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    From Guido Fawkes

    The first and currently only hospital patient to die with Omicron was unvaccinated, according to a close relative appearing on LBC this morning. Speaking to Nick Ferrari, the stepson of the man who died earlier this week claimed that he had been taken in by “conspiracy theories”, and refused to take the vaccine despite being in his early 70s:

    “He thought it was a conspiracy. He was an intelligent man but it’s all these different things you are getting from online and different media things… He wasn’t vaccinated at all.”

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    Did they show proof of the blood taken that was sent to the lab, tested and proven, that he actually had it? everything being labelled as cocid without actual blood drawn lab tested proof. vaxxed also still get flu.

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    Blood test for covid patients? I haven't been on Facebook lately....

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    My workmate
    who had the vaccine a couple of days then he felt ill before spewing up blood
    Was taken to hospital and was told it was a side effect of the vaccine
    kept in for a week and various tests done, on his heart and brain

    last day in hospital he was put into a ward with other people
    who were also in for side effects from the vaccine, everyone in that ward
    A couple of weeks after leaving hospital, he went to see his own GP regarding further tests to find out if there was any issues with his heart following this
    His GP checked his medical records, there was absolutely no mention of him ever having been in hospital
    Although it did say on his records he had COVID, which he never had as he was tested twice before being admitted and daily while in the hospital for 7 days. All came back negative
    His GP contacted the hospital to get this added to his medical records and months later it still has not been added

    This same guy actually went to get his second vaccine after this and was told he was not allowed it after he had told them what happened after he had the first vaccine

    This isn’t a Facebook story or conspiracy theory story
    It’s a guy I’ve known for years and worked with and know personally

    and he clearly isn’t a conspiracy theorist if he took the first vaccine and after what happened went to get the second

    Vaxxer now may have heart condition at 34 years old
    Last edited by auk; 19-Mar-22 at 19:34.

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    Dear Auk - this is a fascinating post, not because of the content, but because of its form.
    It is a classic example of an urban myth / conspiracy meme!

    Red flag number one is starting with "My workmate", or sister-in-law, or cousin's yoga teacher etc etc.
    You then introduce a nice dramatic note with "spewing up blood", but fail to give any useful medical detail on tests and results.
    Which ward, in what hospital?
    And you do feel the need to tell us that this is not a "conspiracy theory story! Actually, that is exactly what it is...
    The only substance of your tale is that someone was unwell, their medical notes were not immediately updated, and they were refused their 2nd jab because of a suspected previous reaction. Not exactly front page news.
    And calling people who accept vaccination "vaxxers" does not make 85% of the adult population a dodgy cult.

    Anyone who disregards the overwhelming global data on vaccine protection is misguided, to put it mildly!
    The skills we all need to process conflicting info, gossip, propaganda, and, above all, statistics, should be taught from an early age.



    Quote Originally Posted by auk View Post
    My workmate
    who had the vaccine a couple of days then he felt ill before spewing up blood
    Was taken to hospital and was told it was a side effect of the vaccine
    kept in for a week and various tests done, on his heart and brain

    last day in hospital he was put into a ward with other people
    who were also in for side effects from the vaccine, everyone in that ward
    A couple of weeks after leaving hospital, he went to see his own GP regarding further tests to find out if there was any issues with his heart following this
    His GP checked his medical records, there was absolutely no mention of him ever having been in hospital
    Although it did say on his records he had COVID, which he never had as he was tested twice before being admitted and daily while in the hospital for 7 days. All came back negative
    His GP contacted the hospital to get this added to his medical records and months later it still has not been added

    This same guy actually went to get his second vaccine after this and was told he was not allowed it after he had told them what happened after he had the first vaccine

    This isnít a Facebook story or conspiracy theory story
    Itís a guy Iíve known for years and worked with and know personally

    and he clearly isnít a conspiracy theorist if he took the first vaccine and after what happened went to get the second

    Vaxxer now may have heart condition at 34 years old

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    Dear Mackeral


    its fascinating how you don’t have the ability to believe a quite truthful story
    but can believe a post from some guy called Guido Fawkes from a website online


    I’m afraid this is not an urban myth or conspiracy theory
    Sorry to disappoint you on that point, as it doesn’t fit in with your viewpoint of how the world actually is


    I suppose you would like me to share my workmates name and address so you can contact him to confirm the validity of his story


    I will however tell you the name of the hospital, and where his GP is if that helps you
    Aberdeen Hospital and “My workmate” is from Middlesbrough which is where his GP is
    My workmate is hardly my friends cousins mothers sister type story
    Like I had said, I’ve known him for years and know him personally


    The news and papers must be the only one that can tell the truth and the rest of us must all be liars based on your comment
    Or have you contacted the site from the original post at the top so you can confirm if that story is true
    Or do you believe that one without question because it matches your beliefs


    If you think it’s okay for a previous healthy 34 year old person to now have a potentially serious heart condition that’s up to you.
    With regard what he was told by the hospital, he was told it was a side effect of the vaccine
    They carried out tests, and if you had read my post you would have noticed, NOTHING is recorded on his medical records
    He is to get further tests on his heart to find out if there is any permanent damage
    Maybe not headline news to you, but definitely is to his wife and kids. Seeing as he is only 34 years old


    You can find data from both sides of this argument online
    good and bad
    Hope you contacted them to confirm the validity of their information
    Or do you believe the newscaster who says boris’s, advisors, researchers, pharmaceutical specialist said so
    Any different than my friends mothers cousins sister ?


    hope you have a nice day ��

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    This is still nonsense, Auk, stamping your little foot because the grown-ups don't believe you doesn't convince anybody.

    Did Aberdeen Royal Infirmary really have a secret ward of victims of the Covid vaccine, and does the medical profession routinely cover up vaccine side-effects, while at the same time telling random workmates what they're doing? Even the P&J would have picked up on that one. Or is this just a bit of "no, it's real!" local window-dressing for the standard conspiracy-theory story?

    Who would you rather believe, the libertarian clowns, cranks, weirdos and con-men who've spent the last couple of years churning out unverifiable tripe and downright lies, or virtually the entire medical profession (ie, people who actually know what they're talking about)?

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    It’s now a polarised society, its what Westminster live for and been preaching for years. There’s good and bad stories in all things medical. The Them and Us brigades , one size of shoes won’t fit everyone . The Boris Fear Factory has infiltrated to every day thinking , it’s suits those at the top who use it as a way to control the masses. We don’t need a conflict With a foreign country , Boris has divide us and will continue to do so .

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    Stumpy

    I didn’t think I was stamping my foot
    I have shared a 100% true story of what happened
    The people who usually don’t believe this are the ones who try to shout others down and belittle them
    Maybe this makes them feel better

    like usual those people come out with the this is a conspiracy theory or urban myth
    Or make up things like a secret ward in Aberdeen royal infirmary
    that is not something I mentioned, that was you the adult, the one twisting the story to trivialise it. As it doesn’t suit your view.

    there was nothing secret about the ward, those in the ward were quite open with my workmate as to why they were there
    did I say random workmate ?
    no I never, I said someone I’ve know personally for years

    the P&J would have picked up on it ?
    why would they ?

    I would rather believe a friend I have know for years
    Than the news, the latest wheeled out expert I’ve never heard of before, or the government

    it never ceases to surprise me that the majority of people say they don’t trust politicians
    Yet in this instance trust them without question

    id say there has been clowns, cranks, weirdos and con-men of both side of this
    Amazing you only believe the people in the medical profession who agree with your viewpoint
    I’m sure it was in the news lately that the government had to back down on mandating vaccines to those in the medical profession as there was that many refusing to take it it would have created a staffing shortage in the NHS

    hope you have had a nice weekend

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    I'm prepared to believe that you work with someone who was unlucky enough to have an adverse reaction to a covid jab.
    From the vague clinical history you share, I would guess it was myocarditis. The rate for this condition, up to end of last year, was 11 cases per million.
    It typically affects people under 30 years of age. This has been widely publicised and discussed in the "mainstream" media.
    The reason I was moved to reply to your post was that it implied that our hospitals have special wards dedicated to managing a high number of these cases, on the quiet. This is nonsense, and adds to the stream of nonsense I have had to listen to over the past two years, undermining the effort to get as many people as possible vaccinated, so that we can get on with life and live in relative safety with a nasty virus.
    And if you choose to believe that your mate's medical record was not updated because of a government conspiracy to keep the truth hidden, then you don't know much about the efficiency of the NHS (or the abilities of government to keep secrets)! He was treated in Aberdeen, and his GP is in Middlesborough... go figure.
    I come to the org for a bit of local news and the occasional second-hand bargain. If I want anti-vax conspiracy I have Facebook and the Telegraph.

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