been listening to them for 7 years and now with their latest album they break the mainstream which kinda sucks cause now everyone is jumping on the biffy bandwagon!

But anyway loads of good bands out there just none good enough to beat Nirvana or At The Drive-In!

mon the Biffy is right, love the album and they really seem to be kicking off this year, I have never seen/heard them live though....

[roblovesplastic]

Have you heard the wire pube?

No, but I bet its not new

Its not, ive posted here before

[Jeemag_USA]

Well I am of the school of thought that there is no such thing as new music, there are new methods of playing the same familiar stuff, it all goes back to the shamen of many thousands of years ago, start hitting anything with something else in four four time and then start hitting an off beat and play it another way its all old hat, its how you use it to express yourselves is the most important thing. The interesting thing I noticed about dance music when it came along is the bass drum....boom,boom,boom,boom..... you can take that at any speed and add it to almost any world music and it fits, wether it is reggae, salsa, country which proves we started with a beat and started expressing around it with our own melody. The fact that nothing is really new is nothing to be ashamed of, its great to know we are carrying along a traditon of sound and rythm from generation to generation. every now and again a band comes along that uses the old music they have learned and presents it in such a way that makes people say "WOW thats really different" and you can think of Talking Heads, Pink Floyd, etc etc. Bands like Led Zeppelin who were trully brilliant took a fusion of rythm and blues, rock and roll, folk and melded it altogether to produce a new sound, but it wasn't really new music, but was trully unique in its day and to this day. When you think about the fact that nobody really creates music without having listened to other music, then no music is new music. There is a difference between "totally new" and "orginal material". All music is under the influence. Now I am not denying that a bunch of people can get together and call themselves abstract and start using the weirdest of things to make sounds and follow no rythm pattern whatsoever and you coudl call it new, but can you call it music and are people going to listen to it for more than three seconds before calling for men in white coats to bring straightjackets with them?

[Cazaa]

Does music have to have r'H'ythm or Melody?
Take, for example, the beginning of 'Riders on the Storm' by The Doors. The very introduction is a rain storm, played before the electric piano 'kicks in'. It certainly lasts for more than 3 seconds (and yet I've never fast-forwarded through it) and the el. piano comes in at an exact 'beat' in the music. Take the storm away and it's a completely different opening. It's not a 'sound effect' it's a very definite part of the music. That's not to say that a mere recording of a storm is music. It's how it's used.
Exactly as a guitar or drum is 'placed' in a piece of music too.

Do the 'bunch of people' you mention call or even consider themselves abstract? I'm sure they're only creating music like you or me.

And let's not get confused by the differences between new music and modern music.

[Jeemag_USA]

Does music have to have r'H'ythm or Melody?
Take, for example, the beginning of 'Riders on the Storm' by The Doors. The very introduction is a rain storm, played before the electric piano 'kicks in'. It certainly lasts for more than 3 seconds (and yet I've never fast-forwarded through it) and the el. piano comes in at an exact 'beat' in the music. Take the storm away and it's a completely different opening. It's not a 'sound effect' it's a very definite part of the music. That's not to say that a mere recording of a storm is music. It's how it's used.
Exactly as a guitar or drum is 'placed' in a piece of music too.

Do the 'bunch of people' you mention call or even consider themselves abstract? I'm sure they're only creating music like you or me.

And let's not get confused by the differences between new music and modern music.

I could give you a long and philosophical answer but I cannot take the time when someones first reaction is to do something trivial as correct peoples spelling mistakes when they know fine what the word was.

The storm intro in the doors song was clipped and timed to be a certain length, whilst recording Manzarek still would have had a count in (supplied by the bass and cymbals that came in before the piano, maybe its been a while since you listened to it) and the length of the storm "sound effect" clip would have been timed to fade out at a certain point so it was part of the 'arrangement'. Take the sound effect away and you have the same piece of music with no sound effect for an intro, the music comes in on the bass and cymbals (not the piano first) which is a perfectly adequate intro then the electric piano comes in. Put the sound effect back and you have the same song with a rainstorm before it. Using sound effects, film clips, dialogue etc is nothing new, its very old technique and was also done long before "Riders on The Storm"

It incorporates thunder and rain sound effects and Ray Manzarek's Fender Rhodes electric piano playing which emulates the sound of rain

The "bunch of people" are hypothetical so don't exist, so I don't think they would be able to call themselves anything?

[The Pepsi Challenge]

Does music have to have r'H'ythm or Melody?
Take, for example, the beginning of 'Riders on the Storm' by The Doors. The very introduction is a rain storm, played before the electric piano 'kicks in'. It certainly lasts for more than 3 seconds (and yet I've never fast-forwarded through it) and the el. piano comes in at an exact 'beat' in the music. Take the storm away and it's a completely different opening. It's not a 'sound effect' it's a very definite part of the music. That's not to say that a mere recording of a storm is music. It's how it's used.
Exactly as a guitar or drum is 'placed' in a piece of music too.

Do the 'bunch of people' you mention call or even consider themselves abstract? I'm sure they're only creating music like you or me.

And let's not get confused by the differences between new music and modern music.

In other news this week, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. It's touch and go at the moment, but all the King's horses and all the King's men are doing everything they can to put him back together again.

[Cazaa]

The storm intro in the doors song was clipped and timed to be a certain length

Thus making it music:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musique_acousmatique
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acousmatic_art

[Jeemag_USA]

Thus making it music:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musique_acousmatique
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acousmatic_art

Thus making it part of the arrangement, its an intro, music is played by musicians or created by composers, nobody wrote the thunder or the rain

[zenmaster]

Well I am of the school of thought that there is no such thing as new music, there are new methods of playing the same familiar stuff

I agree, so new music to me means newly released - so much of what I listen to was released ages ago. A guy I really enjoy at the moment is Jose Gonzalez - here's a clip from 'Later with Jools Holland'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpKx8Z76QdE

[The Pepsi Challenge]

New music, is, to me (in the rock music sense), young artists or bands starting out for the first time - and thinking what they're doing is innovative.

[roblovesplastic]

New music, is, to me (in the rock music sense), young artists or bands starting out for the first time - and thinking what they're doing is innovative.

New music, is, to me (in the rock music sense), young artists or bands starting out for the first time - and doing something innovative.

I can quite happily give examples of music realeased this week, thats what I meant by new music, wether the eagels or NYPC, stop ERROR!!!! and input

[Deemac]

New music, is, to me (in the rock music sense), young artists or bands starting out for the first time - and doing something innovative.

I can quite happily give examples of music realeased this week, thats what I meant by new music, wether the eagels or NYPC, stop ERROR!!!! and input

Rob,
I assume you also have a faulty spellchecker!!

[zenmaster]

young artists or bands starting out for the first time - and doing something innovative.

For me, The Smiths were a band who genuinely were.

[roblovesplastic]

For me, The Smiths were a band who genuinely were.

wooah thats actual helpfull positive mind expanding stuff

maybe i wont delete roblovesplastic, maybe u guys really do love music
oo
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[rob murray]

For me, The Smiths were a band who genuinely were.

Brilliant band, intelligent take on the world ( Morrisey ), uniquely presented single and album covers, with great bass player and drummer, topped of by a young Johnny Marrs guitar orchestra, surely the most innovative and imaginative guitarist of the 80's.

[Jeemag_USA]

The Smiths were great and unique in there own way because they are the rare type of band who's music at the time is going in a different direction than mainstream is, they were an indie band that had such a great sound they made themselves suceesful despite the fact most record companies may have thought thats not what selling right now. Their music was not new though, their indie guitar style can be seen right back as far as joy Division and even some pop acts like Ten Pole Tudor. Other acts at the same time like The Wedding Present and Half Man Half Biscuit were attempting the same kind of thing but it did not come off for them because they refused to move from their quirky indie style, wheras the Smiths as soon as they hit the right formula and got a hit single started to tailor the music to a more pop sound that had wider appeal. The vocals of Morrisey and they great lyrical content and song writing did set them apart form other bands at the same time, they were still influenced by other bands on the circuits and scenes before them.

Nobody mentioned "Art of Noise" yet I see or "Yello"

[zenmaster]

Brilliant band, intelligent take on the world ( Morrisey ), uniquely presented single and album covers, with great bass player and drummer, topped of by a young Johnny Marrs guitar orchestra, surely the most innovative and imaginative guitarist of the 80's.

Yep. I never followed Morrissey's solo career - the music was just not the same without that jangle guitar, but really enjoyed seeing him at the Edinburgh Corn Exchange on his "Quarry" tour. I wonder if he realised that the venue was an ex-slaughter house !!

This guy does a good job of Smiths bass and guitar covers,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FtKxmynpy4

[roblovesplastic]

yeah so, new order was mentioned and the smith
s, and they were music that changed my life, as well, and made me queer, as well.

Anyway sais: what do we think of newnewnewnew music

so:

I love:

Athlete
yeah I know they aint new but the NEW album is new and it chills my bones at track 6 then 7 warms them then reminds me of track 2.


rarrr

CSS - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cansei_de_Ser_Sexy

what can i say, they are red/crap/hot baby YEAH!

listen. learn.

ok sorry but when a young band strikes out over the internet and get as caught as a prize whale like the arctic monkeys. You have to take notice.

I think the best bands in any era adapt and kick ass at doing what anyone is doing at any given time. The monkeys did the stone roses 2nd album properly

[Aaldtimer]

In other news this week, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. It's touch and go at the moment, but all the King's horses and all the King's men are doing everything they can to put him back together again.

Humpty Dumpty was pushed!