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    Well, I know of people who have had CT scans at Caithness General- maybe the ones you are referring to were not urgent, I do not know, obviously.

  2. #402

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    These farcemask manufacturers seem to have a lot to answer for, especially in France, where they are mandatory in so many more places than in the UK. But despite the French dutifully wearing their face nappies, the rate of "cases" continues to rise;

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54137319

    Coronavirus: Cases in France leap past 10,000 a day

    Are Trading Standards aware of all these farcemasks that are being sold that appear to be not working properly? Is there any logical explanation as to why the rate of cases, and even the rise in cases seems to be unaffected by the introduction of rules mandating farcemask wearing? Why are the farcemasks not doing anything about the rate of deaths from "normal flu" and pneumonia, which are now running at 10 times the rate of deaths "with" Conoravirus?

    So many questions, so few answers.....
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    Story about treatment such as fillings aren't allowed to be done by dentists on the NHS, but are available at the same dentists if the patient goes as a private patient but at a much higher price, with affordability issues for less well off patients:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-fife-54178544

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    Jeremy Vine squirming quite badly there between 1230 and 1300 when so many of his callers were from Sweden telling him that its been largely business as usual there, no lockdown, no farcemasks, no social distancing, and they have a low pro rata there than the UK. Jeremy trying to hold up the other side of the argument, suggesting that Sweden has less people than the UK, that they "automatically social distance", etc, only for the British expats in Sweden to pull him up on it and tell him that's not the case. No wonder he was so pleased to get the Undertones on and the callers in Sweden off.....

    And the dentist story highlighted by ecb above. Just shows how much of a scam this all is. Orkney Islands Council have all but stopped providing services, blaming conoravirus.
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    So Wales introduces compulsory farcemask wearing in shops. Rather than the number of cases in Wales falling as a result, they go up.

    Does anyone know how that works?
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    Interesting...

    Quote Originally Posted by www.telegraph.co.uk
    Face masks may be inadvertently giving people Covid-19 immunity and making them get less sick from the virus, academics have suggested in one of the most respected medical journals in the world.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers
    Last edited by Alrock; 20-Sep-20 at 19:25.
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    Really good news!

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    Interesting article there Alrock. Just a shame it doesn't contain the text you have quoted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orkneycadian View Post
    Interesting article there Alrock. Just a shame it doesn't contain the text you have quoted.
    Sorry... Fixed post with correct link now.
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  10. #410

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    Quote Originally Posted by orkneycadian View Post
    Jeremy Vine squirming quite badly there between 1230 and 1300 when so many of his callers were from Sweden telling him that its been largely business as usual there, no lockdown, no farcemasks, no social distancing, and they have a low pro rata there than the UK. Jeremy trying to hold up the other side of the argument, suggesting that Sweden has less people than the UK, that they "automatically social distance", etc, only for the British expats in Sweden to pull him up on it and tell him that's not the case. No wonder he was so pleased to get the Undertones on and the callers in Sweden off.....

    And the dentist story highlighted by ecb above. Just shows how much of a scam this all is. Orkney Islands Council have all but stopped providing services, blaming conoravirus.
    What's your point? Take the foot completely off the break and end up like America?

    You suggest Sweden is some how not social distancing but haven't mentioned that the official guidelines is to social distance and that people were banned from going to care homes. Some numbers - total deaths:
    Sweden 5,865

    Norway 567

    Denmark 638
    Last edited by Neil Howie; 20-Sep-20 at 22:09. Reason: formatting

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    Some more numbers - From Worldometers.

    Sweden - Deaths per 1M population = 580
    UK - Deaths per 1M population = 615

    And

    Sweden = No lockdown, economically OK, schools and workplaces stayed open throughout, no looming unemployment crisis, no farcemasks, etc
    UK = Lockdowns galore, economically trashed, schools closed, businesses and jobs on the scrapheap, increasing use of farcemasks with no effect

    Jeremy Vine was trying to make the same point as Neil, but was getting corrected by callers from Sweden.

    "Ah but!" said Jeremy, "in Sweden they don't have folk going on the lash like in the UK and getting all cuddly at closing time!"
    "Wrong" said the Swedish callers, "Folk in Sweden like a bevvy as much as the Brits"

    "Ah but!" said Jeremy, "in Sweden they naturally social distance!"
    "Wrong", said the callers, "Swedes have not been doing any social distancing"

    Jeremy - "Er, I think I'll play some Undertones......"

    p.s. One of Jeremy's callers said that even the news in Sweden is now largely Conoravirus free and they are onto more pressing matters.
    Last edited by orkneycadian; 20-Sep-20 at 23:17.
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    Another interesting link there Alrock. Thank you for posting.

    The theory there seems to basically be herd (natural) immunity, with a suggestion that the viral load can be controlled by a farcemask. In order to get some of that viral load, to subsequently develop that herd (natural) immunity, the person needs some exposure to the virus. Sitting at home "shieklding" in a farcemask, or wearing a farcemask whilst the sole occupant of a car (there are plenty do it....) is not going to bring on that immunity unfortunately.

    In the earlier incarnation of this virus, it appeared that 85% of people who had it were not aware of it. Not sure what the current level of that is. So 85% of people could happily take a "full viral load", bearing in mind back then there were no lockdowns, social distancing, farcemasks etc, and not exhibit any symptoms. Those 85% don't / didn't need any throttling of their viral load to obtain immunity. In fact, for 85% of the population, viral load throttling may actually be what tips the balance towards failing to get enough virus for that immunity to develop.

    Again it seems to point to letting the healthy out, and shielding the vulnerable.

    My suggestion is therefore anyone who thinks that Conoravirus is a threat to them should stay out of the way in their houses, wrapped from head to toe in farcemask material, which they spray with 70% alcohol every hour. They should stay well away from their net curtains, which means no looking out the window to see what the healthy neighbours are up to. Alas, there will be no furlough payments this time, so they'll need to live off their savings. The rest of us will get on with life as normal, like the Swedes. When the shielders feel silly enough, they can emerge from their shielding, realising that they are the ones now that need the vaccines, not just for Conoravirus, but just about everything else as well due to their immune systems having given up and gone to sleep. The rest of us will be herd immune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orkneycadian View Post
    Some more numbers - From Worldometers.

    Sweden - Deaths per 1M population = 580
    UK - Deaths per 1M population = 615

    And

    Sweden = No lockdown, economically OK, schools and workplaces stayed open throughout, no looming unemployment crisis, no farcemasks, etc
    UK = Lockdowns galore, economically trashed, schools closed, businesses and jobs on the scrapheap, increasing use of farcemasks with no effect

    Jeremy Vine was trying to make the same point as Neil, but was getting corrected by callers from Sweden.

    "Ah but!" said Jeremy, "in Sweden they don't have folk going on the lash like in the UK and getting all cuddly at closing time!"
    "Wrong" said the Swedish callers, "Folk in Sweden like a bevvy as much as the Brits"

    "Ah but!" said Jeremy, "in Sweden they naturally social distance!"
    "Wrong", said the callers, "Swedes have not been doing any social distancing"

    Jeremy - "Er, I think I'll play some Undertones......"

    p.s. One of Jeremy's callers said that even the news in Sweden is now largely Conoravirus free and they are onto more pressing matters.



    Since I don't watch things like Jeremy Vine, I can't argue with your statement, But this article has a slightly different take on it.
    Last edited by Shabbychic; 21-Sep-20 at 12:25.

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