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    So, it appears a Brexit deal may shortly be announced. This agreement will have a profound effect upon all of us for many years to come.

    The deal will, of course, have to be ratified by the parties to it. In an EU context that means that each member state has to agree before the EU as a whole can sign off on the deal. In other words, each member state has a veto that could prevent ratification. In the UK, the Westminster parliament will be asked to provide the ratification. However, unlike the EU the member states of the UK will have no say. The deal will be ratified (and it will) by Westminster irrespective of the clearly expressed views of the people of Scotland.

    Scotland was prevented from having any say in the negotiations leading up to this deal and you can bet your bottom dollar that our voice will be ignored when it comes to ratification.

    And so, we find ourselves in the situation where Ireland, Finland, Malta, Croatia, Slovenia, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Cyprus, Czechia, Slovakia, Luxembourg and Denmark (all small countries similar, or smaller, in size to Scotland) will have a say in our future but we don't.

    We will be in a position where other countries' parliaments have our future in their hands. Politicians in Valetta, Riga, Dublin and Copenhagen have more power over our future than we do.

    It is time to take back control and, quite frankly, give ourselves some respect and dignity. Scotland needs to be independent so that Scots have the level of power over their own lives and destiny as everyone else, in the western world at least.

    In 2021 we may get the chance to do that. We have to take it.
    Last edited by Corky Smeek; 24-Dec-20 at 12:39. Reason: clarity

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    I understand your concerns......
    Firstly, you need ‘decent’ representation from your elected officials.....
    And Covid will not be over tomorrow, nor in the near future.
    Perhaps these issues should be taken into consideration, before rushing into ‘the unknown’!
    Just my observations as an ‘outsider’ Scot.

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    You are missing the point. No matter who Scotland elects they will ignored and marginalised by Westminster. We could elect 59 Nobel Laureates and it would no difference. That is why we need to take charge of our own destiny and not be content to leave it up to others to decide for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corky Smeek View Post
    You are missing the point. No matter who Scotland elects they will ignored and marginalised by Westminster. We could elect 59 Nobel Laureates and it would no difference. That is why we need to take charge of our own destiny and not be content to leave it up to others to decide for us.
    I get the point. I do somewhat agree you shud be in charge of your own Country, but ‘goodness’, your leadership cannot agree on anything, and to ‘The Lay Person’ Corruption abounds!
    The extent that the Court Case against Salmond was initiated and the results, show something seriously wrong! Am sure u must agree.
    And just now really is not the time to talk of Indyref2....Where people are dying from...Neglect! We have it also.
    Everyone should band together......it is an Obligation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horseman View Post
    I get the point. I do somewhat agree you shud be in charge of your own Country, but ‘goodness’, your leadership cannot agree on anything, and to ‘The Lay Person’ Corruption abounds!
    The extent that the Court Case against Salmond was initiated and the results, show something seriously wrong! Am sure u must agree.
    And just now really is not the time to talk of Indyref2....Where people are dying from...Neglect! We have it also.
    Everyone should band together......it is an Obligation!
    There is no question, Scotland should be a normal country. Just as Canada is no longer ruled by Westminster and would not consider being ruled by Washington. Scotland should be independent.
    The internal squabbles of the SNP administration are incidental to the current situation. Most of the people of Scotland can see through that. The SNP are not the be all and end all of independence, they are but a means to and end. Once independent we can choose a government of whatever shade we want.
    Now is precisely the time for independence. Boris Johnson and his right-wing cronies have done immense damage to the UK and we don’t want any part of it. His Internal Market Bill will undermine twenty years of devolved administration. The Bill, as it stands, means Westminster can attempt to force fracking in the central belt, sell of Scottish Water and privatise the Scottish NHS; all are anathema to the majority of the people of Scotland.
    The Covid pandemic didn’t stop Westminster pressing on with Brexit, which Scotland did not vote for. So, there is no reason to stop the drive for independence.
    Where was your sentiment, ‘Everyone should band together......it is an Obligation!’ at the beginning of the year when the devastation of Covid hit the UK and yet the Tory government insisted in pressing on with breaking away from our European neighbours?
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    The current squabbles.....Incidental? Hardly the word one should use!
    12(Twelve) serious charges thrown out of Court...Trivial!
    ...Come on.....you cannot hold a vote just now......In my opinion Brexit is a different Animal.

    And a small Highly Respected Country,..namely Scotland, where I came from, to be thrust into the International Headlines of Corruption is disgusting. They are still bickering...but ask yourself....E’ POLIS and The Judicial System had to have reasonable grounds to lay the Charges, and then they get Tossed! For want of a better word. Explain INCIDENTAL!
    Something very wrong. This does not occur in a Democratic Country.. perhaps China/Russia...The Un mannie?

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