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Thread: Where have all the Westminater /unionist flag waves gone

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    Default Where have all the Westminater /unionist flag waves gone

    What's happened to the unionist and Westminster flag waves ,surely they ain't up for the new Red ,white and blue flag rollout . The new ones have logos such as Abuser, groomer, touch me up, Say nothing and keep your job,and "A nice place to warm my hands" they can now join the old set which had Molester, Thief, Conman( or women) lLiar, and of course Unionist. Sick one and all . I don't hear their supporters shouting now. Let's see how many will put their name to this one. . .

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    dozy can you please explain i cant understand one word your are saying . speaking in riddles or maybe i am dozy

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    Now the Westminster brainwashing is complete as their supporters have all gone " three monkeys" . It would be sad if they weren't so vile. Blind men Can't see ,Evil ones just don't want to .

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    Haven't you got another update for us yet? I am surprised.

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    still dont understand dozy stop talking in riddles and as we say up here spit out

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    More to the point - Whatever happened to Piratelassie? Famed for throwing some ill informed Scottish Nationalist propaganda into the ring, lighting the blue touchpaper, then clearing off without coming back to substantiate her claims?

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    Let's balance Dozy's original comment.

    SNP minister Jeane Freeman stands up in Holyrood and states
    “So, I can confirm to the chamber that in our assessment model there will be
    no contracting
    with the private sector.

    Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...stem-1-4431787

    She has now contracted the private sector to continue carrying out assesments where needed as she has realised the private sector are not doing a bad job and are actually offering good value for money! You couldn't make it up!! But her party supporters only heard the initial announcement as her U-turn never made the headlines

    Ps If you look at a globe, you will see we are a tiny little island and I believe we are better sticking together
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfellers View Post
    Let's balance Dozy's original comment.

    SNP minister Jeane Freeman stands up in Holyrood and states
    “So, I can confirm to the chamber that in our assessment model there will be
    no contracting
    with the private sector.

    Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...stem-1-4431787

    She has now contracted the private sector to continue carrying out assesments where needed as she has realised the private sector are not doing a bad job and are actually offering good value for money! You couldn't make it up!! But her party supporters only heard the initial announcement as her U-turn never made the headlines

    Ps If you look at a globe, you will see we are a tiny little island and I believe we are better sticking together
    That is not true. There is a commitment to never use private companies for the assessments. The approach taken by the Scottish Government remains the same - no u turn and no possibility of that happening. The legislation has only just been passed and no contracts for anything have been awarded.

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    Sorry Squidge....I think you have been mis-lead.

    Can you provide evidence to back up your claim?

    I am related to a PIP assessor in Inverness (employed by Independent Assessment Services...formerly ATOS) and contracts have been signed for several years, I suggest you search for PIP assessor jobs and you will find ATOS are still recruiting because they will continue to work for the Scottish govt.

    Or try writing to Jeane Freeman MSP and try to get a straight answer from her. She will not deny assesments will still be carried out by private companies unless someone really objects. If you live in Caithness and object to an assessor visiting you at home you will have to travel to an assessment centre in Inverness at your own expense, and as most claimants claim they never leave the home I'm not sure how they will manage that.

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    Ok, several points.

    Firstly there are indeed vacancies being advertised in Scotland - there are several. However these are for vacancies for the contract that is held by the DWP and not for the Scottish Government.

    Secondly, the contracts Independent Assessment Services have just now are with DWP, not with the Scottish Government

    Next, those contracts for assessment Staff will need to continue, the Scottish Government will not take responsibility for Disability Benefits until 2021. In addition, the Scottish Government is not taking responsibility for ESA. ESA will have a requirement for assessments to be carried out by the Assessment service as they are done now and that will continue.

    Next, the letter you have attached says categorically that face to face assessments will be reduced as the evidence will be gathered from health care professionals it goes on to state the occasions when a face to face assessment might be required. At the request of the individual - that might be the case where someone has not had a medical consultation or had appointments with a professional. It also might happen where medical evidence disagrees or where the person is not happy with the decision that has been made. These assessments will be carried out by independent assessors who are not employed directly by the Scottish Social Security Service.

    The letter also states that no one will ever be forced in the Scottish system to undergo an assessment with a private company.

    That is quite categorical and I’m unsure how you draw the conclusions you do from that letter. No assessments will be carried out by private companies.

    Finally the new Scottish Social Security System is already advertising for staff to deliver the service. It will be delivered locally and people from Caithness will have a service in Caithness. There are already posts being advertised for senior staff based throughout Scotland including the Highlands and Islands.

    The reasons why I know this is because I have been involved in the consultations and design of this new system since the Smith Commission began to consult on the devolution of powers in 2014. I was responsible for ensuring the Smith Commission took evidence from the voluntary sector in Inverness at the Highland Hospice. I have held a number of consultations on the new Social Security Service and fed back that information to the Scottish Government as part of my work for the third sector. I have attended a number of meetings with the Scottish Government and with Jeane Freeman herself. I have been involved in the experience panels where ordinary people are helping to shape the new system, sharing their experiences, helping to design the new service to put human rights at the heart of the new system and holding the Scottish Government to account for the work they are doing. I am also involved in scrutinising the legislation as part of some work I am doing for The Poverty Alliance and campaigning for changes and improvements.

    There are no contracts signed to provide assessments for the new Social Security Services and there are none being advertised on the contracts site.

    The commitment has been unequivocal - there will be no private companies involved in the assessment processes for the new Scottish Social Security Service.

    I hope that helps to put your mind at rest Goodfellers.

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    Interesting update. Maybe you can help with this question. This far north the health service struggle to recruit enough staff as it is. Where are the public service specialist healthcare workers needed to carry out assessments coming from?
    It appears the advisory body would like mental health specialist to assess mental health applicants who often have physical illnesses too so does that mean two specialists would be needed to assess properly?

    I doubt the local doctors will have time to carry out assessments or fill out lengthy forms.

    I haven't read anything about how the government propose to address the people who make false/exaggerated/fraudulent claims. All of us who live in this part of the world know it happens. As a tax payer I would like to know my tax money is going to someone who deserves help, not someone who thinks it's easier than working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfellers View Post
    All of us who live in this part of the world know it happens. As a tax payer I would like to know my tax money is going to someone who deserves help, not someone who thinks it's easier than working.
    And not just your bit of the world - The whole of the country. Way too many folk over here too who "simply can't undertake any kind of work, whatsoever, because of my condition" yet, manage a fairly busy life of socialising, hobbies and doing their own thing. I never understand why "their condition" means they cant use a computer in a work environment (even teleworking from home), but yet they can run blogs, websites and You Tube channels. They cannot work as a call centre operator (again teleworking as need be) due to their condition, but can maintain an extensive social network, both on and off the phone.

    In these days of flexi working, remote working and folk who are able to run a complete business from an ipad from their livingroom, I am not sure what kind of disability is so debilitating that even the most disadvantaged cannot find some way to make a contribution.

    Even if someone who says they cannot work because of their condition follows this up, objecting to my views, fair enough. But it proves they can use a computer / ipad / phone. Now, what would be to stop you using that ability in a form of employment?

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    What happened to the bit about the 200m walk?

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    I was giving too much information away and was asked to remove it, thought I had done it before anyone read it! Now had it pointed out that edit remains visable, so had to remove post. Blast have to be more careful next time
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    Quote Originally Posted by dozy View Post
    The new ones have logos such as Abuser, groomer, touch me up, Say nothing and keep your job,and "A nice place to warm my hands" they can now join the old set which had Molester, Thief, Conman( or women) lLiar, and of course Unionist. Sick one and all . I don't hear their supporters shouting now. Let's see how many will put their name to this one. . .
    If you change the word "Unionist" in the above post to "Seperatist", that rant sounds like it could be entirely aimed at an ex SNP first minister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orkneycadian View Post
    If you change the word "Unionist" in the above post to "Seperatist", that rant sounds like it could be entirely aimed at an ex SNP first minister.
    History would NOT side with you ,funny how the guilty alway try to turn themselves into victims . Never meet a Tory or unionist that was guilty of anything . Must be that Cotton Plantation Owners syndrome that see us all as protential cheap labour , slavery without the metal chains just financial ones . Unionism will never make things better for anyone but themselves . Time has come for a change and let us grow up unfettered . Being independent is not a bad thing it's just the change the brightest and forward thinking Scotland need . No more smelly , white ,pale and stale old unionist f--ts calling the tune when they have more than one foot in the grave .
    Move over you've had your go ,now just go . How do unionists square the circle ,it's ok for them to leave the EU for a brighter tomorrow ,but how dare the F---in scots, who do they think they are . Well Scotland in a country in its own right . Kneeing to a Westminster master says it all, it may be your unionist fantasy.
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    Do you remember that there was a Scottish independence referendum, dozy and what the clear result of that was? Fact is, 3 years ago, your fellow country people did not agree with your views.

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    And an awful lot still do not agree with his views!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfellers View Post
    And an awful lot still do not agree with his views!
    It's terrible when rich white Westminster men use FEAR and TREATS to get the votes from the old . They stated that OAPs would lose their pension , health service and the loss of the pound with affect savings if they voted YES. How we know it was ALL LIES ( that came from G Osborne ) What makes it worse is the unionist cheerleaders that supported the lies ,which go's to show how rotten that group is . What sort of low life would threaten OAPs and use FEAR to win . You can't get a lower snake than that . Maybe they should stand closer to the mirror next time to see what one of them looks like.

    when Scotland gets independence , will all the unionists leave and go where?
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