Boris Johnson

[aqua]

Ok, I’ve watched the video. Pilger does indeed put some of the blame on Labour.

His criticism of the Imperial paper from last month is weak. The prediction of 250,000 deaths was in the ‘do nothing’ scenario, the prediction of 20,000 deaths was in the social distancing and/or lockdown scenario. I forget the details of the latter. Right now, the lower number looks overly optimistic, which is what I concluded at the time.

[Fulmar]

Boris has made a good start, saying rightly that he owes his life to the NHS and staff at St Thomas's and thanking them. To be expected, I know, so only time will tell how much of a change the experience has wrought in him.

[Oddquine]

Boris has made a good start, saying rightly that he owes his life to the NHS and staff at St Thomas's and thanking them. To be expected, I know, so only time will tell how much of a change the experience has wrought in him.

That wasn't a good start.....he hasn't had one of them at all yet, that was damage limitation...too little, too late. Weasel words don't provide ventilators, or PPE for NHS workers and others who require them because they can't closet themselves at home...or bring anyone who didn't NEED to die back to life

[Fulmar]

What would you rather then? That he went around saying that he had 'battled it' and got better because he is 'strong' or some such rubbish? I have not ever been a supporter of Boris or the Tories but am prepared to give him a chance to do better now, having been through what, for any and all of us, would be a a life changing experience. There was always gong to be a loss of life in this country (and sadly, half of those on ventilators have died), as there has been in Scotland too from Covid-19 as this has arisen out of the stupidity of the whole world and is not, actually, the sole fault of Boris and the Tories.

[aqua]

Agreed. Now let’s wait and see what Boris does differently from now on.

[Corky Smeek]

Agreed. Now let’s wait and see what Boris does differently from now on.

Nothing at all I suspect, except perhaps loads of promises and pledges that will go unfulfilled. Economics will always trump politics and the free market will dictate as it always does. All the proposed good deeds will disappear like snow off a dyke if it's going to cost money particularly with the economic impact of Covid19 still to be fully appreciated.

[Fulmar]

The shut down/collapse in the economy has, can and will cause deaths too.

[aqua]

Nothing at all I suspect, except perhaps loads of promises and pledges that will go unfulfilled. Economics will always trump politics and the free market will dictate as it always does. All the proposed good deeds will disappear like snow off a dyke if it's going to cost money particularly with the economic impact of Covid19 still to be fully appreciated.

I’d like to be a bit more optimistic, but you’re probably right...

[Oddquine]

What would you rather then? That he went around saying that he had 'battled it' and got better because he is 'strong' or some such rubbish? I have not ever been a supporter of Boris or the Tories but am prepared to give him a chance to do better now, having been through what, for any and all of us, would be a a life changing experience. There was always gong to be a loss of life in this country (and sadly, half of those on ventilators have died), as there has been in Scotland too from Covid-19 as this has arisen out of the stupidity of the whole world and is not, actually, the sole fault of Boris and the Tories.

HE doesn't need to say he "battled it" or "got better because he was strong", his Tory sycophants and the Boris fan-club in the country say it for him, ad nauseam.

He could apologise for the Tories ignoring the 2016 pandemic simulation report when they could have been gradually building up stocks of essential equipment (or giving the NHS enough money to do so)...and he could apologise for initially, and for too long, putting the health of the economy ahead of the health of the population.

I don't think Boris Johnson will change...I don't think he'll even get round to being up-front about the actual numbers of deaths outside hospitals in the UK due to coronavirus...far less do anything to get the likes of PPE for those at the coronavirus coal-face, be that current medical staff, carers, etc still expected to go to work, retired emercency service personnel returning to help at this time, or the volunteers who have registered to help. Heck, with people having to go out to work in essential services, and calling on volunteers to help,without providing adequate protection, he is still pursuing the original "herd immunity" plan, even if under another name.

I won't be holding my breath waiting for Boris to have a "road to damascus moment".

[dc1]

i did know there were so many experts on the org i am sure nicola will be calling you for advise soon.

[aqua]

Unfortunately, we are experts relative to most people who work in the media and in politics. How often have you seen the media and politicians announcing the bleeding obvious several weeks after we’ve come to the same conclusions here?

[Oddquine]

i did know there were so many experts on the org i am sure nicola will be calling you for advise soon.

You don't have to be an expert to recognise the difference between competence and incompetence. You don't have to be an expert to recognise the difference between a known and proven liar, who gets called a hero by his supporters because he managed to "beat" the coronavirus he caught because he didn't stick to his own rules, with the help of an ICU bed and a handy ventilator "in case" he needed one......and a real hero who worked in a hospital/care home/other essential services without any/adequate PPE, caught coronavirus and died.

Despite what the media and his supporters say, Boris didn't "take one for the team", unless they mean the team of brain-dead Tory sycophants...the ones who have genuinely taken it "for the team" of the general population are the dead doctors, nurses, care workers etc who are no longer with us to get clapped for at 8pm, or have chinese lanterns floated for them, because that is all they are worth to our society, it seems...they certainly don't appear to be worth infection prevention equipment or a decent pay.